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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

AlwaysThere said:
“Shut Up and Dance” was never considered as the lead single. That would imply that it was developed enough to be on an early configuration of the album, which it wasn’t. I’d love to see a source.

Michael Prince co-wrote it, so he absolutely has copies (but he also has copies of almost everything he recorded/mixed for MJ).

There are two demos of “Shut Up and Dance”: one sung by co-writer Eric Kirkland and one by an unidentified female vocalist. Joe Vogel, Damien Shields, and Michael Prince have all stated that MJ never recorded it. Vogel insinuated that there may be some VERY preliminary scratch vocals, but not nearly enough to Frankenstein a finished song.

As for the Loren tracks, Vogel never “implies” that they’re mostly finished. They worked on around two dozen, but we’ve heard most of the “finished” ones already. Basically everything else is scratch vocals or instrumentals, as Loren himself confirmed during his Paris seminar in 2018.

If I’m not mistaken, “Verdict” is just an instrumental. “Don’t Believe It” and “Seven Digits” have scratch vocals. “Truth About Youth” has conflicting accounts. “Call It Off” and “All the Truth” are in the same layout as “To Satisfy You” — Loren sings the verses, MJ sings the choruses.
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Keep in mind that certain unreleased songs may exist in a more complete state (in terms of vocals).

For instance, Shana Mangatal (Sandy Gallin's secretary) revealed that 'Seven Digits' has many different versions, which suggests that the song may exist with even more vocals on it.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Keep in mind that certain unreleased songs may exist in a more complete state (in terms of vocals).

For instance, Shana Mangatal (Sandy Gallin's secretary) revealed that 'Seven Digits' has many different versions, which suggests that the song may exist with even more vocals on it.
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It also suggests that there are just different productions and alternate mixes. Suggestion isn’t confirmation, especially when “Seven Digits” was passed over for inclusion on Blood on the Dance Floor due to its half-completion.
 
Lotfi11k said:
There is song called make or break what's your opinion .what about angel .do you want me . wiling and waiting ?
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Babyface stated (in 1999) that he along with Michael Jackson finished writing and recording several new songs.

'Angel' was one of these new songs, and it was meant for at least two albums (for an ill-fated compilation album slated for release in the late '90s, and later for the 'Invincible' album).
AlwaysThere said:
It also suggests that there are just different productions and alternate mixes. Suggestion isn’t confirmation, especially when “Seven Digits” was passed over for inclusion on Blood on the Dance Floor due to its half-completion.
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'In The Back' was passed over for inclusion on the 'Blood On The Dance Floor' album, not the 'Seven Digits' song.

This was confirmed by Epic Records which initially included 'In The Back' on that track list of that album (but later that song was replaced by 'Superfly Sister').
 
according to someone on here, there's also a finished and complete version of 'In The Back'. It was played in a seminar.

kai has a source to this.
 
DanGerouS- said:
according to someone on here, there's also a finished and complete version of 'In The Back'. It was played in a seminar.

kai has a source to this.
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It was mentioned once and then hasn't been followed up on when people have asked about it. Dubious at best.
 
mj_frenzy said:
'In The Back' was passed over for inclusion on the 'Blood On The Dance Floor' album, not the 'Seven Digits' song.

This was confirmed by Epic Records which initially included 'In The Back' on that track list of that album (but later that song was replaced by 'Superfly Sister').
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Yes and no.

Two Bryan Loren tracks from the Dangerous sessions were revived in early 1997, “Seven Digits” and “Superfly Sister.” The former didn’t have full lyrics or usable vocals, and would require a complete overhaul to be usable; by comparison, the latter was mostly finished. “Seven Digits,” then, was thrown back in the vault, though some supplementary work was performed on it.

If I’m not mistaken, “In the Back” and “Superfly Sister” went head-to-head for a spot on the album, and the latter won out (again) since it required far less work.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Yes and no.

Two Bryan Loren tracks from the Dangerous sessions were revived in early 1997, “Seven Digits” and “Superfly Sister.” The former didn’t have full lyrics or usable vocals, and would require a complete overhaul to be usable; by comparison, the latter was mostly finished. “Seven Digits,” then, was thrown back in the vault, though some supplementary work was performed on it.

If I’m not mistaken, “In the Back” and “Superfly Sister” went head-to-head for a spot on the album, and the latter won out (again) since it required far less work.
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Bear in mind that the 'Blood On The Dance Floor' album had to be an up-tempo, dance album.

This means that it could not include slow-paced tracks (such as, 'In Τhe Back').

'Superfly Sister' was an up-tempo, dance track, and this seems to explain its inclusion on the album.
 
mj_frenzy said:
Bear in mind that the 'Blood On The Dance Floor' album had to be an up-tempo, dance album.

This means that it could not include slow-paced tracks (such as, 'In Τhe Back').

'Superfly Sister' was an up-tempo, dance track, and this seems to explain its inclusion on the album.
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Sure, but that wasn’t the conversation topic. I was just reaffirming that “Seven Digits” (which is also an uptempo rhythm track) was indeed up for consideration.
 
AdeZ said:
I can simply say, this rumor is completely false! In The Back has no "more complete" version.
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Do u have information about song angel with Babyface or other unreleased for exemple tomboy .crack kills .men in black .truth about youth or any unreleased
 
Did Michael Jackson recorded songs stay . Get around .California grass .appocalips now .bio .tomboy
 
@Lotfi11k

I think it would have been better if you had put all of your questions into one post but it is too late for that :p
Besides that we don't know, it is all guess work at best :-(
 
hello everyone, i wanted to ask what happened to the compilation that mj was going to publish in 1999, was there a planned release date?, what was the tracklist?, i just remember that the songs do you love me and angel were considered. I would appreciate your answers.
 
Maybe the other 2 finished songs have more vocals in them. I really wanna hope that I Was The Loser isn't the only releasable song from that era.
 
thiron said:
Pretty disappointing and sad. The Will tracks were one little spark of hope for post Invincible songs with finished vocals....
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It's still possible that MJ sings one of them. We only have specifics on one of the songs. I just think it's likely MJ didn't lay down much vocals.
 
If all this new information is definitive, my question is what did MJ do at the studio between 1991- 2008?
Did he just hang out and chill?

Seriously regarding unreleased material, it's tough to do when everything seems bleak but you have to remain positive.

I'm not disagreeing with anything Damien kindly shared, but he hasn't heard everything and neither have the Estate for that matter
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
If all this new information is definitive, my question is what did MJ do at the studio between 1991- 2008?
Did he just hang out and chill?

Seriously regarding unreleased material, it's tough to do when everything seems bleak but you have to remain positive.

I'm not disagreeing with anything Damien kindly shared, but he hasn't heard everything and neither have the Estate for that matter
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There is songs with Loren Damien dont know about it
 
ChanceToDance said:
Maybe the other 2 finished songs have more vocals in them. I really wanna hope that I Was The Loser isn't the only releasable song from that era.
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Tbh, i don’t consider I Was The Loser a releasable song. Its a rough vocal with MJ mumbling many parts. I like it though but i dont think it can be finished and released.
 
mjfan_93 said:
Tbh, i don’t consider I Was The Loser a releasable song. Its a rough vocal with MJ mumbling many parts. I like it though but i dont think it can be finished and released.
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It was considered for Xscape and Imo it's the only post Invincible song we'll ever see being released. Most of the producers who have the releaseable songs from that era won't let the Estate release them and I don't see the Estate making an unreleased demo collection with the unfinished songs at least not until the vault is completely dry, which God knows when that's going to be. It's a damn shame.
 
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