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That is literally the definition of little to no involvement. He took a glance at the track list and approved it. He wasn't involved in anything else creatively.He did spend time working on it and he kept reviewing material presented to him for inclusion.
Matt Forger, for example, stated that the singer reviewed material that had been assembled and he gave final approval to that project.
Who says he worked on the design and packaging of the box set?The glossy packaging shows that he also cared about how this box set would look.
You are the one who believes that Michael potentially, purposefully, tried to sabotage Invincible by including sub-par material on it. In 2004, a box set was not Michael Jackson's priority in life. He was in the midst of a trial.Also, it was never in his nature to just throw some random material into his official releases.
This is what Michael's room looked like when he died:He was also emotionally very connected to this box set until his death (even in his very final days he had it in his hands).
Anyone noticed the dozens of audio & video cassetes? Wondering what kind of stuff were recorded on them.This is what Michael's room looked like when he died:
Wasn't Thriller 25 on the table beside his bed or something during the last days? I totally forgot where I read about this, or where exactly it was found. Maybe this is what mj_frenzy is pointing toThat is literally the definition of little to no involvement. He took a glance at the track list and approved it. He wasn't involved in anything else creatively.
Who says he worked on the design and packaging of the box set?
You are the one who believes that Michael potentially, purposefully, tried to sabotage Invincible by including sub-par material on it. In 2004, a box set was not Michael Jackson's priority in life. He was in the midst of a trial.
This is what Michael's room looked like when he died:
You really think that box set was so close to his heart that he kept it? Or was it simply one of hundreds of random items he had in his home?
You really think that box set was so close to his heart that he kept it? Or was it simply one of hundreds of random items he had in his home?
Emotionally connected to the box set. LOL
Here is the photo with 'The Ultimate Collection' box set:Wasn't Thriller 25 on the table beside his bed or something during the last days? I totally forgot where I read about this, or where exactly it was found. Maybe this is what mj_frenzy is pointing to
Was MJ emotionally attached to the table too?Here is the photo with 'The Ultimate Collection' box set:
He was more likely attached to the iv drop.Was MJ emotionally attached to the table too?
Regarding the 'HIStory' album sessions, here are some of them:Let's stop that argument and focus on something else.
What other outtakes were there from the HIStory and BOTDF sessions? Trying to keep this from being a one-note thread, so I thought a slight change was in order.
I was gutted when I found this out. 3T were great and did their thing, but a solo MJ version would be absolutely crazySolo Why doesn't exist.
This is just another myth perpetuated by some of his fans.Solo Why doesn't exist.
According to TJ Jackson in an interview posted this past spring, it does:Solo Why doesn't exist.
This is odd considering his brother Tarylls narrative on the MJCast:According to TJ Jackson in an interview posted this past spring, it does:
Yes, there is a version of “Why” with my uncle. First of all, he played two songs. […] So he played “You Are Not Alone” and “Why”. He said he could only keep one, and he wanted to give the other to us. He asked us if there was one we liked more, or one we thought he should do or we should do. We loved them both! He said Sony thought he should keep “You Are Not Alone” and he asked us: “Do you want ‘Why’?” We said: “Yes, we’d love to have ‘Why’!” […] The reason why I know there is another version is because, in the bridge, when Taryll is singing the words, we had no idea what the words were, so we had to listen over and over to how my uncle sang it, and try to figure out what the words were. We still couldn’t figure it out so he just tried to sing it just like him and hope that the words would just come across. But some of those words, Taryll didn’t even know what they were so he was just trying to sound exactly like my uncle since we didn’t have the lyrics. If this was now, I’d have it on my computer but in the 90s, there was none of that. It’s probably on some tape or CD somewhere in storage, but there definitely exists a version. I know for a fact there is at least the bridge and I’m pretty certain there is a whole version. Because when he firstplayed, we wouldn’t have known what the song was without the vocals…
I find it hard to believe that TJ would mistake his own uncle’s vocals with someone else’s, but this goes against everything we’ve been told over the years. Who knows?
Mike literally stated on stage that he didn't care about the box set at the MJNI's Killer Thriller Party:It does not turn out that Michael Jackson had little to no involvement with that box set.
This is just some fans' speculation that you keep perpetuating.
He did spend time working on it and he kept reviewing material presented to him for inclusion.
Matt Forger, for example, stated that the singer reviewed material that had been assembled and he gave final approval to that project.
The glossy packaging shows that he also cared about how this box set would look.
Also, it was never in his nature to just throw some random material into his official releases.
He was also emotionally very connected to this box set until his death (even in his very final days he had it in his hands).
