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Does anybody have a clue or any information as to why of all award shows...Michael never attended this type of show. Especially around 95 96. It would've been perfect. I know he got a kids choice award in 94 but it wasn't on nick. It just bothers me because in hindsight...I believe it had to do with the charges he once had but in 93...it was the 10th anniversary of the kids choice awards so I still just can't understand
 
wonderouzmj said:
Does anybody have a clue or any information as to why of all award shows...Michael never attended this type of show. Especially around 95 96. It would've been perfect. I know he got a kids choice award in 94 but it wasn't on nick. It just bothers me because in hindsight...I believe it had to do with the charges he once had but in 93...it was the 10th anniversary of the kids choice awards so I still just can't understand
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I'd imagine due to the allegations and rightly so tbh.

That's one thing that has always bothered me. After the 93 scandal I wish MJ and his team would have mad sure that any children were kept away from MJ to protect his image.

Looking back it was just not a good look and could have been avoided.

He done such amazing things for children and charity but he should have dialed it back (not the charity giving)
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
I'd imagine due to the allegations and rightly so tbh.

That's one thing that has always bothered me. After the 93 scandal I wish MJ and his team would have mad sure that any children were kept away from MJ to protect his image.

Looking back it was just not a good look and could have been avoided.

He done such amazing things for children and charity but he should have dialed it back (not the charity giving)
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He was just different. That's what he cared more about... you would think he would've had his own in the 80s... no allegations would've came if so...I think
 
wonderouzmj said:
He was just different. That's what he cared more about... you would think he would've had his own in the 80s... no allegations would've came if so...I think
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He was certainly different and nobody has come close to his talent since.

Can't imagine him having kids in the 80s he was too focused on being the biggest star ever. Having them when he did was probably the best time.

Those bloody allegations, could you imagine how even more god like he would have been if these stories didn't impact his legacy.
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BuffaloBill87 said:
He was certainly different and nobody has come close to his talent since.

Can't imagine him having kids in the 80s he was too focused on being the biggest star ever. Having them when he did was probably the best time.

Those bloody allegations, could you imagine how even more god like he would have been if these stories didn't impact his legacy.
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I think about that every fn day!! I could only imagine. The 1st thing that goes in my head is the addams family values. I had always watched that & ghost & as a kid I'm like...there's no way mj wasn't supposed to be apart of that film... only to grow up & find out it was fact. I feel I have some type of spiritual connection with that man...idk what it is but...I can even be watching YouTube videos & I swear his name comes up on every video about he had some type of contribution or was supposed to be apart of. Smh I hope Evan is rotting in hell!
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
I'd imagine due to the allegations and rightly so tbh.

That's one thing that has always bothered me. After the 93 scandal I wish MJ and his team would have mad sure that any children were kept away from MJ to protect his image.

Looking back it was just not a good look and could have been avoided.

He done such amazing things for children and charity but he should have dialed it back (not the charity giving)
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I'm sorry but this is a very victim blame-y comment. It wasn't Michael's fault that society is so rotten that they assume every grown man who prefers children's company automatically wants to diddle them. And it also wasn't his fault that awful grifters used their own kids as pawns just to get money from him and subsequently ruined his life. You're almost acting as if he was an actual predator, which we all know he wasn't. Michael was already lonely as-is, and as someone who strongly relates to that, the last thing I would've wanted is to make that even worse.
 
DangerousGal91 said:
I'm sorry but this is a very victim blame-y comment. It wasn't Michael's fault that society is so rotten that they assume every grown man who prefers children's company automatically wants to diddle them. And it also wasn't his fault that awful grifters used their own kids as pawns just to get money from him and subsequently ruined his life. You're almost acting as if he was an actual predator, which we all know he wasn't. Michael was already lonely as-is, and as someone who strongly relates to that, the last thing I would've wanted is to make that even worse.
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At the end of the day, it wasn't appropriate back then and it still isn't appropriate today.

If I had been accused of something so disgusting as that, I would do everything possible to ensure that there would be no further opportunity to put myself in that situation.

We know MJ was innocent but shit sticks.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
At the end of the day, it wasn't appropriate back then and it still isn't appropriate today.

