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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Thanks for replying mate. I was just wondering why he's released so much unheard information now. It seems as if he's just heard these demo's

The lyrics to Boy No sound heartbreaking, it seems to be very much a reflection of MJ's life in his last 3-4 years.
Michael was such a talented songwriter and vocalist when it came to conveying emotion
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He might've had the notes all along but lost them, hence why he wasn't able to elaborate until now. Either that, or no one asked him about what he heard before this month.
 
If they are unfinished but in a state as LNFSG, fall again, days in gloucestershire, hollywood tonight etc then they’re perfectly releasable.
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1581748740964352000

I Have This Dream is done. Ciara, Snoop, James Ingram, Jermaine, Shirley Caesar, the O’Jays and all the others recorded on it. R Kelly is also on the version I heard, but I was told that MJ wanted to remove him. The leaked "demo"
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really is the same song.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1581743441490632704
Innocent Man has vocals in the chorus, which are the same as the lyrics from his handwritten notes (attached). There are no verses on what I heard, but MJ did write additional lyrics. So I'm not sure if he recorded them and I just didn't hear them, or if he didn't record them.
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P.S. The vocals in the chorus are very softly sung. It's not falsetto, but it's super soft. The antithesis of an "aggressive" vocal. Considering the subject of the song, I was surprised about the vocal delivery. I was expecting angry MJ.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1581740834164465664
My notes for Neverland Landing just say "children's song". Light The Way has a horn section intro, and a choir in the choruses. According to my notes, the choir sings: "Light the way, let's pray for peace". Slow song. No lead vocal on what I heard. Just music + choral chorus.
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SmoothCriminal1995 said:
How has Damien come by all this new information? Has he gone to Washington and listened to them recently?
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zinniabooklover said:
Seriously, I would urge you to make enquiries. I just can't believe they'd be charging for this. Commercial / business users of research libraries have to pay for services they use, of course. But the public accessing these types of resources, once you get past the hurdle of actually getting a reader's ticket (you might only be allowed to have a day ticket, for example) would not be expected to pay.

Check it out!
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Can someone please explain this wih more information? It is possible to fly to Wahshington to a library and listen there to unreleased MJ music? :D
 
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All of this info is cool but this pretty much killed all my interest on the Bahrain tracks lol. We already have I Have This Dream basically. Light The Way has no vocals. I hope He Who Makes The Sky Gray at least has something interesting to it.

On the other hand Boy No has become one of my most wanted tracks now lol.
 
Now please someone ask him about Broken Chair, Bang Your Head, H20, Water and He Who Makes The Sky Gray so we can put the 2000s tracks to rest lmao
 
Listening to “I Have This Dream” now.

Yeah, maybe it’s best it didn’t come out.

Someone should ask what songs are actually releasable, not necessarily what state specific tracks are in. That’s my biggest curio.
 
Fuzball said:
Tomboy, I don't know. I heard a version at the US Copyright Office, but the version I heard was instrumental. It had a VERY "Captain EO" vibe to it, and a melody line in the music strikingly similar to (basically the same as) the "I bet you remember" line in Remember The Time.
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The version I heard had just one verse and a chorus.
 
I just asked Damien how many songs are in a good state for release and he said “just one”. It is a a cover of the beatles song “i’m only sleeping” but it is really just a sound recording of MJ actually sleeping.
I’m kind of bummed really 🫤
 
filmandmusic said:
I just asked Damien how many songs are in a good state for release and he said “just one”. It is a a cover of the beatles song “i’m only sleeping” but it is really just a sound recording of MJ actually sleeping.
I’m kind of bummed really 🫤
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I appreciate that Damien's only stating the information he knows or has listened to.

On the other hand, I doubt that there is only one song that is releasable and it's a cover of a filler track from The Beatles album Revolver
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1581788128443916288
Rocker, for example, is a full song. 2 verses, 2 choruses, a killer guitar solo bridge, amazing ad libs at the end. But it’s all ONE take, and MJ is spitting complete nonsense in the verses.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1581750203681759232
(About Hot Fun In The Summertime)
I was told it was recorded sometime between 1998-2003. After MJ's death, the song was found in Marvin's Room studio (owned by Estate co-executor John McClain), and those recording dates line up with a) when MJ worked at Marvin's Room, and b) when MJ was managed by McClain.
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I mean its good to have all these insider informations now. Its also kinda frustrating tbh. Like is the vault really that empty? Can we make a list of songs that we know (!) are in a releasable state. Like they could appear on a project similar to Xscape.

Hot Fun in the Summertime
CGYWOOM
I Was The Loser (?)
Chicago 1945

What other songs do we know are finished (enough) for a proper release?
 
