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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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Michael Jackson has been maliciously slandered and extorted for most of his life. We believe that the time has come to educate the masses on the lies and corruption surrounding the false allegations that Michael has endured. The documentary &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217; is not only an insult to legitimate abuse victims but to investigative journalism. Whilst it is not within our power to stop the film from being transmitted, we commit to fully and wholeheartedly defending Michael&#8217;s name.

This series will debunk the lies by Michael Jackson's accusers one by one.

Special thanks to: Hammertonhal on Twitter: https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal
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As Larry Stessel, Harvey Leeds, and others have attested here on FB, in our business dealings with Michael, which many times included interaction with children, we never saw anything to suggest these allegations. We are all family men and our children are central to our being. I shot a full day of documentary with 13 Make-A-Wish children and about 100 members of their families at Neverland. I only wish that people could see that day and how Michael embraced those families. He was eccentric and grew up in hotel rooms, with brothers and crew, all living uniquely as music people do. It’s not a normal life. As the point person on his marketing at Epic from ’90 through ’96, I was hypersensitive to the allegations then, and watched for any sign of truth to them. I never saw one. I remain open to reality, but I find this film lurid and an attack on his Estate from bad actors.
– Dan Beck
Ex-Sony Music Employee

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I worked for Michael Jackson for years..I used to be one of his best kept secrets..Thats what he called me..My favorite time was when he was in the the Middle East.I loved going there..He was so happy!.To heal from all the bullshit lies…Michael was around my son Nikko till he was older..My daughterr Sky would sing for him..a few times. He would give her great advice. HE NEVER DID NOTHING INAPPROPRIATE TO EITHER. .MY DAUGHTER GOT SICK HE PAID FOR HER SURGERY..Every year he threw Nikko a birthday party..Why Wade is lying like this Is horrible. MICHAEL WAS PROOVEN INNOCENCE…LET HIM RIP…
– Carol LaMere
Michael Jackson Hair stylist

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This bus thing is just not a good idea imo.
 
Lets recollect the very first info about Robsons allegations and info from the trial:


What the HELL is wrong with Wade Robson? The Events So Far……Part 1 of 4
MAY 8, 2013
https://michaeljacksonvindication2....e-hell-is-wrong-with-wade-robson-part-1-of-5/

You can read all 4 parts!

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April 8th, 2005 Trial Analysis: Adrian McManus (Cross Examination) and Phillip LeMarque (Direct & Cross Examination), Part 1 of 3

https://michaeljacksonvindication2....emarque-direct-cross-examination-part-1-of-3/
 
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I think some ways of advertising against HBO is actually advertising the show too much.. there are still millions of people.that are oblivious of the documentary and some of us are advertising it for HBO by screaming about it..

It only gets people that are unaware - curious.
 
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KOPV said:
I think some ways of advertising against HBO is actually advertising the show too much.. there are still millions of people.that are oblivious of the documentary and some of us are advertising it for HBO by screaming about it..

It only gets people that are unaware - curious.
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Yeah, I feel if anything these bus adverts will just make even more people aware of the documentary.
 
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Whats the point of the poster when it doesnt even give a link say to some of the you tube videos where people can find out the truth. Naming the docu on the poster is stupid aswell. All it will do is make ppl think whats that if they dont already know and arise intrest. And of course the figure. We are fighting a battle based on facts.dont use a lie as it will be thrown back in your face
 
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poster on the bus should have some kind of QR code with link to the some site or youtube video
 
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Yeah I also think the bus advert is a waste of time.
No one is going to change how they think by seeing a bus whizz past with MJ Innocent on it.

It might look good but doesn't really achieve anything imo.
 
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Silverstone said:
Yeah I also think the bus advert is a waste of time.
No one is going to change how they think by seeing a bus whizz past with MJ Innocent on it.

It might look good but doesn't really achieve anything imo.
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It is also a massive advertisement for the documentary.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">These are the pertinent parts of the letter that need to be spread! This is the section that exposes Wade &amp; James as fraudulent liars. <a href="https://t.co/a2sM5YqHC6">pic.twitter.com/a2sM5YqHC6</a></p>&mdash; GG (@rydetheboogie) <a href="https://twitter.com/rydetheboogie/status/1094052775284088832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Dont remember

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">2005 Document Explaining how Michael Jackson&#39;s Insurance Company Settled in 1993 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJIsInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJIsInnocent</a><a href="http://t.co/YFiguCzzSS">http://t.co/YFiguCzzSS</a> <a href="http://t.co/tfyKllieV4">pic.twitter.com/tfyKllieV4</a></p>&mdash; Blues Away (@SpeechlessMJJ16) <a href="https://twitter.com/SpeechlessMJJ16/status/609809022611529728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">13. júna 2015</a></blockquote>
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Thats was oxmans declaration. Which mez said was false.
 
