Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

You have to wonder how in the world it's possible that this biographer went from "innocent" to "guilty" all because of LN. All it takes is a few minutes of your time to read up on these two men and how easily it can all be discredited. The logic of some people is just mindblowing in a bad way.

What a moron that guy is. Did he even do any research? Clearly not.

If any other celebrity had been accused by two liars such as Wade and James who changed their stories and had major credibility issues, hardly anyone would believe their claims and they'd be laughed out of the Country.

People only believe it because it's Michael.

People are always willing to believe the craziest things when Michael is involved.
 
Dan Reed failed again to make an attempt to give evidence on the train station being built before 1993 based on an interview with Harrison Funk, MJ's personal photographer...And gets owned by Harrison Funk himself:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The photo shoot that I was referring to happened in JUNE, 1994, definitely NOT BEFORE. I refuse to engage with the people attempting to twist my words to fit their agenda.</p>&mdash; Harrison Funk (@harrisonfunk) <a href="https://twitter.com/harrisonfunk/status/1120358183384559616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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so courttv actually fired her? i didnt know that i thought she quit
Yep!!! If I recall correctly, her contract was supposed to be up in December, but directly after the trial was over, Court TV gave Diane THE BIG BOOT!!!

She played herself and had Court TV thinking that Michael would be found guilty and she thought that she would be on her way to being the next Diane Sawyer and/or Barbara Walters. LOL.

In my opinion, it was Diane Dimond and the rest of those Court TV parasites, during MJ's trial, that caused the demise of the entire Court TV programing. I remember T-Mez calling Court TV out during one of his interviews and it was great!!!!!!!
 
What a moron that guy is. Did he even do any research? Clearly not.

If any other celebrity had been accused by two liars such as Wade and James who changed their stories and had major credibility issues, hardly anyone would believe their claims and they'd be laughed out of the Country.

People only believe it because it's Michael.

People are always willing to believe the craziest things when Michael is involved.

No, I think it is just certain people willing to believe because it is MJ. People will good brains and sense can see through this nonsense. Again, I will judge MJ based on the testimony, who change stories and LIE, who followed the law, did not run for money, etc. Again, MJ never changed stories, cooperated with authorities and others (this man had the kind of money he could have ran if he was guilty but MJ did not, in fact, MJ came back to the US) and MJ did what he was told (he could have fought to not have the body search but he did it and the pictures did not match) whereas all of his accusers LIE, change stories, people admitting to lying on MJ IN COURT and told tabloids other stuff to be paid,etc.
 
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Dan Reed failed again to make an attempt to give evidence on the train station being built before 1993 based on an interview with Harrison Funk, MJ's personal photographer...And gets owned by Harrison Funk himself:
The photo shoot that I was referring to happened in JUNE, 1994, definitely NOT BEFORE. I refuse to engage with the people attempting to twist my words to fit their agenda.
&#8212; Harrison Funk (@harrisonfunk) April 22, 2019
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See, the PATTERN of MJ's lying accusers and their supporters. See how Dan LIES and make up stuff. When you speak truth, you do not have to lie about NOTHING.
 
See how Dan LIES and make up stuff. When you speak truth, you do not have to lie about NOTHING.

Exactly!! The truth only has one version.

Aside from that, Dan and his mockumentary have hit the ICEBERG, just like the Titanic did, in my opinion.

Reed's very first mistake was underestimating the Michael Jackson fans and their investigating skills. MJ fans know every outfit, every hairstyle, every tour, every hotel, any question you may have regarding Michael Jackson, just ask an MJ fan.

Reed hitched his horse to two liars who can't keep their stories straight and have to make up new lies to cover up their initial lies.

OH AND THAT TRAIN STATION STORY WAS THE KISS OF DEATH!!!!!!!! And Dan's response to the Train Station Story was pure gold.
 
Exactly!! The truth only has one version.

Aside from that, Dan and his mockumentary have hit the ICEBERG, just like the Titanic did, in my opinion.

Reed's very first mistake was underestimating the Michael Jackson fans and their investigating skills. MJ fans know every outfit, every hairstyle, every tour, every hotel, any question you may have regarding Michael Jackson, just ask an MJ fan.