If I had been accused of something so disgusting as that, I would do everything possible to ensure that there would be no further opportunity to put myself in that situation.

We know MJ was innocent but shit sticks.
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What wasnā€™t appropriate?
 
analogue said:
If kids were kept away from Michael after 93 people would just say that was being done to make sure he hurts no more kids. So I think no matter what he did he was in a lose lose situation.
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As soon as you get accused of child molestation you're in a lose lose situation.

But at least try and keep the image as squeaky clean as possible to avoid future incidents.
 
DangerousGal91 said:
I'm sorry but this is a very victim blame-y comment. It wasn't Michael's fault that society is so rotten that they assume every grown man who prefers children's company automatically wants to diddle them. And it also wasn't his fault that awful grifters used their own kids as pawns just to get money from him and subsequently ruined his life. You're almost acting as if he was an actual predator, which we all know he wasn't. Michael was already lonely as-is, and as someone who strongly relates to that, the last thing I would've wanted is to make that even worse.
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The whole reason MJ hung out with young men was it seemed like the least offensive thing. If he hung out with men, they'd call him gay. Hang out with women, well, who knows how they'd say it, there's so many ways to say that wrong..and definitely no little girls. You could keep an entourage of suits, and he did, but they weren't very good friends, were they. And then finally, there's other celebrities, but they're as flighty as migrating birds.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
The bed sharing, the special friendships with kids like he did etc as it made him vulnerable to potential claims.


Listen this is quite an emotive subject so we're best not to go there....
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But there never was anything inappropriate with any of those things. I get what youā€™re trying to say, but cannot agree.
 
I always find it curious how fans would defend him being around youngsters and kids. We know he cared, we know he had a special thing about people in disadvantage, but IT WAS WEIRD, no matter how good your intentions are.

One thing is to have a special bond with kids and still prefer the company of adults, but the constant effort he put to be seen as a LOST CHILD or a MAN CHILD, was WEIRD, that is why everybody fixated on THAT. It may have worked during the Thriller era, but later it was just ''cmon Mike....cut it out....grow up''. Like I said, I know he cared, I know he did not mean any harm, I know he was only trying to act like Jesus or whatever, but the thing was weird. The interview with Gavin and him holding hands, I saw it live when I was 14 years old (I'm a fan since I was a baby practically) and even THEN, I remember thinking it was weird. Not because I thought something sinister could have happened, but because I knew no good could come out of that. I remember being in an extinct forum (MJ Hispanic) at the time, before the HideOut really began, and soon after the interview aired, we were worried. We instantly knew THAT particular moment was going to be specifically problematic in the aftermath, and even THEN I remember people saying it was no big deal. IT WAS. It really was.

I don't think us as fans should look everything he did as THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS, sometimes you have to be objective. There is people TO THIS DAY that still defend the balcony incident. You can't. YOU JUST CAN'T. That was reckless, that was dangerous, it could have been a disaster. No matter how much love the man had for those children, THAT WAS DANGEROUS, THAT WAS WRONG. Some people compare that to other parents throwing children up in the air, trying to minimize what he did or put in the same category, well, it's not. It could be equally reckless, but to dangle a baby from a really high hotel window, without protection, and being considerably out of himself, still to this day, was RECKLESS AS HELL.

I love Michael, more than anything, the man emotes to my very core, he's imprinted on my dna and soul and heart, but I never said ''well, he was that way'' when it came to children. I knew that was not a good look. I knew he should have known better. Even being innocent, he should have acted completely different. I don't want to blame HIM for all that happened after 93, but at the same time, what happened after 93, was, partially, because of him and totally bad advisers.
 
analogue said:
If kids were kept away from Michael after 93 people would just say that was being done to make sure he hurts no more kids. So I think no matter what he did he was in a lose lose situation.
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I agree
 
Rockin R said:
I always find it curious how fans would defend him being around youngsters and kids. We know he cared, we know he had a special thing about people in disadvantage, but IT WAS WEIRD, no matter how good your intentions are.

