Shana Mangatal is publishing a book on Michael's Birthday 2016

Both Shana and Grace are Obsessed with MJ....only to later turn on him. Let's walk down memory lane shall we? http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/07/grace-rwaramba-obsessed-with-michael-jackson/ :hysterical::crazy

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yes-but didn't someone say she was mad at Grace at the time? So that deposition made sense to me, if that was the case. I thought she also asked for Grace at the hospital after the suicide attempt.

Don't ask me why I remember it that way, but I think I read it on a forum-not a tabloid. This is around the time the kids and cousins were on twitter and people were reporting what they were posting.

Even if Paris was mad at Grace I think Paris did what she had to, she told the truth at the deposition!

As far as I remember Grace did visit Paris at the hospital, Prince said Paris was glad to see her but not that she asked to see her but IDK.
 
There are pictures from Paris with Grace about 1 year ago. They seemed happy together.
 
Both Shana and Grace are Obsessed with MJ....only to later turn on him. Let's walk down memory lane shall we?

MOST of the women in Michael's life back stabbed him in some way shape or form, and the closer they were to Michael the more backstabbing the assholes did. :/





Men back stabbed the hell out of Michael too, but this thread has mainly been a discussion about crazy ass Shana, and some of the women in Michael's life.
 
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Yup they become possessive and then become vindictive when they don't get their way.
 
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There are pictures from Paris with Grace about 1 year ago. They seemed happy together.

Why not? Someone doesn’t have to be perfect for you to care about her or him. Pictures or anything doesn’t mean that Paris lied about Grace…

It can mean that she knows it and ok with it.
 
Yup they become possessive and then become vindictive when they don't get their way.
To be honest, I have seen very few people around Michael that haven't seemed somewhat possessive: from the greats like Quincy and Berry all the way down to the nobodies like Shana and the umbrella holder.
Everybody is his best and only friend.

When did Grace push Shana as Michael's girlfriend? Had to be before my time online.
 
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Why not? Someone doesn’t have to be perfect for you to care about her or him. Pictures or anything doesn’t mean that Paris lied about Grace…

It can mean that she knows it and ok with it.

Did I say anything about lying? I only said obviously Paris wanted to see Grace and visited her. As far as I remember Paris tweeted the pictures with a big heart.
 
Did I say anything about lying? I only said obviously Paris wanted to see Grace and visited her. As far as I remember Paris tweeted the pictures with a big heart.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Your post about Paris being mad and this makes sense of what she said at deposition seemed to me that Paris did it on emotions. Sorry.
 
Another reminder to leave your reviews on Amazon.com if you haven't done so already. Shana needs to know how Michael's fans really feel about her book. She doesn't respect Michael or his fans with what she has written and how she's written it. That's really sad.
 
Grace even if a huge fan, is different than Shana... highly doubt (whatever the history of Grace and MJ) that Michael would trust Shana with his children to any extent. Grace was at the very least trusted on that level...

I mean Katie Holmes was a super fan of Tom Cruise and would say "I'm going to marry Tom Cruise one day" and she did...
 
Grace even if a huge fan, is different than Shana... highly doubt (whatever the history of Grace and MJ) that Michael would trust Shana with his children to any extent. Grace was at the very least trusted on that level...

I mean Katie Holmes was a super fan of Tom Cruise and would say "I'm going to marry Tom Cruise one day" and she did...
agree with you about Grace.
Marlons wife, Carol, was a fan and looked how that turned out. They're not all obsessive, possessive stalkers like Glen Close.
 
Just 11 days togo, still Shana'sbook should be interesting, hope someone ends up buying it and telling us what is in it. Still it's better than say, poor deluded Jason Pfeiffer (Sorry can't spell that name) who claimed him and Michael were a gay couple who kept secret. This guy was a chub, and he worked at Arnold Klein's clinic with Debbie Rowe. One of the troika of a certain group of individuals who preyed on Michael (Jason, Debbie and Marc Shaffer - the porno movie producer who breifly managed Michael in the 2000s - Rowe and Schaffer got married in 2014!), I can see why there was bad blood, these people just wanted money.
 
