Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[MJJ2theMAX]

This reaction isn’t nearly as bad as I expected.

A lot of non fans are sceptical (at least) and calling out BS (at best).

Many people also saying doc is boring and this is all pointless anyway as we’ll never know now we should focus on active criminals

And this response is after a two week mass media propaganda campaign that’s been telling us all there’s “unequivocal” proof.

Amazing!

Let’s get ready for Round 2.
Well done #MJFam- so so proud seeing all the twitter, Facebook and YouTube comments - often so intelligent and measured and sensible

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Okay. I am going to state now the most problematic part of this story. its not good, not good at all.

Its the fact that Wade & Safechuck claims all their lies were made because they loved Michael and wanted to protect him. Thats their explanation for all that happened after the abuse. And the film SELLS THAT EXTREMELY WELL. The entire 2nd half of the film is explaining that theory and its also the theory Dan Reed is going to details about in interviews etc.

So basicly what it comes down to is the following, did Robson & Safechuck copy the "man & boy love" stories från Victor Gutierrez FANTASY book "Michael Jackson Was my lover"? The book that were made based on Jordan Chandlers diarys THAT DID NOT EXIST.

Or are Robson and Safechuck telling the truth? Thats really what it comes down to. Because its very hard to attack Wade & Safechuck for all their lies, if they indeed lied to protect Michael.

Just watch the following clip and understand its not going to be an easy sell to doubters, its a very complex story which most people wont bother to study at all. But its very important for any Jackson fans to watch this video and be aware of the story!

I am convinced its all a hoax, but from the comments I can see people are falling for it and they cant be convinced to change their minds because the narrative of the boys being in love is so strong. (its an excellent video btw)

[video=youtube;qb5UVMwTC5g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb5UVMwTC5g&[/video]

Yeah, you do make a lot of sense with your post. It's quite smart of these three men to play it like this. For us trying our best to defend Michael it's gonna be more difficult because when we say "they constantly defended MJ" the doubters will say it's because they were in love with MJ and did it to protect him. The man/boy love thing, basically NAMBLA. So they claim they enjoyed these sexual encounters with him but only at a much later age realized it was abuse. That's how they're playing it?

BUT, here's the thing. That clip of where he's at Jimmy Kimmel. He fully defended MJ there too, and he easily was in his twenties there. Which brings me to this, do they cover that at all? Do they cover at all that even at 20 years of age he didn't realize it was abuse? Not to mention the ridiculous timeline. Only after he was denied the Circque role he turned around completely and all of a sudden he realized it.

That's what I will tell these doubters next time.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Judging from the reviews on various film websites the race has been run. I'd say most of them are supportive of Robson and Safechuck. The only ones that aren't are clearly coming from fans. I personally won't see it as it will air the 4 hours straight in one go which is is exhaustive and repetitive. I'll have better things to do than waste my time from 8.30 till 12.30...
Let's see how European viewers rate the film...

I don't really understand the protect Michael narrative that is present in the film. Why would they want to protect Michael when they knew they were being abused? I'm curious about that angle as that is the part that most reviewers refer to as the part where they believed Robson and Safechuck. Why is that part so convincing?

That's the whole thing. They claim they didn't know it was abuse. Only until years later, long after his death. When Wade didn't get the Cirque du Soleil, he tried to publish a tell all book because all of a sudden he realized he was abused. His memory had evolved to a new stage (hahahaha haha oh man) and he took Jimmy along for the ride basically.

 

[Lightbringer]

Obviously we can't read the text. Why just 2 weeks ?

They want to see the reaction when the movie airs in Norway the 8th march. If there is a public outrage, they might have to permanently ban Michaels music.

 

[L.T.D]

Does anyone else feel like this was bigger before it actually aired? It shows on my Twitter and Instagram because its recommended based on things I've looked up, but I get this feeling I wouldn't be seeing much about it if I wasnt going out of my way to look for it.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't really understand the protect Michael narrative that is present in the film. Why would they want to protect Michael when they knew they were being abused? I'm curious about that angle as that is the part that most reviewers refer to as the part where they believed Robson and Safechuck. Why is that part so convincing?