One thing is to have a special bond with kids and still prefer the company of adults, but the constant effort he put to be seen as a LOST CHILD or a MAN CHILD, was WEIRD, that is why everybody fixated on THAT. It may have worked during the Thriller era, but later it was just ''cmon Mike....cut it out....grow up''. Like I said, I know he cared, I know he did not mean any harm, I know he was only trying to act like Jesus or whatever, but the thing was weird. The interview with Gavin and him holding hands, I saw it live when I was 14 years old (I'm a fan since I was a baby practically) and even THEN, I remember thinking it was weird. Not because I thought something sinister could have happened, but because I knew no good could come out of that. I remember being in an extinct forum (MJ Hispanic) at the time, before the HideOut really began, and soon after the interview aired, we were worried. We instantly knew THAT particular moment was going to be specifically problematic in the aftermath, and even THEN I remember people saying it was no big deal. IT WAS. It really was.

I don't think us as fans should look everything he did as THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS, sometimes you have to be objective. There is people TO THIS DAY that still defend the balcony incident. You can't. YOU JUST CAN'T. That was reckless, that was dangerous, it could have been a disaster. No matter how much love the man had for those children, THAT WAS DANGEROUS, THAT WAS WRONG. Some people compare that to other parents throwing children up in the air, trying to minimize what he did or put in the same category, well, it's not. It could be equally reckless, but to dangle a baby from a really high hotel window, without protection, and being considerably out of himself, still to this day, was RECKLESS AS HELL.

I love Michael, more than anything, the man emotes to my very core, he's imprinted on my dna and soul and heart, but I never said ''well, he was that way'' when it came to children. I knew that was not a good look. I knew he should have known better. Even being innocent, he should have acted completely different. I don't want to blame HIM for all that happened after 93, but at the same time, what happened after 93, was, partially, because of him and totally bad advisers.
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The baby dangling, not selling that catalog, the strip the clothes from red & black to all white with the kids hugging him like Jesus & having allowed to have those dangerous ppl like tohme & the nation of islam...I think that might be the most cringest things he had done for me
 
Rockin R said:
I always find it curious how fans would defend him being around youngsters and kids. We know he cared, we know he had a special thing about people in disadvantage, but IT WAS WEIRD, no matter how good your intentions are.

One thing is to have a special bond with kids and still prefer the company of adults, but the constant effort he put to be seen as a LOST CHILD or a MAN CHILD, was WEIRD, that is why everybody fixated on THAT. It may have worked during the Thriller era, but later it was just ''cmon Mike....cut it out....grow up''. Like I said, I know he cared, I know he did not mean any harm, I know he was only trying to act like Jesus or whatever, but the thing was weird. The interview with Gavin and him holding hands, I saw it live when I was 14 years old (I'm a fan since I was a baby practically) and even THEN, I remember thinking it was weird. Not because I thought something sinister could have happened, but because I knew no good could come out of that. I remember being in an extinct forum (MJ Hispanic) at the time, before the HideOut really began, and soon after the interview aired, we were worried. We instantly knew THAT particular moment was going to be specifically problematic in the aftermath, and even THEN I remember people saying it was no big deal. IT WAS. It really was.

I don't think us as fans should look everything he did as THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS, sometimes you have to be objective. There is people TO THIS DAY that still defend the balcony incident. You can't. YOU JUST CAN'T. That was reckless, that was dangerous, it could have been a disaster. No matter how much love the man had for those children, THAT WAS DANGEROUS, THAT WAS WRONG. Some people compare that to other parents throwing children up in the air, trying to minimize what he did or put in the same category, well, it's not. It could be equally reckless, but to dangle a baby from a really high hotel window, without protection, and being considerably out of himself, still to this day, was RECKLESS AS HELL.

I love Michael, more than anything, the man emotes to my very core, he's imprinted on my dna and soul and heart, but I never said ''well, he was that way'' when it came to children. I knew that was not a good look. I knew he should have known better. Even being innocent, he should have acted completely different. I don't want to blame HIM for all that happened after 93, but at the same time, what happened after 93, was, partially, because of him and totally bad advisers.
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I have not seen people to this day who still defend the Berlin balcony incident.

In any case, it has been said that on that occasion Michael Jackson was under the influence of medication/prescription drugs, hence his unreasonable move.