According to TJ Jackson in an interview posted this past spring, it does:
Yes, there is a version of “Why” with my uncle. First of all, he played two songs. […] So he played “You Are Not Alone” and “Why”. He said he could only keep one, and he wanted to give the other to us. He asked us if there was one we liked more, or one we thought he should do or we should do. We loved them both! He said Sony thought he should keep “You Are Not Alone” and he asked us: “Do you want ‘Why’?” We said: “Yes, we’d love to have ‘Why’!” […] The reason why I know there is another version is because, in the bridge, when Taryll is singing the words, we had no idea what the words were, so we had to listen over and over to how my uncle sang it, and try to figure out what the words were. We still couldn’t figure it out so he just tried to sing it just like him and hope that the words would just come across. But some of those words, Taryll didn’t even know what they were so he was just trying to sound exactly like my uncle since we didn’t have the lyrics. If this was now, I’d have it on my computer but awein the 90s, there was none of that. It’s probably on some tape or CD somewhere in storage, but there definitely exists a version. I know for a fact there is at least the bridge and I’m pretty certain there is a whole version. Because when he firstplayed, we wouldn’t have known what the song was without the vocals…
I find it hard to believe that TJ would mistake his own uncle’s vocals with someone else’s, but this goes against everything we’ve been told over the years. Who knows?
If not, what box set in the early 2000s, as one of the final products with Sony was he referring too then? Genuine question, really. I've never heard of any other box set project, canceled or not that this could be. But hey, I've been wrong before..^ Doesn't really change whether MJ was involved or not but I don't think he was talking about TUC there at all.
At the 'Killer Thriller' speech (2002), Michael Jackson was disgruntled (if not disgusted) with Sony Music and Tommy Mottola.Mike literally stated on stage that he didn't care about the box set at the MJNI's Killer Thriller Party:
(check between 5:48 - 6:23). He literally says he's just gonna hand Sony old songs, he didn't even really care which ones.
This is interesting. Thanks for this one. I do have to point out thou that compilations are in most cases (not all of them) done by record labels to keep the interest of the artists going on in the zeitgeist. It's basically more revenue, cheaper to produce and to keep the iron hot while there is no new product to release and promote. Considering that most of Mike's compilations are just the same tracks on them but in new sequences and packaging (I have no idea how many things I have that includes Billie Jean by now). We know that Decade (that eventually never manifested) was an effort from Mike and so was HIStory, but other than those, it just looks like Sony was just doing their job regardless Mike's involvement or not. Cause I can definitely buy that he wanted to release new material, I'm just slightly unsure of him wanting to release old stuff repackaged for the tenth time.At the 'Killer Thriller' speech (2002), Michael Jackson was disgruntled (if not disgusted) with Sony Music and Tommy Mottola.
But that was a temporary situation, and those specific words that the singer uttered were because of his temporary tantrum towards them.
Despite what Michael Jackson said at the 'Killer Thriller' speech, he continued to work with Sony Music, and he continued to care about his career, considering that he released at least 6 compilation albums in 2003-2008 under Sony Music.
He was even executive producer in certain of these releases (including 'The Ultimate Collection' box set).
Watch, for example, his speech at the 45th Birthday Party, which took place in 2003 (the previous year before the release of 'The Ultimate Collection' box set).
Here, Michael Jackson was optimistic about his artistic future and career, and he was also very eager to release more material.
He also even stated that he was working on new music, new films (short films, feature films), and so on.
Probably one of the compilation albums or something. I'm pretty sure TUC was a new thing between him and Sony and wasn't related to anything else.If not, what box set in the early 2000s, as one of the final products with Sony was he referring too then? Genuine question, really. I've never heard of any other box set project, canceled or not that this could be. But hey, I've been wrong before..
Sure, that could be the case. But why then say "Box Set" when he easily could have said "compilation" or "best of"? I don't see why we should reinterpret something straight from the horses mouth. If you say "I drove there with a car", who am I to say "No, SmoothGangsta really meant train, boat or bicycle". I could easily then just adapt anything that anyone says to anything, no?Probably one of the compilation albums or something. I'm pretty sure TUC was a new thing between him and Sony and wasn't related to anything else.
Michael had a habit of saying stuff that wasn’t wholly accurate. He’s said on multiple occasions that he writes one hundred songs for each album, which has been proven false on multiple occasions. On top of that, it stands to reason that Number Ones could have been a box set in early configurations, before being paired down.Sure, that could be the case. But why then say "Box Set" when he easily could have said "compilation" or "best of"? I don't see why we should reinterpret something straight from the horses mouth. If you say "I drove there with a car", who am I to say "No, SmoothGangsta really meant train, boat or bicycle". I could easily then just adapt anything that anyone says to anything, no?
I agree, he had a tendency to exaggerate or be plainly wrong but that doesn't remove that he could be correct on this particular thing. If I tell you nine false claims, does that mean that the tenth claim I say is also going to be false? You would have no way of knowing that, you would have to make an assumption based on my previous false statements and land on the wrong conclusion that the tenth thing I'm saying is also false. It would just be logically fallacious thinking.Michael had a habit of saying stuff that wasn’t wholly accurate. He’s said on multiple occasions that he writes one hundred songs for each album, which has been proven false on multiple occasions.
That could be true, but we have no evidence to suggest that would be the case - or maybe you might know something that I don't, which is a possibility. But not until we have something to prove the point should we believe it, since it's just speculation.On top of that, it stands to reason that Number Ones could have been a box set in early configurations, before being paired down.
And now we're back to my example of stating that I'm driving a car, yet for some reason it's not being listened to and instead being assumed that I didn't mean to say "car" but something else instead. That supposed "alternate meaning" can be anything then, really. You just need to fill it in with whatever works for you.Not so much reinterpreting as acknowledging that Michael was prone to exaggeration, so perhaps there’s an alternate meaning.