Because THEY ARE NOT CLAIMING THEY WERE FELT THEY WERE BEING ABUSED. They claim they had a LOVING FULLFILLING RELATIONSHIP as between adults. They claim the sex was pleasent, soft and Michael always asked for permission before he put his penis in their mouths etc, or before giving them a blowjob etc. You know, they claim for them Michael was ther FIRST love you know, so it was very special for them. And the sex was amazing as it were the magic first experience etc.

And they were so in love with Michael they did whatever that was necessary to protect him at all costs all these years. They did not want to put MJ in prison because they loved him so much. And then they had their realization that they were abused in 2012 for Robson, they claim they realized then that the LOVE STORY they had with Michael was wrong and abuse even though they loved him and enjoyed spending time with him and having sex with him etc.

Thats the narrative that they are pushing, its the explanation for all the lying, they were just kids desperately in love with Michael, so they protected him through thick and thin. And when Michael moved on to other boys they were heartbroken, but they still loved him and did not want to put him in jail.

They are going to have an expert on Oprah that confirms this is a common scenario, both the fact that they had a crush on Michael and also that they did not come to terms with the fact that the relationship was abuse until years after.
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Its all very convincing, and if you are not a fan, or EVEN A FAN with little knowledge, you will be disgusted. I have seen a few fans turn on Michael already and they have not seen part 2 which is key to sealing the deal and explain the reason for lying in court etc.

 

[Gwyneira]

This is excellent - this guy should do an interview for Taj's docu (sorry if it's already been posted) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDa27x6mTWs (Meserau's PI Scott Ross)

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Because THEY ARE NOT CLAIMING THEY WERE ABUSED. They claim they had a LOVING FULLFILLING RELATIONSHIP as between adults. They claim the sex was pleasent, soft and Michael always asked for permission before he put his penis in their mouths etc.

And they were so in love with Michael they did whatever that was necessary to protect him at all costs all these years. They did not want to put MJ in prison because they loved him so much. And then they had their realization that they were abused in 2012 for Robson, they claim they realized then that the LOVE STORY they had with Michael was wrong and abuse even though they loved him and enjoyed spending time with him and having sex with him etc.

Thats the narrative that they are pushing, its the explanation for all the lying, they were just kids desperately in love with Michael, so they protected him through thick and thin. And when Michael moved on to other boys they were heartbroken, but they still loved him and did not want to put him in jail.

They are going to have an expert on Oprah that confirms this is a common scenario, both the fact that they had a crush on Michael and also that they did not come to terms with the fact that the relationship was abuse until years after.

I don't think it can be denied that this is bad. Not because I believe these pieces of thrash for even a millisecond but because it's hard to proof this is false. Personally I find it extremely unlikely that a very young boy would enjoy to perform oral sex, without going into any details that can't be pleasant , but it seems they are totally building this shit around Victor's book, unbelievable. It's not going to be easy to discredit that.

Other than that Wade is known to be a serial liar and "master of deception" and his timing being extremely Shady and questionable. He was ok with it all until he didn't get what he wanted, all of a sudden he realized he had been sexually abused? Come on now.

But yeah, combined with that expert at Oprah, it's gonna be very challenging to discredit that. How can we prove it? Only people that were also around at that time can discredit that completely. **** man.

 

[Lightbringer]

I don't think it can be denied that this is bad. Not because I believe these pieces of thrash for even a millisecond but because it's hard to proof this is false. Personally I find it extremely unlikely that a very young boy would enjoy to perform oral sex, without going into any details that can't be pleasant , but it seems they are totally building this shit around Victor's book, unbelievable. It's not going to be easy to discredit that.

Other than that Wade is known to be a serial liar and "master of deception" and his timing being extremely Shady and questionable. He was ok with it all until he didn't get what he wanted, all of a sudden he realized he had been sexually abused? Come on now.

I cried when I saw the video, Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist. Because of how tragic the whole story is, all the nasty twists that has led up to this current scenario which is almost impossible to get out of. Its incredible sad.