Huh?
The book isn't out yet?
The way we were all discussing it and as much info that has already been found out about it I thought she had changed the release date and the book was already out.
People are even reviewing it
I had no idea it wasn't out yet LOL.

It is out. It was released early. Guessing there were parts of it being shared online and Shana must have released it early fearing that her sales would be less if she didn't get it out sooner.
 
Just 11 days togo, still Shana'sbook should be interesting, hope someone ends up buying it and telling us what is in it. Still it's better than say, poor deluded Jason Pfeiffer (Sorry can't spell that name) who claimed him and Michael were a gay couple who kept secret. This guy was a chub, and he worked at Arnold Klein's clinic with Debbie Rowe. One of the troika of a certain group of individuals who preyed on Michael (Jason, Debbie and Marc Shaffer - the porno movie producer who breifly managed Michael in the 2000s - Rowe and Schaffer got married in 2014!), I can see why there was bad blood, these people just wanted money.
The "bad" reviews on Amazon are really well written. Hopefully people will think twice about buying this pathetic thing. The good reviews are hilarious. Sound like fanatics too.
Debbie and Marc Shaffel actually got married?? I thought they only got engaged when they were promoting that kid.
 
I'm usually pretty open to books written by people that knew Michael.. and right now there are 2 books that I am totally put off and WILL NOT read. Shana's and Murrays
 
I tell ya Karen Faye is giving the 411 on Shana and House on twitter. These ones got my attention;

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What most ppl do not understand, that those of us who had access to MJ were constantly offered vast (cont) <a href="https://t.co/GkjZfKGu56">https://t.co/GkjZfKGu56</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/766328184950300672">August 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/ResaHolloway">@ResaHolloway</a> This, obviously is what went on here...and is continuing. Men are vulnerable to conniving women. <a href="https://t.co/AKt1rKeGTg">pic.twitter.com/AKt1rKeGTg</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/766329689908453376">August 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart">@wingheart</a> I read House quit because he couldn't risk MJ overdosing &amp; dying in his watch from pills &amp; alcohol?</p>&mdash; Paula (@happygirlinla79) <a href="https://twitter.com/happygirlinla79/status/766455954925719552">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh GEEZ...not true. <a href="https://t.co/YZ8TeeTcXe">https://t.co/YZ8TeeTcXe</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/766465585731338240">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yeah...that stuff was going on also. &quot;House's&quot; ego became so inflated by his association (cont) <a href="https://t.co/9fQPk3Yl49">https://t.co/9fQPk3Yl49</a></p>&mdash; Karen Faye (@wingheart) <a href="https://twitter.com/wingheart/status/766337112362749952">August 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Looks like Shana is really upset with someone (maybe Karen????) for slander and lies on her "character," and yet as no problem lying and slandering MJ in her um book! :hysterical:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Legal action will be taken against anyone who continues to malign my character.An opinion is one thing,but lying is slander.</p>&mdash; Shana Mangatal (@ImShanaMangatal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImShanaMangatal/status/766445073563213824">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am truly appalled that a grown woman would resort to deceitful tactics to slander my name and assassinate my character. Pure EVIL</p>&mdash; Shana Mangatal (@ImShanaMangatal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImShanaMangatal/status/766443650448404480">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Miserable people will go to any lengths to make you as miserable as them. I am disgusted,but not surprised,at the slander&amp;lies being told.</p>&mdash; Shana Mangatal (@ImShanaMangatal) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImShanaMangatal/status/766431391739285504">August 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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^^ I believe in Karen, she&#8217;s a crazy woman herself, she will eventually tear Shana to pieces!

But IDK, they can just make their supporters fighting with each other and both of them will actually have what they need. A lot of attention.
 
In her book Shana claims House quit because he couldn't deal with MJ being a drug abuser. So once again throwing MJ under the bus by making up another story about him being "an out of control druggie" in order to hide the real reasons behind why certain people were fired.


Here is Shana's book:

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Article from 2010. And well noted that House was the source behind that horrible NY Post article about MJ's supposed "nazi obsession".


