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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ It's not an "underage sex photo collection" either, so that too is a lie.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
^ It's not an "underage sex photo collection" either, so that too is a lie.
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Yes. I didn't intend my post to make it seem as if the 'underage sex photo collection' wasn't also a lie. Apologies if it came across that way. What I meant was rather than deeming it child porn, because it isn't, they labelled it something that sounds like child porn. Basically making the reader believe it's child porn without actually saying as such, if that makes sense.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's just getting harder and harder for a person to research and understand the real case. Especially if they take the web sites down. Most of these current journalists weren't even around or were kids back then so these lies have become truth to them. Lies going back to 93. That's a hell of a long time.
They seep into reputable mainstream, they seep into Wikipedia. People will just read it, believe it and not even realize they need to look elsewhere for truth. (And I've read that claim about someone talking to a Santa Barbara police officer for years now).


Eta: those photographs are creepy. I know they're supposed to be surreal art. They succeed.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Creepy to who?
 
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Bad7 said:
Yes. I didn't intend my post to make it seem as if the 'underage sex photo collection' wasn't also a lie. Apologies if it came across that way. What I meant was rather than deeming it child porn, because it isn't, they labelled it something that sounds like child porn. Basically making the reader believe it's child porn without actually saying as such, if that makes sense.
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That's how they get away with it. I've said it before and I will say it again, there is something very wrong with any person who twist art books in child porn
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The power of suggestion on the subconscious can be insidious.
I'm not surprised alot of the sites are disappearing. That leaves the "guilty" side with the only narrative out there.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
Oh I see there is a mention in the prosecution's document of a Precocet prescription they found, so Robson's lawyers are trying to turn that small bit into evidence of a sex addiction. I also see they underlined any doctor's name in the document, so it does look like they try to the drag the drug angle into it somehow. Just desperate, desperate stuff. LOL.
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Obviously it's more of an attempt to portray him as someone out of control, because Percocet would be terrible for anyone with a sex addiction:

https://www.drugs.com/answers/percocet-how-long-does-it-take-to-regain-your-sex-277137.html

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addict...boyfriend-is-addicted-to-percocet/show/764659

It literally gets in the way of sexual function.

Unless they're claiming that he was so addicted to sexually abusing kids he had to start taking drugs.

Is that what Robson's claim is gonna be...? That MJ's insomnia was caused by his addiction to sexually abusing Wade? (but never triggered by Safechuck, Spence, Omer Bhatti etc)

And though he was apparently now addicted to Percocet (which he wasn't), he was still capable of having a sex life with women.

An exhausting life he was leading.
 
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la_cienega said:
Obviously it's more of an attempt to portray him as someone out of control, because Percocet would be terrible for anyone with a sex addiction:

https://www.drugs.com/answers/percocet-how-long-does-it-take-to-regain-your-sex-277137.html

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Addict...boyfriend-is-addicted-to-percocet/show/764659

It literally gets in the way of sexual function.

Unless they're claiming that he was so addicted to sexually abusing kids he had to start taking drugs.

Is that what Robson's claim is gonna be...? That MJ's insomnia was caused by his addiction to sexually abusing Wade? (but never triggered by Safechuck, Spence, Omer Bhatti etc)

And though he was apparently now addicted to Percocet (which he wasn't), he was still capable of having a sex life with women.

An exhausting life he was leading.
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I wonder if the whole idea comes from that tabloid article that haters so love to flaunt (it's a fact Robson's lawyers read MJ facts, they referenced it in one of their motions). You know the one where someone claimed that Dr Farshchian prescribed some birth controll pill to MJ to help him reduce his sexual urges for young boys. It was a filthy tabloid article, but haters love to recite it. Also the drug mentioned in the article (Depo-Provera) was never ever found in MJ's possession. But I wonder if they took the idea from there that they should somehow connect drugs to it and that they should claim that he took some of these drugs to repress his sexual urges for young boys. Because I am sure that's what they are trying to allude to with this Precocet nonsense.