And I feel helpless when I can not argue for Michaels innocence with the usual argumentation, because now with this whole new scenario suddenly it does not work.

When we have people who do not know Michael and hear of all these sleepovers with boys, and boys with him on tour etc. They think he looks weird, he speaks weird, he has a relationship with boys no one else haves on the planet pretty much. They are being conned with MJ grooming and buying gifts and even houses to familys. And that he created Neverland to lure innocent boys for his taking!

And then they hear 70 minutes of MAN / BOY SEX. People are just human, they buy into it. Its propaganda, and its all very well calculated and scripted.

And then the 2nd part of the movie, they explain why they lied in court in detail. How horrible sad they were when MJ moved on to other boys etc. They are really selling it. And after that we have Oprah doing her show with an expert to seal the deal. Real victims in the audience, an expert confirms everything that was in the movie is nothing strange in cases of this sexual abuse.

After being brainwashed for 5 hours, I assume most viewers will believe it, why would the not? IT ALL MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, finally the truth about that ***** *****, the ALWAYS KNEW were a monster!

Dan Reed spent almost 2 years editing the film and preparing everything to perfection. He has been spinning this narrative in the press, and he is pretty good at it, I must admit although I can not stand him.

After all of this, whats going to get a genereal non MJ fan to watch Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist to be able to understand the truth?

And even if they watch it? Why would they believe it? Its such a bizarre and compex story, why would they not believe its made up by Jackson fans? Who media portays as lunatics and pedo defenders etc?

Most people have no idea what NAMBLA is even, its not easy for anyone to understand that shit. EVERYTHING points to MJ being guilty - except the truth of course, but to the get to the truth, you have to study ALOT and thats not going to happen unfortunately.

 

[MJJ2theMAX]

Probably a silly question but is there a way to get Michael Jackson news Alerts on Facebook. If you’re one of the first to comment on a story you are able to shape the narrative of the comments and your comment stays near the top. Often, by the time I see these Facebook stories, they’ve been out a few hours and people have lost interest already and no one sees my comment because it’s at the bottom of a long list

 

[Lovepeace1]

Taj needs witnesses in his documentary who were around with MJ Wade and James and can discredit their storys!

even having witnesses in the same moments it is very difficult for this to prove that nothing happened, because assuming that the same day they were together wade, brandi and other children and nothing happened there are other days or moments in which safechuck or wade were alone with michael, and there "supposedly could happen." Obviously no abuser will touch a child when there are more people around, if there are people, everything will be normal and he will wait to be alone another day or another week to do it. so to say that one day was robson with mac and nothing happened does not mean that another day has not happened. that's how the people will see it

 

[La74]

I cried when I saw the video, Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist. Because of how tragic the whole story is, all the nasty twists that has led up to this current scenario which is almost impossible to get out of. Its incredible sad.

And I feel helpless when I can not argue for Michaels innocence with the usual argumentation, because now with this whole new scenario suddenly it does not work.

When we have people who do not know Michael and hear of all these sleepovers with boys, and boys with him on tour etc. They think he looks weird, he speaks weird, he has a relationship with boys no one else haves on the planet pretty much. They are being conned with MJ grooming and buying gifts and even houses to familys. And that he created Neverland to lure innocent boys for his taking!

And then they hear 70 minutes of MAN / BOY SEX. People are just human, they buy into it. Its propaganda, and its all very well calculated and scripted.

Dan Reed spent almost 2 years editing the film and preparing everything to perfection. He has been spinning this narrative in the press, and he is pretty good at it, I must admit although I can not stand him.

We will have to think about what is best to be done. But remember Wade was dating Brandi during that time and she said he constantly cheated on her. Once with Britney Spears. And Taj a real victim of child abuse himself knows how his uncle tried to warn his mother. Also I have read many real victims who don’t beleive it and feel really offended by this.

 

[L.T.D]

I'm watching it now, I can see why so many people are shocked when Safechucks mother laughed during a serious part where he is talking about being abused. I wasnt even expecting it and it shocked me.

