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Why was the initial bonus content of Thriller25 discarded?

Honestly the estate don't even need to use unreleased material every time they make a project. Projects could easily be created using alternate mixes of already released songs, or totally different takes on those songs built from the multitracks. It would take being creative though so they probably won't do that.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Even if the Estate was hitting continuous home runs with the posthumous projects, they would never make as great of an impact as the material Michael released in his lifetime. Not to imply that quality doesn't matter, because it obviously does. But the Estate legitimately can't damage Michael's artistic legacy; it's impossible, even if they were actively attempting to do so.
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Exactly. I said this in another thread. it will never be the same how Michael did it. :\
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Honestly the estate don't even need to use unreleased material every time they make a project. Projects could easily be created using alternate mixes of already released songs, or totally different takes on those songs built from the multitracks. It would take being creative though so they probably won't do that.
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I totally agree with this.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Honestly the estate don't even need to use unreleased material every time they make a project. Projects could easily be created using alternate mixes of already released songs, or totally different takes on those songs built from the multitracks. It would take being creative though so they probably won't do that.
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Yes. Kind of like what The Beatles did with the Anthology series.
 
What's the point for any artist estate to make remixes anymore? people can do that online now and was doing it before internet existed. technology has change that for everyone. look at all the remixers on youtube etc who mix music. they remixes are 10 times better then any estate remixes nowadays.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Honestly the estate don't even need to use unreleased material every time they make a project. Projects could easily be created using alternate mixes of already released songs, or totally different takes on those songs built from the multitracks. It would take being creative though so they probably won't do that.
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For instance they could rerelease the Bad album but with its songs uncut versions (8 or whatever minutes length per song).
 
BAD25 is such a great release.

Price of Fame is one of my all time favorite MJ songs. Personal, great beat, great great song.

I really really hope that We've Had Enough and Price of Fame gets on the next new MJ studio album. - Those 2 songs and the 6 all new never heard before. Would be perfect IMO.
 
Hess;4287405 said:
I really really hope that We've Had Enough and Price of Fame gets on the next new MJ studio album. - Those 2 songs and the 6 all new never heard before. Would be perfect IMO.
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This is not going to happen because these two songs have already been officially released.

NatureCriminal7896;4287027 said:
Thriller 25 should of have more unreleased songs like bad 25 did. that's why I love bad 25 better. they did a lot more with bad 25 then thriller 25.
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The ‘Thriller’ recording sessions is the era with the fewest unreleased songs, whereas the ‘BAD’ recording sessions is the era that has the most unreleased songs.

So, there were far more unreleased songs to choose from for the ‘BAD 25’ album (in comparison with the ‘Thriller 25’ album).

Also, the ‘Thriller 25’ album came out when Michael Jackson was still alive, and it is known that (during his career) he was not really keen on releasing previously unreleased songs.
 
mj_frenzy;4287409 said:
This is not going to happen because these two songs have already been officially released.
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Does it really mater? TWYLM was relased on TUC but this didn't stop the estate to throw it out on MICHAEL.

mj_frenzy;4287409 said:
Also, the ‘Thriller 25’ album came out when Michael Jackson was still alive, and it is known that (during his career) he was not really keen on releasing previously unreleased songs.
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Ha ha ha. MJ had released more than once "previously unreleased" stuff on his albums while he was alive. Two on Victory, three on History and four on Blood.
 
Fuzball;4287411 said:
Does it really mater? TWYLM was relased on TUC but this didn't stop the estate to throw it out on MICHAEL.

Ha ha ha. MJ had released more than once "previously unreleased" stuff on his albums while he was alive. Two on Victory, three on History and four on Blood.
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Most of these songs were songs that he was still working on until they were finally released, so they were not just previously unreleased songs.

About the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album for example, this came out as a result of a compromise between Michael Jackson and the record label.

Around that time (1997), the record label wanted from him a new studio album (with at least ten new songs on it), but Michael Jackson did not want to put out a new studio album.

So, these four songs from the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album were actually unfinished songs from previous recording sessions that he re-worked on and finished them for inclusion on that album.
 
mj_frenzy;4287416 said:
Around that time (1997), the record label wanted from him a new studio album (with at least ten new songs on it), but Michael Jackson did not want to put out a new studio album.
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Source, please. To my knowledge, MJ wanted to release an EP but Epic Records had insisted on a full album.









Now, this is somehow really strange. Now you're saying he was still working on those songs ...

mj_frenzy;4287416 said:
Most of these songs were songs that he was still working on until they were finally released, so they were not just previously unreleased songs.

