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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
My Youtube account is deactivated since yesterday and i'm still very sad about it.Did you get an info why your accound is deactivated? They only send me the user rules.Have you made many comments under cbs videos loke me?They have delated MJ defending comments and maybe have announced the users to youtube.
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I've commented a lot on many videos.. CBS included! This new youtube page I made was only open for like 30 hours.. I want my real one back and there is an appeal form. I've looked at youtube vids on how to retrieve the URL but it is a different view than I have so IDK what to do..Anyone?? This is BULL
 
KOPV said:
GUYS, for the second time this week I have had suspended youtube accounts while sharing info on MJ!! My real youtube page got suspended, I tried to appeal it and cannot find how to get to my youtube URL which is needed for the appeal so I made another.. and THAT got suspended too.. WTF!
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have you uploaded a video?
i have uploaded some videos yesterday. my channel is still there. But i havent comment the last days.
 
KOPV said:
I've commented a lot on many videos.. CBS included! This new youtube page I made was only open for like 30 hours.. I want my real one back and there is an appeal form. I've looked at youtube vids on how to retrieve the URL but it is a different view than I have so IDK what to do..Anyone?? This is BULL
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Hm maybe they know your IP and blocked your IP?
 
Haters are reporting Mj defenders, that is a new strategy, because MJ defenders have very weak attitude towards haters, instread of reporting them, most defenders are commenting more than ever, so instead, report every single hater, the more reports the better!!!

do not let harrass you

My comments some reported as spam, so I reposted it, Mj defenders are not as argressive as the haters, they are and report anything pro Jackson
 
I decided to check out Dan Reed's Twitter, you never know who you maybe could convince. Of course tons of praise. One person said she'd never think a documentary could ever change her mind, she had heard it all before, but Dan Reed just did that. Another one said she just can't listen to his music anymore. I did present these people with Thomson's article though. You never know.
 
mjchris said:
have you uploaded a video?
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I have not uploaded any recent videos on youtube, only commented on others and occasionally share links to a couple short MJ vids in defense. Both times, no warning just logged me out and could not get in.. IDK if it's the volume of posts or what?? and of course there is NO tech support over the phone for youtube.. and what I find online points me to the appeal form, this form cannot be submitted without your youtube URL, which they state if you try to delete your youtube page, the URL can be found before confirming but it does not for me... Guys, look at your youtube URL, is there a specific way it is written so I could guess mine correctly? like www.youtube.com/name or something like that? Im trying to crack the code if possible
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4246809 said:
If anyone was still not sure if Louis Theroux was a piece of shit...

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If you can’t see that Michael Jackson was a paedophile after watching @danreed1000 ‘s film you are being wilfully blind. And if you are campaigning against it you are actively colluding in the silencing of victims.

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I presented him with the Thomson article, but I bet he just ignores it.
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Dear Louis, that's if you believe everything they say and take it at face value.
How about when Louis is dead, people who he has been in contact with or close to do a film making similar allegations about him. I guess we will have to believe that too or we will be being wilfully blind.
 
KOPV said:
I have not uploaded any recent videos on youtube, only commented on others and occasionally share links to a couple short MJ vids in defense. Both times, no warning just logged me out and could not get in.. IDK if it's the volume of posts or what?? and of course there is NO tech support over the phone for youtube.. and what I find online points me to the appeal form, this form cannot be submitted without your youtube URL, which they state if you try to delete your youtube page, the URL can be found before confirming but it does not for me... Guys, look at your youtube URL, is there a specific way it is written so I could guess mine correctly? like www.youtube.com/name or something like that? Im trying to crack the code if possible
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Are you seeing any of your old comments on videos (without being logged in)? Try searching for the comments you have posted and then click on your username to take you to the channel. That should show you the url (I think you should do that from a web browser and not from the app though)
 
Louis is looking to make his own dan reed type docu he has to push the lie inorder for his work to garner intrest. Its all about money and ratings. Pathetic excuse for a human
 
The MJ FB page just posted a new story about how MJ had to do anything to save a child. It's a great post. Sadly hater comments too. I did post Thomson's article there, because it's just very strong. I tried to post the same thing in reply to haters but I got a warning from FB that this was spam, lol.
 
Let's get rid of the rule of law, and courts and stuff. Who needs trials, ey. Everyone just record yourself making accusations, then leave it to online lynch mobs. Great idea. Oh and don't forget, leave it until they're dead so they can't do anything about false claims. Bingo!
 
he also wore the red jacket a year later...

On March 5, 1989, he invites 200 disadvantaged children from "Saint Vincent’s Home for Dysfunctional Children" and "Big Brothers and Big Sisters Programs" to visit the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara, California, with him, after which he welcomes them to his newly constructed mansion at the time, Neverland, showing them around, as well as introducing them to his private zoological garden.

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but of course the photo with the safechucks was not taken there.

other source says March 13 1989...
https://www.shutterstock.com/de/video/clip-4563287-santa-barbara---march-13-1989-michael
 
1nn5 said:
if you post the same comment in a short time on different pages, it's a spam.
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Sadly I did do that. :(

I saw these incredibly hateful comments and decided to copy and paste my one message to that person as well. I can't comment at all now. How do u get this fixed? I told FB about it, but their message is they may reply to me if they need more or something.