Reed hitched his horse to two liars who can't keep their stories straight and have to make up new lies to cover up their initial lies.

OH AND THAT TRAIN STATION STORY WAS THE KISS OF DEATH!!!!!!!! And Dan's response to the Train Station Story was pure gold.

That is very true, BUT.... despite of so many pieces of information about the lies and conspiracy and media agenda against MJ, the very same MJ fans (most of them tbo) are like being in the MJ community bubble talking and tweeting and sharing all the info in the very same bubble among the fans, like fans for fans, not into the outside world.

There is almost no rebuttal article from mainstream media, almost no author from mainstream media has been doing any further research to even question LN fakumentary.

Most of the media articles take LN as a fact, and readers or vievers are being grossly manipulated and influanced.

There are no famous celebs that would be defending MJ at every occasion.

People just believe LN and most of them do not even know anything else about the tran station than that JS had been molested there...

Fans should stop talking to fans and spread it everywhere.... but hey... not in the way as MJ fans, the truthers, having MJ as avatar and acting like w@ckos and fanatics.
Fans are very often doing the harm than defending MJ.

Many fans are passive, they are lazy to even comment articles.
Many fans are afraid of even saying - I am a Michael Jackson fan, they are afraid of showing the support , they are kind of ashamed of being a MJ fan
 
if Dan still wants to make people believe the whole mockumantary, why doesnt he simply asks jimmy-boy again whether or not he lied on the train station story?
 
This video is a little bit of topic, but because the producer "inaworldoflove" did amazing videos to the LN subject, I think its a good idea to share this video here about MJ and Quincy Jones..

 
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This video is a little bit of topic, but because the producer "inaworldoflove" did amazing videos to the LN subject, I think its a good idea to share this video here about MJ and Quincy Jones here.


Yes, We already know Quincy is no friend of Michael. He became jealous and obsessed with Michael and that is not normal.
 
From what I understood, Dan Reed is searching any quotes/information that contradict
Mike Smallcomb.
He even searched in the podcast of the MJ Cast.
If he's reading (while searching an information about the train station) this comment on MJJC, hey Dan Reed xD
 
There is almost no rebuttal article from mainstream media, almost no author from mainstream media has been doing any further research to even question LN fakumentary.

Most of the media articles take LN as a fact, and readers or vievers are being grossly manipulated and influanced.

There are no famous celebs that would be defending MJ at every occasion.

People just believe LN and most of them do not even know anything else about the tran station than that JS had been molested there...

In my opinion, the "mainstream" media is not as important (or trustworthy) as it once was. Many, many people are getting their news from other sources in this day of Social Media.

Case in point: I heard about the Train Station Story on Instagram, then I came here to confirm.

A few years ago, "mainstream" media wanted American's to believe that Hillary Clinton would DEFINITELY be the President. All the polls showed Clinton as the sure winner. She lost and folks were pissed at the "mainstream" media!

More recent, the "mainstream" media wanted American's to believe that Trump colluded with the Russians and would be arrested (along with his family members) any minute. None of that happened.

And they wonder why folks call them "FAKE NEWS." The "mainstream" media lost the trust of their audience a long, long, long time ago and it shows in their collective ratings and with long time publications going out of business or downsizing.

I always read the comment sections, for me, that's where you find out what the REGULAR FOLKS are thinking, and I, personally, have been very impressed as to how the comment sections, that I see, are mostly positive and filled with correct information regarding MJ and LN.

It was also on Social Media wherein I realized how the Urban/Black Community had absolutely no love for Ms. Oprah. The "mainstream" media tries to make it seem like everybody is in love with Oprah. A little trip to Social Media and the Urban/Black Community will show you that is absolutely NOT true.

P.S. I don't really care about celebrity endorsements. They're nice, I suppose. But for me, personally, I'd rather hear what they say "on the streets," "in the hood," and "around the way."
 
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In my opinion, the "mainstream" media is not as important (or trustworthy) as it once was. Many, many people are getting their news from other sources in this day of Social Media.

Case in point: I heard about the Train Station Story on Instagram, then I came here to confirm.

A few years ago, "mainstream" media had American's believing that Hillary Clinton would DEFINITELY be the President. All the polls showed Clinton as the sure winner. She lost and folks were pissed at the "mainstream" media!

