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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Someone needs to tell Carrie Ann from The Talk about Wade, her emotional stance on 'The Talk' pulls in sympathy and she is only speaking from an emotional spot knowing Wade Robson personally. She obviously does not know Wade as good as she thought
 
Guy, do not let the media=journalists spread BS, do not be in our community bubble, add comments all over the net, do not let people have their say without knowing facts, do not quarrel, just argue, once twice, but let the comment be known.

The Unbelievably Bad Michael Jackson Defense
It’s hard to take an argument seriously when it’s executed so poorly.
By MIKE PESCA
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/michael-jackson-defense-weakness.html

Unpacking the Stoicism of Michael Jackson’s Victims
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/why-do-michael-jacksons-alleged-victims-seem-so-stoic.html#comments
 
I saw that the "Pink Channel" from which I thought was a pro MJ channel has uploaded LN and the full Oprah Interview two days ago.
(The LN parts ate not availible for USA and canada).
For me Leaving Neverland should be not on youtube for everyone in every age to see because of its content.
The estate should do sometging against it that it is on youtube!!!
We should blame the uploader for this!
I have no accout at the moment to do this.
We should report this to youtube that they remove the videos and don't allow to upload the film there to protect children.
 
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Thriller_MJ said:
I honestly think this should happen and his body should be excumed. If it means a DNA test is what is needed to prove Michaels innocence then I'm all for it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...on-documentary-leaving-neverland-body-exhumed
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"According to Radar Online" - that says all. Stop believin' this BS - what they can find? OK, he was an abuser and abused kids 'til his death in '09. That means it's been 10 years after last abuse. 10 YEARS! So ridiculous that someone can believe in this.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
I honestly think this should happen and his body should be excumed. If it means a DNA test is what is needed to prove Michaels innocence then I'm all for it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...on-documentary-leaving-neverland-body-exhumed
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Why are they RECYCLING that more than 40 days old article from radaronline? Just unreal.

Surely there must be some DNA somewhere from MJ from the Murray trial or from the strip search etc?

The article is bullshit anyway, just complete rubbish, but just wanted to ask if they have MJs DNA since before?
 
Speed_Demon87;4246584 said:
Corey Feldman; I can no longer defend Michael Jackson.

He’s just did an interview and posted on Twitter that this is one of the hardest things he’s had to do.
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That's because these days Corey has a campaign for and presents himself as an advocate for abuse victims and pushes the MeToo line of always believing the accusers, so what he said in reaction to Wade and James looked hypocritical, he got criticized, so now he's saying this. What he's saying is not really about Michael.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
I honestly think this should happen and his body should be excumed. If it means a DNA test is what is needed to prove Michaels innocence then I'm all for it.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...on-documentary-leaving-neverland-body-exhumed
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Are you serious?

What DNA evidence would exist? Robson and Safechuck have made it categorically clear that they have absolutely nothing incriminating. If they had a piece of clothing with MJ's semen on it, I'm sure they would've brought it up by now.

Plus, exhuming his body is unnecessary. They surely have items with his DNA on it as it is.

There is literally no reason to grave rob the King of Pop. It wouldn't benefit either side.
 
myosotis said:
It does seem to be.

Someone on the Tw thread said this:



and another confirmed the date / occasion


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Someone was asking about UK ratings - they seem to be higher than USA for part 1:

The film which was directed by The Paedophile Hunter director Dan Reed, peaked with 2.4M viewers and won the slot for 16-34 viewers with a 20.5% share. This was above the numbers posted by HBO earlier this week; the Amos Pictures-produced two-parter drew a 0.4 rating and 1.3 million viewers for Part 1.

To give some UK context, feature doc Three Identical Strangers, which aired at the end of last month, drew 1.7M viewers. This was a solid hit for the British broadcaster.

It comes as the film, tells the story of two boys, Wade Robson and James Safechuck, now in their 30s, who say they were sexually abused by Jackson when they were ages 7 and 10, was surrounded by protests in the UK.

https://deadline.com/2019/03/channel-4-leaving-neverland-ratings-1202571206/
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I can't see the post about evidence that a picture was fotoshoped cause I have no twitter accound.
Can someone please post it here?
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Thats the image. i wonder where it was taken? Maybe before the Ceremony.
I wonder what the background is???
I'm not sure if that is really photoshopped.

Pictures:
United Negro College Fund, March 10 1988, some pictures (mjjpictures.com) from the event...
https://mega.nz/#!NJtQHIIA!s_FlcKyiXack5R4FA1YU2ppV1OjVIZN8bV5c8vPGhb8

more pictures...
https://www.gettyimages.de/fotos/44th-annual-united-negro-college-fund-awards


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Lightbringer said:
Why do you accuse people spreading misinformation when yourself are spreading misinformation?