Might be in the minority here but I like the bus advert idea (though understand the criticisms). I think it looks far better visually than a couple of mj fans with banners wondering the streets.
I hope it makes it to the papers- I’m wondering if there’s a way to alert the press to it
 
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Amaya said:
It seems like people were getting hostile in there, hence why. Also, the OP claimed that MJFacts wasn't working; apparently a lot of people visited that site and it crashed due to overload. Hmm...

As far as making a thread of our own, I don't have a Reddit account. I just like to read threads from different subreddits; this one just happened to pop up on Reddit's front page while I was scrolling through it (albeit briefly). I get the feeling many in that subreddit wouldn't listen anyway. I did see it getting discussed on the official MJ subreddit where it's being rightfully torn apart, so there's at least that.
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What do we know about that site? I mean, is this just some hater who believes he's guilty and does whatever he/she can to show it to people, not caring at all that he/she is giving complete lies and trash to pass as facts? What do we know about this rather sad individual?

john13th said:
Perhaps not the same age but I remember Jennifer Batten denied any inappropriate things between Michael and children like Brett Barnes and Sean Lennon when she was on his three world tours. As a response to Gene Simmons from KISS remarkable claims against Michael. She also was appalled over how her denials did not get as much news coverage as Simmons claims. This was around 2010 I think.
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I recall something about Gene and that he said something rather unfriendly about MJ. What exactly was his deal again?
 
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Gene likes to throw stones to hide his hands.

In theory the bus adverts are good. But it needs to be done for a reason. Ie in promo of a rebuttal doc. There needs to be links on the posters to info showing the liars for what they are. And they shouldnt be putting the name of the doc on the posters. Common sense you dont give them free publicity. You get people wondering what the poster is about and then going to the facts that you link to on the posters
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
What do we know about that site? I mean, is this just some hater who believes he's guilty and does whatever he/she can to show it to people, not caring at all that he/she is giving complete lies and trash to pass as facts? What do we know about this rather sad individual?
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I repeat:
The people behind MJvictims maybe MJFacts too with their supporters are "surviveors" of childabuse, portrays us often as "crazy fanatics" and see us and MJ as their enemys who wants protect a famous evil sexual predator.
They wanna take revange on MJ and us for what did happen to them in their childhood from other people!
For those people it seames mostly unbeliveble that someone who have the courage to come forward and says that he was sexually abused as a child lies!

It is really sad that many people like this can't see in MJ the great humantarian, a protector of children and childrenrights who wants the best for them and could never harm them cause MJ with his music is healing medicine for suffering people and a great inspiration to find your way in life.
 
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Hello everyone.. Just wanna introdouce myself real quick.

Im a longtime fan and member here. Ive been following everything mj related since 2001 been through the ups and downs over the years. I stopped posting after after mj passed, but mjjc has always been on my bookmark and ive been lurking basically everyday here.

Now 10 years after mj passed I cant believe we have to go through this again. Ive read a good portion of this thread and I have to admit and be honest with myself. At the moment things arent looking so good, but we have been through this before so I remain optimistic abouth the future.

As other have mentioned regarding the bus promo. I too wanna say that imo it's not a good idea. The thought is wonderful and the intention of course is good however from a marketing percpective you will only contribute to advertsing for the wrong people. The bus will have people talking, on the bus at the station etc. will be seen by alot of people who in their daily lives arent updated on things like we are. It would be great for a for "our" rebutal doc when/if it will be produced by Taj. I suggest people should save their money for that if it ever happens. And promote that one.

This fight has to be fought on the same battleground as the makers at the moment its online and I think alot of people are doing great work there. We should continue our work online.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
Gene likes to throw stones to hide his hands.