After watching it I can definitely say it's a case of it not being believable at all if you go into it already knowing their backgrounds. The timing of the pictures they show is what I think makes it believable to people, like hes talking about it and then they show a picture of Michael in bed.

 

[La74]

I is so disgusting though selling it as a lovestory.

 

[Lightbringer]

We will have to think about what is best to be done. But remember Wade was dating Brandi during that time and she said he constantly cheated on her. Once with Britney Spears. And Taj a real victim of child abuse himself knows how his uncle tried to warn his mother. Also I have read many real victims who don’t beleive it and feel really offended by this.

Wade cheated on Brandi with Britney in 2000 or 2001. Wade was abused between 1990 and 1997, so that part is not valid. It might show Wade is not very honest, but does not rule out any abuse. Obviously Taj and Brandi needs to get DATES clearly set if they are going to use that argument, they cant just be vague about it.

 

[Lovepeace1]

Yeah, you do make a lot of sense with your post. It's quite smart of these three men to play it like this. For us trying our best to defend Michael it's gonna be more difficult because when we say "they constantly defended MJ" the doubters will say it's because they were in love with MJ and did it to protect him. The man/boy love thing, basically NAMBLA. So they claim they enjoyed these sexual encounters with him but only at a much later age realized it was abuse. That's how they're playing it?

BUT, here's the thing. That clip of where he's at Jimmy Kimmel. He fully defended MJ there too, and he easily was in his twenties there. Which brings me to this, do they cover that at all? Do they cover at all that even at 20 years of age he didn't realize it was abuse? Not to mention the ridiculous timeline. Only after he was denied the Circque role he turned around completely and all of a sudden he realized it.

That's what I will tell these doubters next time.

Yes, this has already been explained several times, it is not that at 20 he did not realize it was abuse, if he knew it was something that was not right, but supposedly hidden because he was not prepared to tell anyone and for protect michael because michael still meant a lot to him.
they say was not a forced abuse (although obviously if "supposedly it was the case" if it would be forced by the age difference and by the mental manipulation of the children) but they say that they lived it as something normalized because
they were "in love" with the personality, the charisma and the light of michael and allowed and consented to everything because they thought it was not so bad because for them michael was a good person, it was his friend and mentor and treated them well so they did not see the evil until they were adults, and then they still loved Michael and did not want to harm him and they were not prepared for it either. this is what they tell.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Because THEY ARE NOT CLAIMING THEY WERE FELT THEY WERE BEING ABUSED. They claim they had a LOVING FULLFILLING RELATIONSHIP as between adults. They claim the sex was pleasent, soft and Michael always asked for permission before he put his penis in their mouths etc, or before giving them a blowjob etc. You know, they claim for them Michael was ther FIRST love you know, so it was very special for them. And the sex was amazing as it were the magic first experience etc.

And they were so in love with Michael they did whatever that was necessary to protect him at all costs all these years. They did not want to put MJ in prison because they loved him so much. And then they had their realization that they were abused in 2012 for Robson, they claim they realized then that the LOVE STORY they had with Michael was wrong and abuse even though they loved him and enjoyed spending time with him and having sex with him etc.

Thats the narrative that they are pushing, its the explanation for all the lying, they were just kids desperately in love with Michael, so they protected him through thick and thin. And when Michael moved on to other boys they were heartbroken, but they still loved him and did not want to put him in jail.

They are going to have an expert on Oprah that confirms this is a common scenario, both the fact that they had a crush on Michael and also that they did not come to terms with the fact that the relationship was abuse until years after.
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Its all very convincing, and if you are not a fan, or EVEN A FAN with little knowledge, you will be disgusted. I have seen a few fans turn on Michael already and they have not seen part 2 which is key to sealing the deal and explain the reason for lying in court etc.