More recent, the "mainstream" media had American's believing that Trump colluded with the Russians and would be arrested (along with his family members) any minute. None of that happened and Trump is still President.

And they wonder why folks call them "FAKE NEWS." The "mainstream" media lost the trust of their audience a long, long, long time ago and it shows in their collective ratings and with long time publications going out of business or downsizing.

I always read the comment sections, for me, that's where you find out what the REGULAR FOLKS are thinking, and I, personally, have been very impressed as to how the comment sections, that I see, are mostly positive and filled with correct information regarding MJ and LN.

It was also on Social Media wherein I realized how the Urban/Black Community had absolutely no love for Ms. Oprah. The "mainstream" media tries to make it seem like everybody is in love with Oprah. A little trip to Social Media and the Urban/Black Community will show you that is absolutely NOT true.

P.S. I don't really care about celebrity endorsements. They're nice, I suppose. But for me, personally, I'd rather hear what they say on the "streets," "the hood," and "around the way."

I agree. Even Oprah's powers aren't effective even before the "Leaving Neverland" fiasco. In my home state Georgia, Stacey Abrams was running for Governor, and Oprah endorsed her by making an appearance at Morehouse/Spellman (not exactly sure which one). I thought about going over there, but something prevented me from doing that, and now I know what is is. I already knew that Stacey wouldn't get it because it's still the South, even though times are progressing. Travel outside of Atlanta, Macon, Savannah, even Augusta, you're basically in rural Georgia. We still got a long way to go. We can't take our rights for granted.

Especially after the 2016 Election, it caught me off guard after Trump won, now with another one coming up next year, my guard is now up! We were seeing true colors being exposed, and now with this mockumentary, even Hollywood is now exposed.

Dr. Maya Angelou said it best: "IF SOMEONE, SHOWS YOU WHO THEY ARE, BELIEVE THEM."
 
You have to wonder how in the world it's possible that this biographer went from "innocent" to "guilty" all because of LN. All it takes is a few minutes of your time to read up on these two men and how easily it can all be discredited. The logic of some people is just mindblowing in a bad way.

The answer is MONEY and FAME
or you can sume such reasons up to GREED.
The whole Leving Neverland thing its not about Michael Jackson its about GREED!
(This statement what came very from the 'Mean Machine' channel is absoluly on point!
They said its the fight JUSTICE VS GREED.)

There are powerful people and a global conspiricy and they have money to buy people or buy statements.
So when you ask why after this whole inconistancys and lies were exposed still people with some influence or folower come say MJ is quilty or they change their opinion and think now he is guilty...
It is GREED in any kind of way not only moneywise.


That is very true, BUT.... despite of so many pieces of information about the lies and conspiracy and media agenda against MJ, the very same MJ fans (most of them tbo) are like being in the MJ community bubble talking and tweeting and sharing all the info in the very same bubble among the fans, like fans for fans, not into the outside world.

There is almost no rebuttal article from mainstream media, almost no author from mainstream media has been doing any further research to even question LN fakumentary.

Most of the media articles take LN as a fact, and readers or vievers are being grossly manipulated and influanced.

There are no famous celebs that would be defending MJ at every occasion.

People just believe LN and most of them do not even know anything else about the tran station than that JS had been molested there...

Fans should stop talking to fans and spread it everywhere.... but hey... not in the way as MJ fans, the truthers, having MJ as avatar and acting like w@ckos and fanatics.
Fans are very often doing the harm than defending MJ.

Many fans are passive, they are lazy to even comment articles.
Many fans are afraid of even saying - I am a Michael Jackson fan, they are afraid of showing the support , they are kind of ashamed of being a MJ fan

Thats why we can't lay back and think we have won anything in my opinion!

This movie was sold in 130 countrys ( it was a well planed global attack on Michael Jackson and his legacy).
When you count 2 Million viewers for every of these countrys (cause you can not cound the people who watched it online) you know that many millions of people have watched or will watch this movie.
BUT the YouTube Video "Michael Jackson and Wade Robson: The true story" which is the most watched debunking video on youtube which does pop up for everyone who search for " Leaving Neverland" and is translated in many lanuages on youtube has only 2.1 million views with many double or ten times clicks included.
So most people who saw LN seames to know anything other then what they saw in LN about the cases or not much more then that.