EXCLUSIVE: Michael Jackson Movie Supplier Claims Extortion

THECOUNT.COM "News You Can Count On!" - July 27, 2010
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</aside> It&#8217;s a fact, Michael Jackson paid huge sums of money to stock his vast movie collection with scores of Nazi themed flicks and the two people Jackson employed to find him those movies are speaking out for the first time.

We talked exclusively with Norman Scherer, who was Jackson&#8217;s personal movie dealer back in the 1990s. Scherer&#8217;s take on why Jackson ordered movies glorifying Hitler is vastly different than details given to the NY Post by Scott Shaffer, Jackson&#8217;s former personal assistant.

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</center>"I couldn&#8217;t believe just how turned around the story was in the press. Sites are saying that I said Michael was obsessed with Nazis&#8221; said Scherer, &#8220;He did get Nazi-based films from me, but I don&#8217;t think he watched them for twisted reasons, he was fascinated with the way the military moved, and they were research for his dancing.&#8221;


Scherer owned &#8220;Video Oyster&#8221; in the 1990s, a video vault of rare movies and TV shows from around the globe. His office, located on Wall Street, sold rare finds to college kids, Wall Street stock brokers and everyone in between including countless celebrities, like Richard Gere, Naomi Campbell, Keith Richards, Ted Turner and Barbara Streisand, to name a few.


Scott Shaffer heard about Scherer&#8217;s thriving video business through the grape vine of entertainers in NYC, and first called him in November of 1995. Shaffer told Scherer that he had a big client for him, and that customer was Michael Jackson. Shaffer sent over a list of movies and TV shows to Scherer, and he began providing Jackson with boxes and boxes of VHS movies. Sometimes Scherer would hand deliver the videos to the Four Seasons Hotel in NYC, where Jackson lived for many months.




BIG BUCKS FOR RARE MOVIES



Scherer&#8217;s first check from Jackson was for a cool $21,725.00, and it was drawn from the account of &#8220;Neverland Valley Ranch.&#8221; &#8220;The checks kept coming in and I kept shipping Jackson boxes of movies for months.&#8221; Scherer said. There was one list of what Michael wanted in the beginning, &#8220;Nazi-based movies&#8221;, &#8220;Disney movies&#8221;, &#8220;troubled male youth movies&#8221;, &#8220;Judy Garland movies&#8221; and &#8220;vintage TV game shows.&#8221; After a while, Scherer started to get the hang of picking movies that he knew Jackson would like.


Scherer recalls Shaffer telling him, &#8220;Michael likes you because you know what he likes &#8211; you think like him.&#8221; Because Scherer hand picked the films for Jackson, be began to get an intimate understanding of his viewing habits.


Nazi war stories were not the only thing Michael liked to watch, Scherer recounts, &#8220;He liked to buy old TV shows-old game shows, he liked old TV because it was easier times and less complicated. He bought Judy Garland movies because they make you smile&#8221; Scherer continued, &#8220;He liked the videos about young boys with troubled families-because he wanted to relate to what his youth was like-he found a connection in there.&#8221; In an effort to set the record straight, Scherer maintained, &#8220;Michael created his own world&#8230; I don&#8217;t think any of that was a sexual thing. He genuinely loved children and loved living vicariously through them. I mean he loved Peter Pan!&#8221;


Now here&#8217;s where the story took a bad turn that plays out more like a scene from the movie &#8220;Blow&#8221;, than a simple sales transaction. &#8220;I never met Michael, He didn&#8217;t want to ever come to my office because it smelled like pot, and Michael didn&#8217;t like pot.&#8221; Sherer admitting as to the reason he never actually met Jackson in person.


At one point Scherer was literally traveling around the U.S. to get films just for Michael, &#8220;70% of my business was from Michael.&#8221; said Scherer.