It was in the same MJ post though. But as a reply to that guy.
 
Erandi said:
Are you seeing any of your old comments on videos (without being logged in)? Try searching for the comments you have posted and then click on your username to take you to the channel. That should show you the url (I think you should do that from a web browser and not from the app though)
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Its not possible to find your comments. When you are deactivated ALL your comments are deactivated too.
Very great for the haters.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I decided to check out Dan Reed's Twitter, you never know who you maybe could convince. Of course tons of praise. One person said she'd never think a documentary could ever change her mind, she had heard it all before, but Dan Reed just did that. Another one said she just can't listen to his music anymore. I did present these people with Thomson's article though. You never know.
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people minds change like underwear. All this kind of stuff was said before in 2005 and 1993. The goal now is to keep exposing these liars.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Sadly I did do that. :(

I saw these incredibly hateful comments and decided to copy and paste my one message to that person as well. I can't comment at all now. How do u get this fixed? I told FB about it, but their message is they may reply to me if they need more or something.

It was in the same MJ post though. But as a reply to that guy.
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I think we will waste our time to comment on Dan Reeds or Wade and James accounts. They hate us and will delate us maybe sue us.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Sadly I did do that. :(

I saw these incredibly hateful comments and decided to copy and paste my one message to that person as well. I can't comment at all now. How do u get this fixed? I told FB about it, but their message is they may reply to me if they need more or something.

It was in the same MJ post though. But as a reply to that guy.
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You have to switch up the messages a bit. I have a text document, with pre-written messages for different arguments etc. In 2005 I had like 25 different messages that covered pretty much whatever argument that could up. So just copy and paste solved most debates.

You cant comment at all? Not anywhere? Thats odd, I thought you were supposed to get a warning first.
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When the LN trailer came out I spent 8 hours straight at HBO and Channel 4 facebook, and after 8 hours non-stop posting to almost every negative comment I got a warning. I did not use the same message all the time of course though.
 
Motive for safechuck.


MJJJusticeProject
@MJJJusticePrjct
"Why would these men make up a lie about #MichaelJackson "?
 
Maybe I should watch it all. I probably heard about or watched clips of most of it anyway. I don't get how they say they didn't know it was wrong yet say Michael has them practice drills of getting dressed quickly in case they got caught. Wouldn't that indicate something was wrong? And him saying they'd go to jail? a child knows jail=something wrong. if they thought they'd go to jail too as a child, would they believe tha t, I don't know but, surely a teen wouldn't and yet they or wade, didn't know it was wrong until 2013 ? That's why wade defended/didn't tell apparently. But wade also apparently said he protected his abuser because he cared for him/his kids. Which is it? I read that James says in the court documents suing the estate that he said in 2005 to his mum that Michael was a "bad man", but on a tv show James said he didn't realise he was abused until wade went public with it. really?
How can adults not know? They're in their late 30s, James early 40 now. It took that long to realise? now something came out in the tabloids that James said in the 90s that MJ kissed him on the lips, if this is true why isn't this mentioned in the film as it would help their case wouldn't it, though James's dad didn't think it was a big deal as apparently everyone did that?
A real life male friend on Twitter who I didn't even know was a fan thinks if someone took out out their penis and further, put it in your face you'd know it was wrong, even as a child, as this is not something that usually happens to you!

The jewellery, it could be found out where it was bought and ask if true, but james said they pretended to the person in the shop that it was for women, even though they tried it on his hand. But it looks clearly like men's jewellery. I heard what James said about the jewellery somewhere else. it rings a bell. but where? About "selling him some"? A lot of stuff they say sounds familiar, is it what people have been saying about same claims from Jordan Chandler 's supposed diary which didn't exist? in some book by Victor G, (I don't know if it did or not, just going off what people say here) or from tabloid stories?

I'm having a wtf moment here. It's copied like word for word from this book??

https://mobile.twitter.com/Caramelicedtea/status/1103539304872271872

An d what's this

https://mobile.twitter.com/HisNameWas_Lola/status/1103406091352924167

https://mobile.twitter.com/Keb_187/status/1103430301152350209

Wade calls him his lover but talks about them being father and son too? did he not know you don't do this with your dad? He talks about mj putting *sorry This is explicit*