We should continue to try to debunk this whole think as deep as we could to help Taj with his Rebuttle documentery or other people who wants to make one.
 
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From what I understood, Dan Reed is searching any quotes/information that contradict
Mike Smallcomb.
He even searched in the podcast of the MJ Cast.
If he's reading (while searching an information about the train station) this comment on MJJC, hey Dan Reed xD

It occurs to me that it might be amusing to have an official 'MJ Neverland railway station' tee :) (Maybe the picture could show the word 'Innocent' around the station garden clock).
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As promised, I just met with famed attorney Tom Mesereau. In his 1st extensive interview since <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >#LeavingNeverland</a> aired, he explains why he&#8217;s sure Robson &amp; Safechuck are not to be believed. I plan to release part of this via video this week &amp; the whole thing Saturday on my podcast <a href="https://t.co/6sJ1Sq0zME">pic.twitter.com/6sJ1Sq0zME</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1120409089387921413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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I'm so thankful for John Ziegler - one of very few who wasn't afraid to expose the liars. Can't wait to hear his interview with T-Mez.
 
I'm so thankful for John Ziegler - one of very few who wasn't afraid to expose the liars. Can't wait to hear his interview with T-Mez.

Yeah .... and that he lives in the USA is very important.
Sooooooo sad that their are only three journalists with him, Smallcomb and Charles T who want to spread the truth out there and can do this only on small platformes.
 
If Dan Reed wants to make a doc about the Arvizos, he should read this before hahahaha

The Not Guilty Verdicts in the Michael Jackson Case: Was Justice Served, or Thwarted?
By JONNA SPILBOR
Wednesday, Jun. 15, 2005

https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-c...kson-case-was-justice-served-or-thwarted.html

The jury in the Michael Jackson child molestation case has spoken, acquitting the pop star on charges that the star molested a teenage cancer survivor who briefly resided with him between 2002 and 2003.

Jackson was cleared of ten charges in all. They included four counts alleging he molested, or attempted to molest, the then 13-year-old accuser; four counts alleging he'd plied the boy with alcohol; and one count alleging he'd conspired to hold the boy and his family hostage at Jackson's sprawling Neverland Ranch.

The case began with a confident forty-six-year old Jackson dancing for fans on the roof of an SUV. But it concluded with a sullen slip of a man shuffling slowly away from the courthouse; Jackson seemed not jubilant to have won his freedom, but exhausted and spent.

So what happened? Is Jackson a wealthy celebrity defendant who was able to buy freedom for a price? Or is he a product of a justice system that, on occasion, actually works?

In this column, I will discuss how the case against Michael Jackson may indeed go down in history -- not as a case that went wrong, but one that went right.

The verdict essentially vindicates the King of Pop, ending what has been described as a long-standing vendetta between Tom Sneddon, the Santa Barbara District Attorney, and Jackson himself. And it resolved this vendetta the right way: In Jackson's favor.

When It Comes to Evidence, Quantity Can't Make Up for Lack of Quality

The evidence against Jackson was copious in quantity, but very poor in quality, and that's what led to the jury's acquittal.

There was virtually no physical evidence. There was no chilling confession. So the prosecution based its case on testimony - calling eighty-five witnesses, and dragging in allegations of molestation that were nowhere to be found in its indictment.

The prosecution's case thus turned on the credibility of those who testified. And on credibility, the case was lost: When jurors addressed the awaiting cameras, in the hours after the verdict was returned, their message was consistent and clear: They didn't believe the key prosecution witnesses, particularly the two whose testimony was crucial: the accuser and his mother.

The defense successfully portrayed the Arviso family as a family of grifters who exploited the boy's illness to shake down celebrities for money. The accuser's mother, Janet Arviso had to admit on the stand that she'd lied under oath to bolster her damages in a previous civil case against retailer J.C. Penney - a case in which she'd collected more than $152,000.

In that case, Arviso had alleged that security guards had sexually abused her and her son during a shoplifting incident - causing her specific injuries. But defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. persuasively argued to the jury that these injuries were caused not by the guards, but rather by Arviso's abusive ex-husband.