If you bother to read properly, Safechucks lawsuit says:

"Plaintiff talked to her about the call, but was unable to tell her any details or say anything but the very briefest statement that he had been ABUSED."

Its all there in black and white.

Safechuck is lying either way btw. His mother is dancing and celebrating MJs dead in 2009, but Safechuck did not know he was abused until 2013 according to the Oprah interview.

In his deposition he states that he told the mother of abuse in 2005. Which is it?

I would encourage you to not spread disinformation! It seems you are "interpreting" your own version of Safechucks deposition in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable.

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I'm sorry but I think you have not understood me. What I'm doing is trying to put the right information because the information of charles that is not correct in many things. Read the documents please .

I have not accused anyone, I just say Please read the lawsuits because there are a lot of data in his arguments and other arguments of people that are not correct either due to misinformation or to copy and paste without corroborating where it comes from and if you see what I put and the points that I refer you will see that they are not correct because He says that James defended Michael in the trial when it is not right, and several other things. please go back to see what I quote and check it.

and clearly what I say is the same as what the lawsuit says, the same as you have said, that he said a few words to his mother in 2005 without being able to explain more than Michael was "a bad man" because he at that moment did not process or accept that he had been abused until years later.
But in the same demand he explains that he lived in different situations in which he knew that something had not been right in his relationship with michael.
therefore it is the same as he says now.
I do not know if i explain me wrong or you misunderstood me but what you put in the lawsuit is that on the one hand he knew that something was not right, that's why he says that to his mother in 2005 and on the other he was unable to process it and accept it as abuse and tell anyone else, that's why "years" passed until finally in 2013 it accepts and processes it as abuse.
That is what it puts in his demand. I have not said anything else that please read the court documents because there is incorrect information
 
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The thing I hate most about MeToo is that I could write some status saying "blah blah blah sexually assaulted me in a hotel room" and people would believe it cause everyone feels sorry for the victim. I'm an abuse victim. But everyone and there dog suddenly think they know everything that goes on with abuse. Abuse is complex, harder to "get over" it took me till I was about maybe 24-25 to start to move on when I moved to Manchester from Glasgow. Nobody can speak for victims of abuse apart from the victims themselves. SO why do people jump on this speaking for victims of abuse if they themselves aren't abused? I honestly think people just do it to make themselves feel better. It pisses me off that suddenly everyone is an expert, no they are not, the only people who know what exactly happened is the person doing the abusing and the person being abused.

I think after this dies down and people calm down as it is the "it" thing at the moment, maybe we will get more answers than questions. I think emotions (including my own) are running high with this.
 
If you can add yourt comments about this bs, wer need to comment and do not let people just read BS and never have nothing else than such bs articles:

Leaving Neverland: Did the whole world lose its mind about Michael Jackson?
Channel 4 documentary is a gruelling watch dismantling the aura the singer created
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
I saw that the "Pink Channel" from which I thought was a pro MJ channel has uploaded LN and the full Oprah Interview two days ago.
(The LN parts ate not availible for USA and canada).
For me Leaving Neverland should be not on youtube for everyone in every age to see because of its content.
The estate should do sometging against it that it is on youtube!!!
We should blame the uploader for this!
I have no accout at the moment to do this.
We should report this to youtube that they remove the videos and don't allow to upload the film there to protect children.
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Please go to the 'PINK CHANNEL", spread facts and Debunking videos like the videoreview from Nicols view to the viewers in the comment section of the videos to LN.
 
mjchris said:
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Thats the image. i wonder where it was taken? i wonder what the background is???
Maybe before the Ceremony.
I'm not sure if that is really photoshopped.


Video Footage:

United Negro College Fund, March 10 1988, some pictures (mjjpictures.com) from the event...
https://mega.nz/#!NJtQHIIA!s_FlcKyiXack5R4FA1YU2ppV1OjVIZN8bV5c8vPGhb8
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I don't think it is photoshopped. That's not long after the Grammy's that Michael performed at. In Safechuck's complaint he says this took place in 1989 and on this trip to see Michael he was abused. However this event was actually several months before Safechuck claims the abuse first started in 1988. This is one of the biggest issues with his complaint, along with the defense team supposedly calling him asking if he would be prepared to testify.
 
WildStyle said:
I don't think it is photoshopped. That's not long after the Grammy's that Michael performed at. In Safechuck's complaint he says this took place in 1989 and on this trip to see Michael he was abused. However this event was actually several months before Safechuck claims the abuse first started in 1988. This is one of the biggest issues with his complaint, along with the defense team supposedly calling him asking if he would be prepared to testify.
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It's a very straight vertical line between S and MJ. That makes it look like a cut and paste job.
 