MJ had a history of taking painkillers and Precocet as a painkiller fits into that pattern, not into any pattern of sex drive repressants. But Precocet wasn't even his main choice for a painkiller, Demerol was.

And I see Zonen is doing his rounds now as well. He talked to the Daily Fail apparently providing them a narrative that haters like. It all does seem to be an orchestrated media blitz by the Robson camp. I guess they really want to force a settlement.
 
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A local tabloid here where I live has basically copied the article and now all the readers will just believe it. :(
 
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This is what I'm hating. Can't the Estate issue a statement to counter the original Radar article? I mean they can simply state that what Radar reported was nothing new and factored in the 2005 trial where Michael was proven innocent. It's not fair that Michael continues to get slandered. I feel so crappy right now.

ETA until now the Robson/Safechuck claims did not receive much mainstream media coverage. I hope the Radar article doesn't mean this story will become more mainstream causing more casual fans and laymen to believe Michael was guilty...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I wonder if the whole idea comes from that tabloid article that haters so love to flaunt (it's a fact Robson's lawyers read MJ facts, they referenced it in one of their motions). You know the one where someone claimed that Dr Farshchian prescribed some birth controll pill to MJ to help him reduce his sexual urges for young boys. It was a filthy tabloid article, but haters love to recite it. Also the drug mentioned in the article (Depo-Provera) was never ever found in MJ's possession. But I wonder if they took the idea from there that they should somehow connect drugs to it and that they should claim that he took some of these drugs to repress his sexual urges for young boys. Because I am sure that's what they are trying to allude to with this Precocet nonsense.

MJ had a history of taking painkillers and Precocet as a painkiller fits into that pattern, not into any pattern of sex drive repressants. But Precocet wasn't even his main choice for a painkiller, Demerol was.

And I see Zonen is doing his rounds now as well. He talked to the Daily Fail apparently providing them a narrative that haters like. It all does seem to be an orchestrated media blitz by the Robson camp. I guess they really want to force a settlement.
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Woah, do you recall what motion that was regarding MJFacts? I don't think I remember seeing that.
 
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Rhilo said:
Thanks. There hasn't been any recent activity on that Twitter account. I hope that email address still works. I will give it a try.
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They usually answer very quickly. Sometimes on the same day or next. I have emailed them few times.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ In that case, I urge every fan to write to them. They need to do something now.
 
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Bad7 said:
Woah, do you recall what motion that was regarding MJFacts? I don't think I remember seeing that.
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I don't remember exactly which doc it was. It was just a footnote reference to the court transcripts but they took them from a link to MJfacts.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

There hasn't been a thing in Robsons or Safechucks cases that hasn't been pulled from very old tabloid stories.

Idea: maybe somebody here with good writing skills can write a good, short and sweet rebuttal with a reference to a source (that doesn't look like a fan site). Then if we see this in a local paper we can copy and paste it in the comments.

I know when CNN rebutted the millions paid to 200 boys, I put their link every time I read a story about it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^Unfortunately, posting a rebuttal in the comments section of a negative article won't help much.
Especially if that article has 500 + comments and 95% of those comments are negative :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's something. I always think it's worth a shot. I was very outnumbered with the CNN thing. I'm always outnumbered on YouTube and yahoo news.

I don't stay and argue (try not to) but it's for the reader who knows nothing. They need to know there's another, true side.

And many times, that's all it takes for other to people to start backing me up.
 
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Rhilo said:
This is what I'm hating. Can't the Estate issue a statement to counter the original Radar article? I mean they can simply state that what Radar reported was nothing new and factored in the 2005 trial where Michael was proven innocent. It's not fair that Michael continues to get slandered. I feel so crappy right now.

ETA until now the Robson/Safechuck claims did not receive much mainstream media coverage. I hope the Radar article doesn't mean this story will become more mainstream causing more casual fans and laymen to believe Michael was guilty...
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dont hold your breath. Branca has never bothered before and never will.
 