?? sorry but i dont know of your trying to be sarcastic or what. . A 30 year old man doesnt know what sexual abuse is. Did he not have sex education at school. Didnt realise what it was when zonen was grilling him on the stand asking him alsorts of lurid questions as he did in 05 .thought it was normal so i guess didnt understand why mj had been put on trial then if it was all about love. Only realised it wasnt love when he didnt get the job for cirque. Wow what a coincedence. The ilogicalness (is that a word) of this would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic oh and he doesnt even claim to be gay or bi so how come he was still in love with mj upto 2011.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

I cried when I saw the video, Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist. Because of how tragic the whole story is, all the nasty twists that has led up to this current scenario which is almost impossible to get out of. Its incredible sad.

And I feel helpless when I can not argue for Michaels innocence with the usual argumentation, because now with this whole new scenario suddenly it does not work.

When we have people who do not know Michael and hear of all these sleepovers with boys, and boys with him on tour etc. They think he looks weird, he speaks weird, he has a relationship with boys no one else haves on the planet pretty much. They are being conned with MJ grooming and buying gifts and even houses to familys. And that he created Neverland to lure innocent boys for his taking!

And then they hear 70 minutes of MAN / BOY SEX. People are just human, they buy into it. Its propaganda, and its all very well calculated and scripted.

And then the 2nd part of the movie, they explain why they lied in court in detail. How horrible sad they were when MJ moved on to other boys etc. They are really selling it. And after that we have Oprah doing her show with an expert to seal the deal. Real victims in the audience, an expert confirms everything that was in the movie is nothing strange in cases of this sexual abuse.

After being brainwashed for 5 hours, I assume most viewers will believe it, why would the not? IT ALL MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, finally the truth about that ***** *****, the ALWAYS KNEW were a monster!

Dan Reed spent almost 2 years editing the film and preparing everything to perfection. He has been spinning this narrative in the press, and he is pretty good at it, I must admit although I can not stand him.

After all of this, whats going to get a genereal non MJ fan to watch Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist to be avle to understand the truth?

And even if they watch it? Why would they believe it? Its such a bizarre and compex story, why would they not believe its made up by Jackson fans? Who media portays as lunatics and pedo defenders etc?

Most people have no idea what NAMBLA is even, its not easy for anyone to understand that shit. EVERYTHING points to MJ being guilty - except the truth of course, but the get to the truth, you have to study ALOT and thats not going to happen unfortunately.

You seem to be trying to hard

 

[marc_vivien]

[FONT=&quot]“For Wade, the court case was about getting his story out there and I think he also felt: ‘Here is an organisation, the [/FONT]Michael Jackson[FONT=&quot] Estate, for which Jackson made a huge amount of money and all the people involved in this business looked the other way while I was being raped, and that’s not right,’” says Reed. “But the Jackson camp’s response to the film has come out of their 1993 playbook: attack the victim. And I don’t think that’s going to play well in 2019.” Judging from the largely positive reaction to the film so far, he’s right.

[/FONT]https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/mar/04/the-michael-jackson-accusers-the-abuse-didnt-feel-strange-because-he-was-like-a-god?CMP=share_btn_tw





so he's playing the MeToo Card

 

[wednesday]

The German Tagesschau's Marcus Schuler says "The film is neither lurid nor stagy." Yeah, right!

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

I cried when I saw the video, Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist. Because of how tragic the whole story is, all the nasty twists that has led up to this current scenario which is almost impossible to get out of. Its incredible sad.

And I feel helpless when I can not argue for Michaels innocence with the usual argumentation, because now with this whole new scenario suddenly it does not work.

When we have people who do not know Michael and hear of all these sleepovers with boys, and boys with him on tour etc. They think he looks weird, he speaks weird, he has a relationship with boys no one else haves on the planet pretty much. They are being conned with MJ grooming and buying gifts and even houses to familys. And that he created Neverland to lure innocent boys for his taking!

And then they hear 70 minutes of MAN / BOY SEX. People are just human, they buy into it. Its propaganda, and its all very well calculated and scripted.

And then the 2nd part of the movie, they explain why they lied in court in detail. How horrible sad they were when MJ moved on to other boys etc. They are really selling it. And after that we have Oprah doing her show with an expert to seal the deal. Real victims in the audience, an expert confirms everything that was in the movie is nothing strange in cases of this sexual abuse.