Also, trying to act like Jesus was a weird behaviour on his part, on stage and off stage.

Especially, at the BRIT Awards ceremony (on February 19th, 1996), where during the 'Earth Song' performance people on stage wanted to touch him so as to (presumably) get cured.
 
Rockin R said:
One thing is to have a special bond with kids and still prefer the company of adults, but the constant effort he put to be seen as a LOST CHILD or a MAN CHILD, was WEIRD, that is why everybody fixated on THAT.
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Did MJ really make the effort to be seen that way or did tabloids sensationalize it? He had animals, sure, Neverland was a wild home. But is that very different from the party lifestyle, wild and rambunctious stuff most celebrities would do and did do and are doing? Look at Doja Cat, look at Lady Gaga. They do wilder stuff than anything Michael did. Like, idk, just choose your preference really.
Rockin R said:
The interview with Gavin and him holding hands, I saw it live when I was 14 years old... and even THEN, I remember thinking it was weird. Not because I thought something sinister could have happened, but because I knew no good could come out of that.
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Everything Martin Bashir made was intended to be as inflammatory as possible. Sensationalism was the name of the game with that whole documentary. The Take Two footage MJ and his camp out out, that's what really needed to be dissected, and remembered these days.
Rockin R said:
There is people TO THIS DAY that still defend the balcony incident.
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I know people to this day that still hate him over this. It's not defendable, at all, that much is true. And it's been well stated, many times, how bad it was, and MJ, I'm pretty sure, saw the light on it.

www.mtv.com

Michael Jackson Calls Baby-Dangling Incident A 'Terrible Mistake'

The singer had held his baby, using just one arm around the boy's waist, over the edge of a hotel railing on Tuesday. In a statement released late Tuesday, he said,
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So we'll call it his worst mistake ever. Does he need to be condemned for it forever though? Many of us have done quite reckless things with other people's lives, remorseful or not. Do we all deserve to have that immortalized forever? We know that overall, MJ was a responsible father and wanted to be a good role model for kids. He was not intentionally abusive, verbally, physically, or otherwise. So that's simply it for me.
 
Rockin R said:
I always find it curious how fans would defend him being around youngsters and kids. We know he cared, we know he had a special thing about people in disadvantage, but IT WAS WEIRD, no matter how good your intentions are.

One thing is to have a special bond with kids and still prefer the company of adults, but the constant effort he put to be seen as a LOST CHILD or a MAN CHILD, was WEIRD, that is why everybody fixated on THAT. It may have worked during the Thriller era, but later it was just ''cmon Mike....cut it out....grow up''. Like I said, I know he cared, I know he did not mean any harm, I know he was only trying to act like Jesus or whatever, but the thing was weird. The interview with Gavin and him holding hands, I saw it live when I was 14 years old (I'm a fan since I was a baby practically) and even THEN, I remember thinking it was weird. Not because I thought something sinister could have happened, but because I knew no good could come out of that. I remember being in an extinct forum (MJ Hispanic) at the time, before the HideOut really began, and soon after the interview aired, we were worried. We instantly knew THAT particular moment was going to be specifically problematic in the aftermath, and even THEN I remember people saying it was no big deal. IT WAS. It really was.

I don't think us as fans should look everything he did as THAT'S THE WAY HE WAS, sometimes you have to be objective. There is people TO THIS DAY that still defend the balcony incident. You can't. YOU JUST CAN'T. That was reckless, that was dangerous, it could have been a disaster. No matter how much love the man had for those children, THAT WAS DANGEROUS, THAT WAS WRONG. Some people compare that to other parents throwing children up in the air, trying to minimize what he did or put in the same category, well, it's not. It could be equally reckless, but to dangle a baby from a really high hotel window, without protection, and being considerably out of himself, still to this day, was RECKLESS AS HELL.

I love Michael, more than anything, the man emotes to my very core, he's imprinted on my dna and soul and heart, but I never said ''well, he was that way'' when it came to children. I knew that was not a good look. I knew he should have known better. Even being innocent, he should have acted completely different. I don't want to blame HIM for all that happened after 93, but at the same time, what happened after 93, was, partially, because of him and totally bad advisers.
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I have to agree with all of this.