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barbee0715 said:
It's something. I always think it's worth a shot. I was very outnumbered with the CNN thing. I'm always outnumbered on YouTube and yahoo news.

I don't stay and argue (try not to) but it's for the reader who knows nothing. They need to know there's another, true side.

And many times, that's all it takes for other to people to start backing me up.
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Well, maybe information from here can be used for such an article: http://michaeljacksonallegations.co...aterial-found-in-michael-jacksons-possession/

Of course, it needs to be a lot shorter for people to actually read it. I think what needs to be pointed out.

1) MJ's love for book and photography and that he had 10,000 books - to put all those books into a context of all the 10,000 other art books that he had and to show why MJ would have such books.
2) It has to be pointed out that all of the material that is now paraded around as some big bombshell evidence of guilt has been shown to the jury in 2005 and factored when they brought back the not guilty verdict.
3) None of this is illegal. They are readily available in any book store, library, Amazon etc. Several of them are in the library of congress. MJ has never been charged with the possesion of child porn. Showing some pics of the books to give an idea about what they are.
4) The prosecution never actually claimed what these articles are claiming. They never claimed it was child porn, child torture or animal abuse. If Zonen is claiming it now he needs to be called out on BS, because he damn well knows could could not claim that in a court and indeed he never did.
5) The actual porn is an entirely seperate issue, that the media deliberately mixes together with the art books. MJ's actual real pornography was legal heterosexual stuff. Whether someone likes it or not, it's nothing illegal, nor incriminating.
6) Say that prosecution documents are just that. One-sided and often biased against a defendant therefore the theories and wordings in a prosecution document cannot necessarily be taken as a fact. This prosecution was often contradicted even by their own witnesses in what they claimed in motions.

I cannot really write it now, I am busy with writing a similar article in my language (and my English is not good enough for it), but I can help with facts and fact checking if it helps someone who does it.
 
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I know someone who knows that fan. He reacted to this now.

Hi to everyone it may concern ! My name is shay and I'm a big Mj fan from Israel. I was lucky enough to travel around the world and meet Michael Jackson in person more than a dozen times during his lifetime . Almost every time we met him I gave him gifts , letters,murals,banne rs and things I knew that would put a smile on his face. It saddens me to think that a children's book I gave him in London in 2002,would make people think Michael was into children. I'd like to make it clear that that book contained only innocent pictures of children and babies.and from meeting the man personally he was pure and innocent and childlike. Only good vibes and energies he was giving towards everyone. We must keep his legacy alive and always make sure his name is clear of anything negative . Michael was pure love!! Love and peace to everyone, shay hazan ,Israel.
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^ I would have assumed English is your language by the way you write...
 
It's even in The Daily Beast now, which I usually read because I thought it was reliable. The article is truly infuriating.

[h=1]Report Alleges Michael Jackson Stockpiled Child Porn and Animal Torture Pictures[/h]A vast collection of sick and twisted material was discovered at the King of Pop’s Neverland ranch in 2003, a new report alleges. Why is it only being reported now?
There can’t be many people left—save the most devotion-blind fans—who believe Michael Jackson had entirely innocent relationships with all of the children with whom he shared his bed.


Although the Thriller singer is said to have paid as much as $200 million in hush money to multiple victims before his death in 2009, he was never convicted of child abuse. Many of his defenders simply prefer to focus on his musical achievements.


His trial, in 2005, found him not guilty on 14 counts of sexual abuse. But since that time, a steady stream of alleged victims has come forward.





But now, new allegations have emerged that investigators at the time of the trial discovered Jackson had stockpiled a vast collection of sexual imagery, including child pornography, scenes of animal torture, and S&M pictures, reportedly used as part of a twisted strategy to groom sexual molestation victims by desensitizing them.


The allegations are reported by Radar Online, which claims to have knowledge of police reports detailing the cache of horrific material, which it says was found after police raided the Neverland Ranch in 2003.