And it wasn't just J.C. Penney that Arviso cheated, according to the defense; it was also the State of California - and thus, in a sense, the twelve taxpayers sitting in the jury box!

Mesereau showed that Arviso had failed to report her $152,000 settlement on a subsequent application for welfare benefits. When questioned about the matter, Arviso asserted her right to refuse to testify under the Fifth Amendment - which applies only when one fears criminal prosecution. No wonder Arviso took the Fifth: Failing to report income on a welfare application, signed under oath, is a felony in California.

On the whole, it would have been a naÏve and gullible juror who swallowed Janet Arviso's testimony whole. And even if jurors were inclined to believe Arviso's testimony in part, the required jury instruction - used in all California criminal cases - as much as warned them to be cautious.

It said: "A witness, who is willfully false in one material part of his or her testimony, is to be distrusted in others. You may reject the whole testimony of a witness who willfully has testified falsely as to a material point, unless, from all the evidence, you believe the probability of truth favors his or her testimony in other particulars."

This instruction may have hurt the credibility of the accuser too. During the defense case in chief, Mesereau presented evidence that the accuser's mother had coached her children to lie in the J.C. Penney case, going so far as to send her children to acting school to make them better storytellers under oath! With evidence like this, a jury would have been hard pressed to believe the accuser's testimony beyond a reasonable doubt. And the instruction was clear: If you feel a witness is lying under oath about a given issue, think seriously about whether you can believe him on other issues.

As the jury instruction indicates, testimony is only as reliable as its source - and that's what killed the Jackson prosecution. Jurors properly evaluated the accuser's testimony and demeanor, as well as that of as his mother, and concluded that these key prosecution witnesses were not to be believed - or, at least, that their testimony was shaky enough to create reasonable doubt.

Why the "Prior Bad Acts" Evidence Hurt the Prosecution, Rather Than Helping It

The prosecution seemingly tried to make up for the shaky credibility of Janet Arviso, by throwing more evidence at the jury - "prior bad acts" evidence, to be specific. As I discussed in a prior column, this evidence is admissible in California if the judge so rules.

But this additional evidence didn't bolster the prosecution's case; it sunk it even further.

Prosecutors attempted to paint Jackson as a pedophile by proffering evidence that Jackson had allegedly molested five other boys over the past thirteen years. But to try to prove this, they relied, again, on testimony the jury was unlikely to find credible, to say the least.

This testimony was almost entirely provided by witnesses who, by all accounts, were former disgruntled employees of Neverland, with axes to grind. One was sued by Jackson and forced into bankruptcy in the face of a judgment that had exceeded one million dollars; it's hard to imagine a clearer example of the kind of bias that causes a jury to mistrust testimony.

Meanwhile, this biased testimony was countered by much less biased testimony. Prosecutors had asserted that former child star Macaulay Culkin was once a victim of molestation by Jackson more than a decade ago, when Culkin himself was a frequent visitor to Neverland. But Culkin took the stand and adamantly denied the allegations.

Might Culkin have been biased by his continuing friendship with Jackson? Sure.

Would this bias have caused him to voluntarily perjure himself on the stand - denying an incident that, if it had actually occurred, would have badly scarred him psychologically? That's doubtful.

Was Jackson's friend Culkin - with, apparently, no financial dealings with Jackson - much less biased than the witness whom Jackson had forced into bankruptcy? Absolutely!

In another molestation case, prior bad acts evidence might have convinced an uneasy jury to convict. Imagine a case, for instance, in which the accuser was a very young child whose testimony was convincing, but featured some troubling inconsistencies - inconsistencies that might be due to the accuser's young age, or might be a sign his claims were fabricated. In such a case, hearing strong evidence of prior acts of molestation on the part of the defendant might convince jurors that they would not make a mistake to convict.

The convincing prior bad acts evidence, in other words, could bolster the credibility of the testimony relating to the actual offense. (Indeed, this is exactly why prior bad acts evidence can be deeply unfair: The defendant is on trial for the offense charged, not the prior bad acts. If the jury is, in effect, convicting him of those acts, due process has been subverted: The defendant has a right to know what he is being charged with, and defend against that.)