When they released Xscape they said they choose from what? 24 completely finished songs, all good enough to be released, didn't they?? I remember they said a number they choose from, and they choose songs MJ had recorded vocals many times becuase it proved to them MJ liked the song.

So there must be some songs in the vault.
 
Ok lets try to reconstruct the 24 songs that were in contention for Xscape.

1 LNFSG
2 Chicago
3 Loving You
4 A Place With No Name
5 Slave To The Rhythm
6 Do You Know Where Your Children Are
7 Blue Gangsta
8 Xscape

3 of those had already leaked many years prior (maybe more I’m not an expert).
So what 16 songs are left?

9 Hot Fun In The Summertime
10 Chicago 1945
11 Can’t Get Your Weight Off Of Me
12 Throwing Your Life Away

We can only assume many of the T40 tracks were among this this as well as other leaked tracks like monkey bussiness, serious effect, work that body…

This is all just pure guesswork from my part but since all htese tracks never got officialy released I think they were in contention.
 
What I find frustrating is that back in the 80s when I was reading some music magazines some articles reported that MJ had made hundreds of songs and now it seems there's peanuts left. Also I can't comprehend how come there's no single high quality Triumph, Victory and Bad tours video quality. The cameras were constantly rolling, the press was there, those were huge if not historical events and all we get to see is VHS video quality. Those unreleased tour videos and songs must exist somewhere and it appears it's not in the Estate's vault.
 
filmandmusic said:
Ok lets try to reconstruct the 24 songs that were in contention for Xscape.

1 LNFSG
2 Chicago
3 Loving You
4 A Place With No Name
5 Slave To The Rhythm
6 Do You Know Where Your Children Are
7 Blue Gangsta
8 Xscape

3 of those had already leaked many years prior (maybe more I’m not an expert).
So what 16 songs are left?

9 Hot Fun In The Summertime
10 Chicago 1945
11 Can’t Get Your Weight Off Of Me
12 Throwing Your Life Away

We can only assume many of the T40 tracks were among this this as well as other leaked tracks like monkey bussiness, serious effect, work that body…

This is all just pure guesswork from my part but since all htese tracks never got officialy released I think they were in contention.
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Lovely Way has been considered.
Who knows if more Thriller tracks like Hot Street have been as well.
 
Hess said:
When they released Xscape they said they choose from what? 24 completely finished songs, all good enough to be released, didn't they?? I remember they said a number they choose from, and they choose songs MJ had recorded vocals many times becuase it proved to them MJ liked the song.

So there must be some songs in the vault.
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The fact that Michael Jackson had recorded vocals many times on certain songs does not necessarily prove that he liked these songs.

If he liked these songs, then he would have released them (in one way or another) during his lifetime.

For instance, 'Slave To The Rhythm' was one of these songs (for the posthumous 'Xscape' album).

But Michael Jackson did not like that song, considering that he did not include it on his 'Dangerous' album, or on any other later release (studio album, box set, etc) while he was still alive.
 
AChanceToDance said:
Confirmed releaseable and unleaked songs from what I gathered:

I Have This Dream
Crack Kills
What You Do To Me (1985)
Angel
Do You Love Me
Man In Black
Buffalo Bill
Victory
1 RedOne Song
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Have we gotten confirmation for Man In Black being more complete than what we've heard other than Bryan Loren saying so? (I don't find him particularly reliable)
 
mj_frenzy said:
The fact that Michael Jackson had recorded vocals many times on certain songs does not necessarily prove that he liked these songs.

If he liked these songs, then he would have released them (in one way or another) during his lifetime.

For instance, 'Slave To The Rhythm' was one of these songs (for the posthumous 'Xscape' album).

But Michael Jackson did not like that song, considering that he did not include it on his 'Dangerous' album, or on any other later release (studio album, box set, etc) while he was still alive.
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Sorry, but that conclusion is nonsense. Just because MJ did not release a song does not mean he didnt like it. He liked Hot Street and didnt release it
 
AChanceToDance said:
Confirmed releaseable and unleaked songs from what I gathered:

I Have This Dream
Crack Kills
What You Do To Me (1985)
Angel
Do You Love Me
Man In Black
Buffalo Bill
Victory
1 RedOne Song
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That's literally enough for one final posthumous album. Add in the Hot Fun remix (or maybe just the original with added vocals) as well as Get Your Weight Off Me and Chicago 1945, and you've got yourself a nice 12-track album.

(and replace the incomplete Man In Black with Truth On Youth. There's no way anyone could possibly know of another version beyond what Loren showed at his seminar.)
 
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