According to Scherer, Shaffer called him out of the blue in March of 96&#8242; and demanded to receve a 10% cash cut from of all future checks from MJJ Productions/Neverland Valley Ranch, and for all subsequent orders of videos. Scherer felt like he was being extorted, and he also thought that Jackson most likely did not know Shaffer was requesting a cut, but he knew he would lose the account if he did not agree. &#8220;Scott tried to extort me and he said he&#8217;d drop the account if I didn&#8217;t give him 10% cash from each order, and Michael obviously didn&#8217;t know about it.&#8221; Said Scherer. &#8220;So I told him to come in Video Oyster, and I would give him the money.&#8221; Then Scherer took matters in to his own hands, &#8220;Scott came in my office, and I told him, &#8216;Okay, you can only have the 10% if you dance like Michael&#8217;, and Scott started to dance &#8211; so I handed him the money.&#8221;


What Shaffer probably does not know is that Scherer video-taped the whole thing. Scherer admitted that the tape of Scott trying to dance like Michael was funny, however, he did not intend on releasing the 15-year-old tape of Shaffer dancing on command, deeming it &#8220;humiliating.&#8221; The business relationship between the two would never recover, &#8220;Soon after, I gathered up some movies I thought Michael would like, dropped them off at the Four Seasons concierge, and it was over.&#8221; Said Scherer.


The business relationship had ended, and they went their separate ways&#8230;15 years later, the two are reunited by this story&#8230;


The NY Post, who broke the story of Jackson&#8217;s so called &#8220;Nazi obsession&#8221; spoke with Scott Shaffer who stated, &#8220;the reason for ending business with Scherer was because his video prices became too high&#8221;, but Scherer insists they ended business because Shaffer &#8220;killed the vibe&#8221; after he tried to extort him.




Scherer has no regrets.



When asked, &#8220;What would you say to Shaffer if the two of you were to meet face to face?&#8221; Scherer said, &#8220;Thanks for the memories. Thanks for turning me on to a beautiful person [Michael]. I loved his work and I loved his mind. Some of the things he did may look bad, but they weren&#8217;t. Kids are fun, kids are better than people that MJ had a deal with. I appreciated meeting Scotty and doing business, and was able to interact with Michael through him. It was an amazing experience.&#8221;

Interview by Lisa Mason Lee

http://thecount.com/2010/07/27/exclusive-michael-jackson-movie-supplier-claims-extortion/
 
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Thanks, what a revolting pair they are. I thought House looked familiar.....so he was behind the nazi stuff? We shouldn't be surprised by their passive agressive attacks on MJ...and of course using the "drugs" or "kids" angle as a weapon. Or that there will be more wolves in sheep's clothing, that are still yet to be exposed.
 
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There is a documentary about the 1936 Berlin Olympics and because of Hitler the Olympic games took on a new standard. One of which was the lighting of the Olympic flame. This was what Michael incorporated within his entertainment of his Shows, the timing, the extravagance! It was why a documentary was made to show how Hitler changed the opening of the 1936 Berlin Olympics and it became the standard. When the runner lit the cauldron, he paused before he lit the flame. This caused such a sensation. It's why Michael would talk about sizzling (to be very exciting). Hitler was a master at this and why a documentary was made within the capacity of the showmanship that was Adolf Hitler. The Olympics adopted this format and it continues to today.





It is best to question everything and these posers who write these salacious books are always going to be exposed. But they don't care, they just want the money.

a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others. - Poser
 
CLAWS are out! lol

I still don't know what to make of her, it seems she wants her cake and eat it too and please Mj's fans and enemies alike to maximize profit,
but the bottom line is she still does not have any proof and she has not given a detailed timeline of what happened, where, how, when.
So whatever her motives are, and they seem to be all over the place, without the hard facts to back up her claims
she is useless.


This is hilarious:

skylady50 I agree with you completely Shana. If people want to just go by her all the time without giving anyone else a chance that is there loss. She could not possibly know all the things that Michael did during his private time. I think she just vwants to be the queen bee when it comes to MJ. Don't let her get you down it's not worth it ?

shanamangatal Thank you @skylady50 . She doesn't need to write a book, she tells all of his business on social media all day already. Or at least her version of his business ?? I wrote this book so that his fans and the public could know the Michael I knew- the human being. They should go hate on Conrad Murray, not someone who has written a positive book on MJ.

hendrixinspired @Shanamangatal Haha understandable. Well, due to my not being the kind of person to hate people I don't know, I just question what she says, not the kind of person go onto someone's page and bash. But she does seem unsettling to me.