So, these four songs from the ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ album were actually unfinished songs from previous recording sessions that he re-worked on and finished them for inclusion on that album.
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... while in your previous post you've implied that For All Time was just an peviously unreleased song.

mj_frenzy;4287409 said:
Also, the ‘Thriller 25’ album came out when Michael Jackson was still alive, and it is known that (during his career) he was not really keen on releasing previously unreleased songs.
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Fuzball said:
For instance they could rerelease the Bad album but with its songs uncut versions (8 or whatever minutes length per song).
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I was so dissapointed that Fly Away on Bad25 didn't have his extended adlibs in the outro
 
I felt blood on the dance floor wasn't an album. just a project with a few songs on it. i don't like blood on the dance floor album. but i do like the song.
 
Just because We've Had Enough and Price of Fame has been released before does not mean The Estate will not release them again on a all new MJ album IMO.

The songs are GREAT. - Not many outside fan-communitys know about WHE. - So it could be great to have a proper release. - If it really was meant to be a duet with Janet - then maybe on a special edition add a duet version with Janet.

Price of Fame is a demo - just like TWYLM was. - It could be temporized and be a great great song. - They do not have to change much to make it finished to release.

I really hope those 2 songs will be released on an all new MJ album one day.
 
Hess;4287526 said:
Just because We've Had Enough and Price of Fame has been released before does not mean The Estate will not release them again on a all new MJ album IMO.

The songs are GREAT. - Not many outside fan-communitys know about WHE. - So it could be great to have a proper release. - If it really was meant to be a duet with Janet - then maybe on a special edition add a duet version with Janet.

Price of Fame is a demo - just like TWYLM was. - It could be temporized and be a great great song. - They do not have to change much to make it finished to release.

I really hope those 2 songs will be released on an all new MJ album one day.
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According to my information, Janet Jackson is not interested at all in lending her voice to ‘We've Had Enough’ or to any other Michael Jackson song (so as to become a posthumous duet).

Also, ‘We've Had Enough’ was initially meant to be a duet with Janet Jackson but the song at that time (as a duet) had a different form, musically and lyrically.

Its lyrics were about the media’s mistreatment towards the entire Jackson family, and later its lyrical theme changed completely when it became a solo track.

Also, contrary to what you believe about ‘Price Of Fame’, this particular song has been one of the weakest songs from his entire catalogue (hence also its exclusion from the ‘BAD’ album), and any effort of contemporatization (for a posthumous release) would make it even weaker.
 
mj_frenzy;4287534 said:
Also, contrary to what you believe about ‘Price Of Fame’, this particular song has been one of the weakest songs from his entire catalogue (hence also its exclusion from the ‘BAD’ album), and any effort of contemporatization (for a posthumous release) would make it even weaker.
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Contrary to your subjective believe, which you once again try to sell as a superior fact here,
"Price Of Fame" is one of the best unreleased songs by far "according to my information". :)
 
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Electro said:
Contrary to your subjective believe, which you once again try to sell as a superior fact here,
"Price Of Fame" is one of the best unreleased songs by far "according to my information". :)
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Agree. Price Of Fame and Al Capone are my two favourite songs off Bad 25.
 
Price of Fame has a build-up that must have inspired Who Is It.
 
Price Of Fame was actually use for a pepsi commercial if i'm not mistaking. so i'm not surprise why it's underrated. it's a great song. it does remind you of who is it which was made a few years later. :)
 
I love reading all of the information everyone is providing! I really wish Thriller 25 was as packed as Bad 25 was... and was disappointed that only Japan got "Got The Hots".
 
A well done Thriller25 special by Richard Lecocq & MJStreet. It gives some insight to Thriller25's developing process and reveals what initially planned bonus tracks were rejected by MJ.



Video is narrated in French (English subtitles are available)

 
That awkwardness bewtween QJ and Will.i.am when asked about the PYT demo.
 
Fuzball said:
A well done Thriller25 special by Richard Lecocq & MJStreet. It gives some insight to Thriller25's developing process and reveals what initially planned bonus tracks were rejected by MJ.

Video is narrated in French (English subtitles are available)

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This is awesome! Thanks for sharing!

The initial Thriller 25 proposal was so good. Sad that the final project was so mediocre.

Also, Michael is the one who pushed to include remixes over unreleased tracks? That sort of flies in the face of the idea that Michael hated remixing his music, doesn't it?
 
Kind of surprised Behind The Mask was never considered. Much stronger than She's Trouble.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Also, Michael is the one who pushed to include remixes over unreleased tracks? That sort of flies in the face of the idea that Michael hated remixing his music, doesn't it?
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It's really confusing. Was Michael on drugs/medication when he made those decisions?

Derek1984 said:
Kind of surprised Behind The Mask was never considered. Much stronger than She's Trouble.
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BTM would have been a great choice for promoting T25. Imagine Michael performing it on the Grammys in 2008.
 
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