his tongue in his anus the first days of knowing him - wtf? really?!? The same people who believe that will also believe MJ was a weirdo germophobe? if wade say this abuse happened straight away in the first days / first week? That doesn't sound like grooming, grooming takes time to build trust and manipulate. he wasn't alarmed? He didn't think something is not normal? He didn't think to mention it at the trial aged 26 when another boy is making allegations? He claims he has no choice but to lie? You had a choice . and hold Up, lie? again I thought he didn't realise til 2013? He remained in friendship and defending him into adulthood and after his death. Wanting to wear his clothing to be close to him for a performance. Like I said before, I was molested as a child, I was groomed, it was portrayed as loving, I wrote in my diary when he died that I loved him (I was still young). I still felt there was something wrong, a bad feeling, something not normal, unease. I don't think that's hindsight. I remember feeling this during 1 incident in particular.
When I fully realised, which was sometime in my teens after age 13, I didn't want to speak about him or anything relating to him again, I burned those diary pages, I have no good feeling for him, feel sick, and I've told noone, and what happened to me was not as extreme at all as the disgusting things they claim. This is such extreme allegations, and graphic details. Apparently James for some reason describes the consistency of the body fluid coming from him? Like wtf. Why that necessary? It's like they're purposely trying to shock with graphic detail, they think this makes it more believable. and the smirks. I don't think I ever known of anything like this being on t.v. and this is on prime time. Honestly the accusations I heard makes me feel sick. It just shocks my mind. I find it odd though that all it takes for some fans to change their minds is to watch a video of people simply making claims, and they believe it. Two men who are suing for hundreds of millions of dollars. He went through a trial and was found Not guilty. He was investigated by FBI. Had raids on his house that he wasn't alerted to. These two accusers contradict themselves and change their stories.Taj just caught them in a lie.
You knew about the Jordan Chandler thing, the claims he described a patch of vitiligo, though was wrong about other physical things, and the so called 'pay-off' and that didn't faze you, but this, two guys making claims to a camera does?


Meanwhile, Paris responded these to an article that has the headline "Paris Jackson believes her father, Michael, is innocent of sex abuse claims..."

"i actually haven’t made any statements yet, especially regarding how it affects my work life. you guys are reaching a bit. at least this wasn’t a disgusting and attacking article though. "
https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103449953433763841

and this, I don't know if it's also about the article or about fans tweeting her, or both

"y’all take my life more seriously than i do. calm yo tittaaaaysss"

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103452574299185152

surely she is just putting on a brave face and pretending it doesn't affect her?

She liked this tweet the other day

https://mobile.twitter.com/Simonna/status/1102680586680844288
"People are so concerned about kids during this whole #LeavingNeverland scandal but why is everybody forgetting Michael’s kids? Stay strong
@ParisJackson

@princemjjjaxon
& Blanket. #MJfam is with you.🙏🏽❤️#FactsDontLiePeopleDo"


Frank DiLeo niece commented , who are her cousins that she's talking about being featured in the film? She not happy

https://mobile.twitter.com/annamariex0/status/1103339802311704578

https://mobile.twitter.com/annamariex0/status/1103339107806298112

https://mobile.twitter.com/annamariex0/status/1103156712356433925

https://mobile.twitter.com/annamariex0/status/1103156170796294147

Wow James bulger's mother commented saying she doesn't believe them

https://mobile.twitter.com/Denise_fergus/status/1103431636367130624

EDit:

I just found Paris said more stuff

"i didn’t mean to offend by expressing that titties should be calm, i know injustices are frustrating and it’s easy to get worked up. but reacting with a calm mind usually is more logical than acting out of rage and also.... it feels better to mellow out."

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103557775274041344

"smoke some weed n think about the bigger picture. chillax my dudes"

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103557876960833536

Someone said "The bigger picture is your father’s legacy ruined and his name smeared forever but whatever though"

Paris responded:
"so..... not love and peace and trying to carry that message out? tabloids and lies are the bigger picture? i’ll pray for you"

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103558273519611908

"if everyone reacted this way towards articles, they’d stop making lies and start writing actual news"
-quoting this fan tweet "Ya exactly. I guess that's what the media wants... Is to get a reaction. Maybe if they see we're not bothered by their lies and garbage stories they'd get bored and mellow out with their fairytales lol"

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103559753517527040

fan:
"No, they want to tear his name down and stop playing his music but it’s cool like who cares that he died for this. ✌️"

Paris:

"yeah they do that to everyone with a good heart and tries to make a dfference but do you really think that it’s possible to tear his name down ? like do you truly believe they stand a chance ? relax and have peace."

https://mobile.twitter.com/ParisJackson/status/1103560421510852608
 
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Comic Monique is putting Oprah on blast (I twitter Monique on Monday). I am at work so I can not see her video but they are playing it on all the radios. Got to hear it.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Regarding youtube
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I have a problem with youtube as well. Sometimes when I post, I can see when I am logged that the comment is there. But if I use a different browser without logging in the comment is not there. Why does this happen? Its frustrating as hell as I cant respond half of the time to people. It seems I am not allowed to post ANY links at all. And then I see other people post 15 links in the same post without problem.

It seems I can only post shorter messages as well. I get so pissed of by this.

Any idea what the problem is? I am sticking to facebook because of this as of now. Why bother with youtube when half the posts is just available to see for yourself and no one else.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Sadly I did do that. :(

I saw these incredibly hateful comments and decided to copy and paste my one message to that person as well. I can't comment at all now. How do u get this fixed? I told FB about it, but their message is they may reply to me if they need more or something.

It was in the same MJ post though. But as a reply to that guy.
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Remember some people job on there is to post hateful stuff about everybody.
 
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