Thriller_MJ said:
The thing I hate most about MeToo is that I could write some status saying "blah blah blah sexually assaulted me in a hotel room" and people would believe it cause everyone feels sorry for the victim. I'm an abuse victim. But everyone and there dog suddenly think they know everything that goes on with abuse. Abuse is complex, harder to "get over" it took me till I was about maybe 24-25 to start to move on when I moved to Manchester from Glasgow. Nobody can speak for victims of abuse apart from the victims themselves. SO why do people jump on this speaking for victims of abuse if they themselves aren't abused? I honestly think people just do it to make themselves feel better. It pisses me off that suddenly everyone is an expert, no they are not, the only people who know what exactly happened is the person doing the abusing and the person being abused.

I think after this dies down and people calm down as it is the "it" thing at the moment, maybe we will get more answers than questions. I think emotions (including my own) are running high with this.
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MeToo is poison, it's just as simple as that.

The intent of it maybe was good, and to have Weinstein exposed is definitely good. For sure. But after that we got to see several actors being accused (Morgan Freeman for example) of harassing women and it turned out it was all lies and fabricated.

But man, if you'd seen certain forums when it was merely just a accusation...the comments were pathetic.

I find it shameful how the media did report the truth about Jussie Smollett pretty soon, but look at how they completely ignore the hard evidence and proof about these two men, it's unbelievable.
 
Soundmind said:
Chandler is bound by the settlement he cannot speak with the media nor participate in any documentary.
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well, actually, he can speak if he wants, the settlement does allowm him to have his say, the legal point is if he said nothing happened, no sexual abuse/molestation, cos the settlement was not about sex abuse but negligence, how the Estate could handle the situation and if they took a legal action against him or let the settlement untouched and let the money and settlement be in the past, but welcomed the help and MJs defence.
 
*** Am I the onlyone that has had this different/odd view in MJJC.. as in, it looks different - all my words get bunched together even when I try to make it look clean. Anyway to get the other look back?
 
WildStyle said:
I don't think it is photoshopped. That's not long after the Grammy's that Michael performed at. In Safechuck's complaint he says this took place in 1989 and on this trip to see Michael he was abused. However this event was actually several months before Safechuck claims the abuse first started in 1988. This is one of the biggest issues with his complaint, along with the defense team supposedly calling him asking if he would be prepared to testify.
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Maybe it is possible to find the real foto online when this is fotoshoped. Who is the Lady in MJs arm?
 
GUYS, for the second time this week I have had suspended youtube accounts while sharing info on MJ!! My real youtube page got suspended, I tried to appeal it and cannot find how to get to my youtube URL which is needed for the appeal so I made another.. and THAT got suspended too.. WTF!
 
WildStyle said:
I don't think it is photoshopped. That's not long after the Grammy's that Michael performed at. In Safechuck's complaint he says this took place in 1989 and on this trip to see Michael he was abused. However this event was actually several months before Safechuck claims the abuse first started in 1988. This is one of the biggest issues with his complaint, along with the defense team supposedly calling him asking if he would be prepared to testify.
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me too, i think it looks very natural.
 
If anyone was still not sure if Louis Theroux was a piece of shit...

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If you can’t see that Michael Jackson was a paedophile after watching @danreed1000 ‘s film you are being wilfully blind. And if you are campaigning against it you are actively colluding in the silencing of victims.

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I presented him with the Thomson article, but I bet he just ignores it.
 
KOPV said:
GUYS, for the second time this week I have had suspended youtube accounts while sharing info on MJ!! My real youtube page got suspended, I tried to appeal it and cannot find how to get to my youtube URL which is needed for the appeal so I made another.. and THAT got suspended too.. WTF!
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My Youtube account is deactivated since yesterday and i'm still very sad about it.
Did you get an info why your accound is deactivated? They only send me the user rules.
Have you made many comments under cbs videos like me?
They have delated MJ defending comments and maybe have announced the users to youtube.
 
I've stopped watching Louis' work. Sad as I enjoyed it very much prior to this.

Following the criticism he endured regarding Saville, I think he is determined to undo his mistakes and curry favour.

Guilty or innocent, to point to THIS movie as the reason why they should be believed clearly shows to me he hasn't got a clue and zero credibility.
 
Hey guys. From the USA in Atlanta. You guys are doing great out there! Sure, there are haters out there, but hey, you can’t please everybody. I’ve been avoiding the media coverage of this, and I’m a whole lot better for it. God does answer prayer. Keep blasting Michael’s music and videos everywhere!
 
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