In theory the bus adverts are good. But it needs to be done for a reason. Ie in promo of a rebuttal doc. There needs to be links on the posters to info showing the liars for what they are. And they shouldnt be putting the name of the doc on the posters. Common sense you dont give them free publicity. You get people wondering what the poster is about and then going to the facts that you link to on the posters
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Exactly! Please, if you decide to do this poster on bus thing (which I think is a great ideea), do not mention the name of the so-called documentary. It will make people even more curious about it. Just write Innocent with some links to the real facts that disprove the cr*p of those two.
 
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I just read a post on Vindicating Michael they say that the co-founder of Sundance film festival a Sterling Van Wagenen admits to the police that he had molested a child in early 90s, but are they insane? These are the real abusers and they slander an innocent man and they&#8217;re suppose to be credible? Something&#8217;s going on but I don&#8217;t understand.
 
Silverstone;4240611 said:
Yeah I also think the bus advert is a waste of time.
No one is going to change how they think by seeing a bus whizz past with MJ Innocent on it.

It might look good but doesn't really achieve anything imo.
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Btw... there are legal copyright issues with using mj´s picture. This ad will never happen.
 
wait, what?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8220;<a href="https://twitter.com/KeyaMorgan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KeyaMorgan</a>: Most people don&#39;t know Michael Jackson was neighbors w Donald Trump &amp; played w his kids, my good buddy <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DonaldJTrumpJr</a>&#8221; TRUE!</p>&mdash; Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/345676920362512384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. júna 2013</a></blockquote>
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ILoveHIStory said:
Why would Oxman want to falsify such important legal papers?
It would have turned against MJ....
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No idea. I presumed, as you would that it was legit but it came out later it wasnt. I dont know how it came about. Oxman was known for been an idiot.prob only got given a job cause he worked for the jacksons. Mez fired him later. Just surprised me that mez signed off on it. Thats if he did see it. After all its a sworn statement
 
ILoveHIStory;4240632 said:
wait, what?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“<a href="https://twitter.com/KeyaMorgan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@KeyaMorgan</a>: Most people don&#39;t know Michael Jackson was neighbors w Donald Trump &amp; played w his kids, my good buddy <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DonaldJTrumpJr</a>” TRUE!</p>&mdash; Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/345676920362512384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. júna 2013</a></blockquote>
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Dont know whether to laugh or cry now &#128558;

Dont get twitter. Is keya saying don jr is her good buddy and played with mj
 
Very.b;4240630 said:
I just read a post on Vindicating Michael they say that the co-founder of Sundance film festival a Sterling Van Wagenen admits to the police that he had molested a child in early 90s, but are they insane? These are the real abusers and they slander an innocent man and they&#8217;re suppose to be credible? Something&#8217;s going on but I don&#8217;t understand.
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Its true and a str8 fact.

here is the tweet and the links to articles and court docs

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sk"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WAIT ..Wut ??? <a href="https://t.co/9851uakwOk">https://t.co/9851uakwOk</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Hammertonhal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Hammertonhal</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Happychick93?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Happychick93</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JuliaBerkowitz1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJDoggoneLover?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJDoggoneLover</a> Co-Founder of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Sundance?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Sundance</a> admits to &quot;Child molestation&quot; ??? <a href="https://t.co/IKIM7WxNmw">pic.twitter.com/IKIM7WxNmw</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1092677860773359616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. februára 2019</a></blockquote>
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
What do we know about that site? I mean, is this just some hater who believes he's guilty and does whatever he/she can to show it to people, not caring at all that he/she is giving complete lies and trash to pass as facts? What do we know about this rather sad individual?
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I did bring myself to look at their profile, and their only post/comments are the original thread and all the responses they made within it. That kind of stuck out to me. They also mention "MJ haters", as though they were separate from that crowd, and that they felt bad for Michael's kids being harassed, no doubt to look like the better, "reasonable" person.

Looking through that thread again (though I really shouldn't), and using Removeddit (site that let's you see deleted reddit posts...yes, including the original post), I saw at least one reasonable post defending Michael that was removed by a mod. So that's lovely.

I'd rather not go after this person anymore than others might have, though; spamming his PM's with stuff would just make things worse, I think, and just give them and the others justification to say "I was right about the fans!", etc.

As far as Gene Simmons, he's one of those "he paid them off, that means he's guilty!1!!" types. I get the feeling he's felt that way for a long time (the KISS vs. MJ sketch from MadTV is a good indicator).
 
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