But here, if anything, the poor quality of the prior bad acts evidence probably cemented jurors in their resolve not to convict.

Prosecutor Sneddon Was Aware of the Evidence's Poor Quality, Yet Indicted Anyway

Moreover, the parade of witnesses with poor credibility did more than undermine the prosecution's case. It also sent an ugly, inadvertent message: This prosecutor wanted to get Jackson even if he had to suborn perjury to do so.

Attorneys have an ethical duty not to knowingly put lying witnesses on the stand.

For defense attorneys, this duty can be in tension with the duty of zealous representation: If your client hasn't confessed, can you be sure he is lying?

But for prosecutors, complying with this duty ought to be easy: If you think your witness is a liar, don't put him up there on the stand to lie. Yet the prosecutors in the Jackson case put likely liars up there again and again.

Is it conceivable that the prosecution testimony in Jackson was all true? Of course not. Is it conceivable that prosecutors could have been ignorant about the lies that would be told? It seems highly unlikely.

After all, Mesereau's cross-examination - though admirably skilled, tenacious, and thorough - offered no Perry Mason moments. Santa Barbara's top dog District Attorney was hardly caught by surprise by what cross-examination brought out. On the contrary, virtually all the ammunition for Mesereau's cross-examination was known to both sides.

What are we to think of a prosecutor's office that may well have repeatedly suborned perjury - and was well aware of the risk that it would?

Especially egregious was the prosecution's decision to include conspiracy charges in the indictment, and to put on testimony to support these charges. The supposed conspiracy was to hold the boy and his family at Neverland against their will. Objective evidence suggested that these charges were ridiculous. The risk of suborning perjury was extremely high. Yet prosecutors went right ahead and tried to prove these charges.

This was not only wrong, but foolish. The conspiracy charges undermined the credibility not only of the witnesses who tried to support them, but of the prosecution that included them in the indictment.

In disproving them, the defense was devastating: It showed that during the weeks the boy and his family were supposedly being held against their will at Neverland, they were taken on all-expense paid shopping sprees and spa treatments courtesy of Michael Jackson. After the sprees and spas, they willfully returned to Neverland - three times or more. If this is imprisonment, many overworked Americans may be moved to cry out, "Imprison me too!"

Prosecutor Sneddon should have known better than to build a case around complaining witnesses who, by all appearances, wouldn't know the truth if it bit them. Even now, with a resounding ten "not guilty" verdicts ringing in the nation's ears, he won't apologize.

He insists he had to take his accuser as he found him. And it's true: he couldn't transform the Arvizos into angels. But he didn't have to believe them. And he didn't have to believe them when they were at their most incredible - with respect, for instance, to the conspiracy/kidnapping claims.

And he certainly didn't have to put other witnesses who were equally lacking in credibility on the stand to try to make up for the Arvizos' weaknesses. Sneddon might have had to take his accusers as he found them (after he decided to prosecute, that is) but he certainly didn't have to take his other witnesses as he found them! He could have declined to call them to the stand.

So observers shouldn't buy Sneddon's bid to evade responsibility. It's he who approved the indictment and the witness list, and signed off on the "prior bad acts" strategy. This case didn't come to him full-grown, begging to be made; instead, like Dr. Frankenstein, he created it.

The Defense's Forte: Careful Preparation

As I noted above, Thomas Mesereau's genius was not in Perry Mason moments, but simply in consistent excellence - in preparation, and in cross-examination.

As another basis for their not guilty verdicts, jurors cited the time line of the alleged acts of molestation. Mesereau used prosecutor's own version of the case to demolish them - in a sort of legal Kung Fu move.

Prosecutors said Jackson molested the accuser after the airing of the now infamous documentary by Martin Bashir entitled, "Living with Michael Jackson" - in which Jackson admitted sharing his bed with children.

Mesereau underlined for jurors how illogical this was: According to prosecutors, Jackson chose to strike at precisely the wrong time: while the eyes of the world were upon him.

Prosecutors also tried to convince jurors that, at the same time, despite his worldwide celebrity, and the intensification of interest in him caused by the documentary, Jackson plotted to secretly kidnap the family and perhaps spirit them away to Brazil! (Hot air balloon not included.)