After being brainwashed for 5 hours, I assume most viewers will believe it, why would the not? IT ALL MAKES SENSE FOR THEM, finally the truth about that ***** *****, the ALWAYS KNEW were a monster!

Dan Reed spent almost 2 years editing the film and preparing everything to perfection. He has been spinning this narrative in the press, and he is pretty good at it, I must admit although I can not stand him.

After all of this, whats going to get a genereal non MJ fan to watch Leaving Neverland : Echoes of a Pedophilia Apologist to be avle to understand the truth?

And even if they watch it? Why would they believe it? Its such a bizarre and compex story, why would they not believe its made up by Jackson fans? Who media portays as lunatics and pedo defenders etc?

Most people have no idea what NAMBLA is even, its not easy for anyone to understand that shit. EVERYTHING points to MJ being guilty - except the truth of course, but the get to the truth, you have to study ALOT and thats not going to happen unfortunately.

Goddamn, I don't think any of us here thought they would be throwing this narrative. It's definitely something they have been thinking about carefully and planned things that way too. It's clear Dan Reed knew what the fans/supporters would be coming with to throw against them.

It's like Reed caught wind of Wade trying to publish a book, and then he came with the idea to build a documentary around Victor's book because just saying you're abused by MJ wasn't gonna cut it anynore, and while I can't prove it it would not surprise me if Reed had been in contact with Victor, hell maybe both are actually into that NAMBLA stuff.

One thing though, if MJ really was into this man/boy stuff, fully knowing what he's doing to a child who has barely experienced life yet (just think of that alone, no way Michael was capable of it) you would think they would have found actual child pornographic material during the raid? Or at least some magazines or material that depicts naked men? Of course they wouldn't cover any such thing in this.

At the moment I just feel stunned. Hell I was so happy to hear about the mixed reactions, that's always better than the majority being positive reactions in favor of the liars. But I'm gonna have to think and "restrategize" for when I jump onto social media again. Haters and doubters will now have enough to counter it.

 

[ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona]

even having witnesses in the same moments it is very difficult for this to prove that nothing happened, because assuming that the same day they were together wade, brandi and other children and nothing happened there are other days or moments in which safechuck or wade were alone with michael, and there "supposedly could happen." Obviously no abuser will touch a child when there are more people around, if there are people, everything will be normal and he will wait to be alone another day or another week to do it. so to say that one day was robson with mac and nothing happened does not mean that another day has not happened. that's how the people will see it

But Wade said:
"Everytime when we were together, it happened.
There were NO night that went by, when I was with him that he don't sexual abused me."
So when there were witnesses which spend the night with him and Michael and can say that nothing happend between Wade and MJ this is exposed as a lie and it make Wades story less credible.

Did Wade tell a different story in the documentary?

I watched Wades first interview 10 min. ago form 2013.
There Wade didn't say that he was or is in love with MJ and wanted to protect him.
Did he say these things in his lawsuits?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

For Wade, the court case was about getting his story out there .

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No it wasnt because he filed the lawsuit under seal hoping for a quick settlement so no one would know about it.

There was nothing to stop him doing an interview or releasing a statement but then that wouldnt involve getting millions would it. To imply the only way to put the info oit here was cia a lawsuitcthat he had sealed so know one would know about it is laughable at beat and pathetic at worse but of course the co conspirators the media wont question that

 

[wednesday]

Think about it! Dan Reed's "Leaving Neverland" is basically peddling the narrative that child sexual abuse victims enjoyed their abuse! My head is exploding. As Martin Luther King, Jr. used to say "The arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice..." I pray that this is true.

 

[Andymachine]

Goddamn, I don't think any of us here thought they would be throwing this narrative. It's definitely something they have been thinking about carefully and planned things that way too. It's clear Dan Reed knew what the fans/supporters would be coming with to throw against them.

It's like Reed caught wind of Wade trying to publish a book, and then he came with the idea to build a documentary around Victor's book because just saying you're abused by MJ wasn't gonna cut it anynore, and while I can't prove it it would not surprise me if Reed had been in contact with Victor, hell maybe both are actually into that NAMBLA stuff.