Jackson died in June 2009, after taking a lethal dose of sleeping medications administered by his personal physician.

Among the deeply disturbing materials seized at the time of the raid, according to Radar, were “notes, diaries, documents, photographs, audiotapes, and videotapes,” along with more than 80 video recordings and computer hard drives.

“The documents collected by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department paint a dark and frightening picture of Jackson,” an investigator in the case told Radar.

“The documents exposed Jackson as a manipulative, drug-and-sex-crazed predator who used blood, gore, sexually explicit images of animal sacrifice and perverse adult sex acts to bend children to his will,” said the source.


“He also had disgusting and downright shocking images of child torture, adult and child nudity, female bondage, and sadomasochism.”

Radar added that a private investigator who it said had “direct knowledge” of the raids said: “The detectives’ report cites Michael even used sexy photos of his own nephews, who were in the band 3T, in their underwear to excite young boys.”

Radar alleges that a sex book called Room to Play—which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck—was among items found.

Radar quotes an investigator who claims Jackson used the material to “desensitize” his victims as part of the grooming process.

Jackson was acquitted on 14 counts of child molestation and two counts of giving an intoxicant to a minor.

If the existence of this alleged cache of material can be proved, questions will inevitably be asked as to how it has remained hidden for over 10 years.

 
There can’t be many people left—save the most devotion-blind fans—who believe Michael Jackson had entirely innocent relationships with all of the children with whom he shared his bed.


Although the Thriller singer is said to have paid as much as $200 million in hush money to multiple victims before his death in 2009, he was never convicted of child abuse. Many of his defenders simply prefer to focus on his musical achievements.
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This is how it's going to be now, "everyone knows" Michael was guilty except those devotion-blind stans. We're the crazy ones for believing in his innocence even though to this day there hasn't been a shred of evidence against him :(
 
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Immediate LEGAL action must be taken by the Estate as he did before with the Daily Mirror, nothing else can stop this tabloid junk from spreading false rumours and innuendos about Michael . I wonder who on Earth feeds the beast anyway, especially now after 7 years ! We tried to contact them.
 
LindavG;4152780 said:
This is how it's going to be now, "everyone knows" Michael was guilty except those devotion-blind stans. We're the crazy ones for believing in his innocence even though to this day there hasn't been a shred of evidence against him :(
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It's truly a frustrating uphill battle to fight against so many lies. Now that Mirror lie about MJ paying $200 million hush money to multiple victims apparently became a part of public conscious so much so that it is referred to as a fact when it is nothing but a lie by a low-brow tabloid.

I really think the Estate should address these lies now. It can't go on like this. "A lie becomes the truth" now and no one in power does anything.

They are also claiming child porn was found. It never occurs to these dumb asses that if it had been the case then he would have charged with it.

They also act like this is some brand new evidence that just came to light when in fact ALL of this was presented at the trial and the jury came out with a "not guilty" verdict because it is not what the media claims now.

So this is what they made the "child torture" of.

Radar alleges that a sex book called Room to Play—which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck—was among items found.
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I guess the US' Library of Congress are also a bunch of perverts then because they too have the book.

I also wish Mez said something about this latest as the lawyer who defended him.

I am pretty sure that Robson's team is behind all this. Shame on them that they are fighting their case this way. Truly disgusting creatures.
 
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Daily beast have always hated mj. Didnt dimond do some articles for them along with that weirdo kosner. The only time the agenda will stop is maybe when all the journos who lived in mjs time are dead and you have new generations who dont care enough to be obsessed with him. End of the day nothing you can do about it. The media brainwashed many along time ago and the rest dont care either way.the internet over dramatises many things and makes us think its bigger than it is.all it shows is they have nothing never did never will.they are the sickos

Reminds me when they tried to say mj was a nazi sympathizer cause he had history books on the war and on the nazi party in his house

Mj was truely special to be lynched so far after he escaped this world.
 
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