Certainly, the National Enquirer would not have been able to spare a reporter to uncover that turn of events. Plainly, Jackson could have counted on being able to engineer this international crime, yet having no one be the wiser. Brilliant!

The Bottom Line: A Wrongful Prosecution Leads to a Righteous Result

This case never should have been brought in the first place. But it was - and thankfully, this smart, thoughtful jury did the right thing.

They didn't do it lightly, either; those who disagree with their verdict should consider that - as we now know from their own interviews -- they kept deliberating even though after their initial vote, in the minutes kicking off their deliberations, was a unanimous "not guilty."

Many juries would have reported their verdict back to the judge immediately. But these jurors were anxious to make sure they did the right thing. So they continued to mull the evidence for the better part of 30 hours; their further deliberations spanned seven days.

That's right: These twelve people sat in a courtroom for thirty hours - taking time away from their jobs, families and other commitments, despite their initial unanimity -- just to make sure justice was done.

It was: These jurors did not mistake quantity for quality when it came to evidence. Nor did they mistake shaky testimony for credible testimony - as the prosecutor's office repeatedly did, knowingly or not.

In his closing argument, Mesereau called the family a pack of scam artists trying to pull off the ''the biggest con of their careers.''

I might say the same about the office of the Santa Barbara's District Attorney.
 
See how easy it is to lie:

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Nobody knows who was there, who was who and what the show was about except ONE BIG THING that changed HISTORY forever

They can desperately try to rewrite HIStory, but not even Motown 100 or 200 will change history

 
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Was this already been shared?

Its a great interesting video from March but has very less views cause the uloader forgot to mention Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland or any # in the title

"Truth to Power Funding Neverland" from "Positive Uplifting Programming"
443 views on March 23 2019


Do you think he is maybe right that MJ had a simular contract with oprah sighned like he had done it with HBO?

Wade did an Hip Hop video in 1994?
 
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Just heard the gymnist who removed her Michael Jackson routine and song DID NOT get her ususal perfect 10 and her team came in 3rd place. When she did Michael, she always got PERFECT 10. I guess she got boycott for not doing MJ. LOL.

Ouch. Now that's some bad luck.

That is very true, BUT.... despite of so many pieces of information about the lies and conspiracy and media agenda against MJ, the very same MJ fans (most of them tbo) are like being in the MJ community bubble talking and tweeting and sharing all the info in the very same bubble among the fans, like fans for fans, not into the outside world.

There is almost no rebuttal article from mainstream media, almost no author from mainstream media has been doing any further research to even question LN fakumentary.

Most of the media articles take LN as a fact, and readers or vievers are being grossly manipulated and influanced.

There are no famous celebs that would be defending MJ at every occasion.

People just believe LN and most of them do not even know anything else about the tran station than that JS had been molested there...

Fans should stop talking to fans and spread it everywhere.... but hey... not in the way as MJ fans, the truthers, having MJ as avatar and acting like w@ckos and fanatics.
Fans are very often doing the harm than defending MJ.

Many fans are passive, they are lazy to even comment articles.
Many fans are afraid of even saying - I am a Michael Jackson fan, they are afraid of showing the support , they are kind of ashamed of being a MJ fan

I think fans are passive because they see what happens to the fans that DO speak out. The ones that speak up are either ignored or harassed by the hater crowd; the haters don't even seem to read or think about what's being said. In some extreme cases fans could have their comments deleted or they get banned from whatever platform they're on, even if they're being civil. One person mentioned earlier in this thread that they got banned from another (non-MJ) forum simply for not believing R&S. Another lost their Youtube account. There are different posts throughout this thread about pro-MJ comments on different news articles being deleted outright. Yes, even the civil ones.

The outspoken, supportive fans are being censored and I can see where it would make others feel powerless to do anything, because they already expect to be ignored or censored. The media is once again controlling the narrative and it's very hard to fight back when nearly every attempt to do so is shut down.
 
Yeah I was the one of those people who lost my YouTube account twice and got maybe banned there for ever.