skylady50 I think she wants to be the only person associated with MJ. Karen faye got to enjoy being around MJ for over 27 years. She does not need books to know the personal side to MJ but the fans do. She will never share her story with us fans. And that is her business but books help to get the truth out and clean up myths about things. So in that respect I think it's important that people share there stories. Especially about someone as famous as MJ. There was allot to MJ he was an amaziley talented man. Again as a fan I want to thank Shana for sharing her story ? people are spoiling it for themselves by not being more open minded. We will never know all the truth because we were not there. But it's healthy to be open minded and trust what has never been done before. Shana has always been sweet to me answering all of my messages etc. I do not know her personally but I think she has a good heart. And I do not believe her to be a liar.

shanamangatal @hendrixinspired If others did to her what she does to others, she wouldn't like it. However, none of us are hateful enough to sit on social media all day and tell her personal business. I worked for MJ's managers for 7 years through tours, videos, photo shoots, etc. so I know exactly what went on behind the scenes with her. It wasn't pretty. We had to approve her outrageous fees she charged MJ. I won't say any more because I will not stoop to her level.

hendrixinspired @Shanamangatal Ah OK, well she has a pretty strong hate from fans herself. She bashes others as having been "dismissed" from working for Michael but according to specific fans, she helped pull a scam of some sort with the fans that led to her being let go. I don't know about that, but I know some fans said they bought some stuff from MJJsource which she was in charge of controlling and didn't receive anything, as a result she blamed MJ. But they say, it was really her. That's all I know about that, since then she gets bashed quite strongly. I know some fans claim that she is manipulative with causing division in the fan base. But I am still researching that info. Sometimes fans exaggerate stuff. But she does seem to get into arguments with fans quite often.

shanamangatal I know @hendrixinspired ! Her story changes about me to fit her moods. In 2010 she had never heard of me at all and had never seen me before, when people asked about me. Then in 2014 she said all she knew was that I worked for his manager and on Ghosts and that's it. Now she has created a new version of her memory of me. There's something not right there and it shouldn't be allowed to continue. People's words can be hurtful. I even spoke nicely of her in my book! Her actions are simply that of an evil heart. Spread love not hate.

marikamedia It's not her place to talk about it period!

marikamedia Ohhhh this chick worked for him?

hendrixinspired @vbr70 Wait, that's inconsistent. Not long ago she said she never saw anything and then said "if there was..." along those lines, and then expressed disagreement with the book. I saw the twitter post myself. Now there's an issue of her saying there was nothing. It's quite clear she didn't know. If she is now saying that nothing happened, I don't trust it. Either you know or you don't know.

shanamangatal Thank you @vbr70 . Why does she sit on social media all day revealing her ex boss' personal business and trashing people? No professional person does that. No one. She should be happy that she was blessed to work with such an incredible artist and man instead of hating on others who received the same blessing.

shanamangatal Thank you @marikamedia . Definitely not worth spending any more energy on. And women are always the catty ones who will stab you in the back. Hard even having women friends. Too much pettiness and jealousy. I don't have time for the drama.

vbr70 KF is obsessed with mj.

vbr70 @Shanamangatal i believe you.

marikamedia Seriously, I worked for two women like this. Women... Is the operative word cause we should be sticking together not against each other like this. I am sorry she has slandered you and since I have no clue who she is, she must not have much clout.

shanamangatal @marikamedia one of the many evil and hateful people in this world. A woman in her 60's who spends all day bashing people and trying to defame their characters by making up lies. What a miserable way to live.

marikamedia Who TF is Karen Faye any dam way?

shanamangatal @vbr70 She's about to get sued for slander if she continues to make up lies about me. I was astonished by the stuff I've been told she said! What an evil person! How would she even know? She doesn't own Michael and was only with him in work situations, not in his private time. I was a part of Michael's management team for nearly 7 years and his friend until the end. The things she said don't even make sense. I can assure you she was not around 90% of the time I was with MJ and has no idea what went on. She shouldn't speak about things she doesn't know. For her to try to lessen my importance by belittling me is astonishing. How can she call herself a professional while behaving in this manner?
 
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