One thing though, if MJ really was into this man/boy stuff, fully knowing what he's doing to a child who has barely experienced life yet (just think of that alone, no way Michael was capable of it) you would think they would have found actual child pornographic material during the raid? Or at least some magazines or material that depicts naked men? Of course they wouldn't cover any such thing in this.

At the moment I just feel stunned. Hell I was so happy to hear about the mixed reactions, that's always better than the majority being positive reactions in favor of the liars. But I'm gonna have to think and "restrategize" for when I jump onto social media again. Haters and doubters will now have enough to counter it.

And it is exactly this narrative which will now put people on the "fence" about Jordy Chandler , believe Chandler i mean. This was how they were going to take that to trial if it had gotten that far.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

?? sorry but i dont know of your trying to be sarcastic or what. . A 30 year old man doesnt know what sexual abuse is. Did he not have sex education at school. Didnt realise what it was when zonen was grilling him on the stand asking him alsorts of lurid questions as he did in 05 .thought it was normal so i guess didnt understand why mj had been put on trial then if it was all about love. Only realised it wasnt love when he didnt get the job for cirque. Wow what a coincedence. The ilogicalness (is that a word) of this would be funny if it wasnt so pathetic oh and he doesnt even claim to be gay or bi so how come he was still in love with mj upto 2011.

Very good points there. And we all agree on that, we as fans know that he testified under oath that nothing ever happened. Didn't he even laugh it off at the trial during the cross examination? How old was he in 2005? It comes down to that he expects people to believe that he STILL saw it as love and normal and was protecting MJ there because he didn't want him to end in prison. He was an adult during the 2005 trial, right? So he wants us to believe he thought it was NORMAL and actual love and a relationship between him and MJ, that includes him having to perform oral sex, spreading his buttcheeks and so on. A adult that still then believes that was normal, he was merely protecting Michael.

But then he has a child of his own, he doesn't get the Cirque part (and God forbid when Wade doesn't get what he wants) he then starts to realize it was abuse because his memory evolved and then tries the book etc. The big problem is, many of the people watching that don't know about all that, they likely didn't go into this shitshow knowing about that complete 360 Wade did. I do think it's not impossible for us to discredit things but it's gonna be more challenging now.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Think about it! Dan Reed's "Leaving Neverland" is basically peddling the narrative that child sexual abuse victims enjoyed their abuse! My head is exploding. As Martin Luther King, Jr. used to say "The arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice..." I pray that this is true.

I'm right with you on that. I can't imagine any young child having those kinds of feelings and truly enjoying certain horrible things you can't possibly feel pleasant about having to do. I certainly have never heard of such cases.

But I do have to admit that I can't be sitting here and saying for sure a boy can't have such feelings. Personally it's new for me, but maybe there have been instances where this has been the case? I have no words for how far they are taking this. I agree with people here who've said before that Reed may need to be investigated.

In fact they all need to be investigated. The mothers of these two liars as well because Wade's mom can be decredited for damn sure. ****ing hell man, had the good man still been alive he'd fight this. No correction, Wade would still be trying to work with him or at least praise him to the high heavens in interviews. This shitshow would not have existed.

 

[La74]

Think about it! Dan Reed's "Leaving Neverland" is basically peddling the narrative that child sexual abuse victims enjoyed their abuse! My head is exploding. As Martin Luther King, Jr. used to say "The arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice..." I pray that this is true.

Like I said I have read reactions from several real victims on twitter who feel really offended. And Oprah promoting it and Weinstein has what 80 accusers?

 

[La74]

I'm right with you on that. I can't imagine any young child having those kinds of feelings and truly enjoying certain horrible things you can't possibly feel pleasant about having to do. I certainly have never heard of such cases.

But I do have to admit that I can't be sitting here and saying for sure a boy can't have such feelings. Personally it's new for me, but maybe there have been instances where this has been the case? I have no words for how far they are taking this. I agree with people here who've said before that Reed may need to be investigated.

I think he is a pedophile. It really sounds like it.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Nambla. Hes throwing stones to hide his hands.