The first one I had over 10 years with no videos uploaded and the only thing why they could have blocked it is because I maybe shared the same links and comments to much when I have defended MJ but I think it is more because of too many reports from haters and cbs.
With the second one I did absolutly nothing wrong and posted only 10 comments til they have blocked it.

After defending MJ til March everyday on this two accounds for hours, I am now trying to debunk LN as far as possible and shareing informations then defending MJ on social media.

I think this only can make the real change and will help people like Taj to make powerful, convincing documentarys or videos.
 
Ouch. Now that's some bad luck.



I think fans are passive because they see what happens to the fans that DO speak out. The ones that speak up are either ignored or harassed by the hater crowd; the haters don't even seem to read or think about what's being said. In some extreme cases fans could have their comments deleted or they get banned from whatever platform they're on, even if they're being civil. One person mentioned earlier in this thread that they got banned from another (non-MJ) forum simply for not believing R&S. Another lost their Youtube account. There are different posts throughout this thread about pro-MJ comments on different news articles being deleted outright. Yes, even the civil ones.

The outspoken, supportive fans are being censored and I can see where it would make others feel powerless to do anything, because they already expect to be ignored or censored. The media is once again controlling the narrative and it's very hard to fight back when nearly every attempt to do so is shut down.

This is why it is so important for the estate to be more responsive. They really need to have an articulate convincing representative out there speaking emphatically on MJ's behalf and innocence. A fan can't get access to mass communciation outlets like television, but an intelligent, well spoken estate rep could. None of the estates current team are verbally forceful enough in my opinion. Branca is very low key in speaking up for MJ. I heard another one of them on some radio show and he was very wishy washy.

Messeareau has been the most impressive and articulate about MJ and his innocence, but his alliance with Bill Cosby has impacted his credibility to an extent.

Considering the monies MJ generates for his beneficiaires and the executors definitely benefit, you'd think they'd have brought someone on board by now with the eloquence and communication skills to counter the likes of a Dan Reed. That person should have been all over the place about that train station and speaking on the other salacious components of that crab documentary.
 
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Robin Givens Remembers Meeting Michael Jackson And Other Gems From Filming 'The Wiz'

THE ACTRESS STOPPED BY THE YES, GIRL PODCAST TO DISCUSS HER JOURNEY TURNING ACTING FROM AN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITY TO A COMPLETE CAREER.

Robin Givens has receipts.

The veteran actress has not only starred in major film and television productions, she came up under legends all while studying at Sarah Lawrence College when most girls her age were starting high school.

Still, when the Ambitions actress stopped by ESSENCE’s Yes, Girl! podcast recently to discuss her career, she also shed light on how she got started in the industry. Her path to unintentional notoriety began with a stint in the iconic film, The Wiz, as a kid.

They kind of came to my neighborhood and they were wondering what kids could ride a skateboard,” she began, “…and we got to go to rehearsal and we’re with Michael Jackson and Diana Ross.

Givens said one set rule stood out in her memory: “They said, ‘Don’t ask for pictures,'” Givens recalled.

Looking back, the actress said that she couldn’t believe how much freedom she had as a young actor in the city.

“I was in this graffiti scene and I remember taking the subway to get there. Something…I would never let my children do,” she admitted. “I was like, what the heck were you thinking…I was getting lost.”

Faulty sense of direction aside, Givens revealed that her early professional experiences were “priceless.”

One of those moments included being in awe of the late King of Pop, who passed away in 2009.

“I remember being at rehearsal and eating lunch and there’s Michael Jackson and I’d…take a Polaroid with Michael Jackson,” she said, cherishing the memory.

Check out more of Givens’ story by listening to the Webby Award-nominated podcast, Yes, Girl!

https://www.essence.com/amp/celebrity/robin-givens-michael-jackson-filming-the-wiz/
 
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Lolwut. I actually do have Asperger's, and I have no idea what to do with this person's ridiculous statement. If anything, it's just made me study the facts even more intently than the average person (hyperfocus on very specific topics is a hallmark of Asperger's) and figure out that the accusations are a bunch of crap.
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Dan's not going to make a doc with the Arvizos after we were able to destroy his documentary with Wade and James (with less information)... lol

He is simply marketing himself and promoting his current project.. of course this is a matter of opinion but I'd be surprised if I were wrong.
 
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