It is the one part of Michael's life that I find very uncomfortable. His relationship with children.

I was pretty much the same age as you were and knew that it wasn't right even back then.

My previous comments about how I wish his PR team changed his image to protect him more and contact with children kept to a minimum.

Watching clips on YouTube etc make me feel uncomfortable knowing what he was accused of.

As an example, the world music awards and Jordy is sat on his lap whilst they listen to boys 2 men on the stage.

It's just not a good look and that was obv just before the 93 allegations.

The 2002 balcony incident was outrageous. Pure stupidity on his part.

The Bashir documentary showed that he was clearly on something in Germany, he was hyper af.
 
Oh cmon. You see? Still..trying to defend him... that statement after the incident is pure B.S. He was filmed days after that defending that Himself: " i was doing something out of innocence" exact words. So I never believed the statement...he did not write it, i believe it was written by whoever PR person he had at the time.

As for the Bashir docu, I know it was edited, but the holding hands part was not edited, was not scripted, it was MJ just talking nonsense and being so out of it, he could not see everybody had a thing for him waiting backstage, specially that cancerous little piece of shit. I know how Bashir played him out with editing, but everything we saw on thar documentary was Michael Jackson 100% and that is why it was so sad. He gave Bashir all the perfect material to put on that horrendous doc.

And yes, he made an effort to be perceived as this poor man child and the media exploited that, of course. But HE did. YOU CAN NOT SAY OTHERWISE.

I dont care about Lady x or whatever, I care about him. We are not discussing party behaviour or eccentricities, I actually enjoy that part of him, but the children thing always ALWAYS gave me chills. It was not OK. He may have played that even more for the media [I believe it was Lisa Presley who said that], got it...but it was a weird way of creating this mythological and mysterious and jesus-like type of character. He should have just be a philantropist, and that should have been enough.

But again, i love MJ, the reason why even thinking it was a weird thing, i stood by him, defended [to this day] its because I knew him, i believed him, and had better judgement. I know he was innocent. I know. I just wish he could have chosen a different way to show how passionate he was about helping others and caring about the disadvantaged.

That is all.
 
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Rockin R said:
He was filmed days after that defending that Himself: " i was doing something out of innocence" exact words.
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I saw that video. I know what he said. And I know what the "apology" said too, and it was basically the same thing as the video, just more repentant. MJ knew how to be sorry without coming as shamed.

And of course holding hands isn't scripted, but the sinister edge added was the exact same as how they've twisted his dealings with Wade Robson and James Safechuck. If people wanna read, badly, into things, then they will. MJ saying that sharing the bed isn't sexual, that's not manipulated. That's about as brazen as can be. But you either take it at face value or don't, simple as that.

Rockin R said:
And yes, he made an effort to be perceived as this poor man child and the media exploited that, of course. But HE did. YOU CAN NOT SAY OTHERWISE.
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Him saying he had to rehearse and didn't celebrate Christmas like he wanted to, yes that is him saying something that the media exploited. He didn't celebrate Christmas because of anything but his religious faith (or rather, his mother's.) He chose to rehearse and perform and loved doing it just as much as he was forced to, in some ways. Is that him asking to be seen as a MAN-CHILD, yes, no, maybe. A little bit of it all. He chose to put out salacious stories to make the tabloids go crazy, and he wanted people to think he was like E.T. So sure he did make the effort. But it honestly was taken way too far into left-field, for what's basically casual behavior nowadays. MJ was at most just doing things too soon in time.
 
The eccentricities I also loved, sleeping in an oxygen chamber, elephant man's bones, wearing face masks everywhere etc

All the crazy stories made MJ larger than life and added to the mystery.

His relationship with children was extremely uncomfortable and one of the main reasons why he is no longer with us. The 93 allegations and then 05 trial changed his life.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
The eccentricities I also loved, sleeping in an oxygen chamber, elephant man's bones, wearing face masks everywhere etc

All the crazy stories made MJ larger than life and added to the mystery.

His relationship with children was extremely uncomfortable and one of the main reasons why he is no longer with us. The 93 allegations and then 05 trial changed his life.
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I swear I wish that car never broke down
 
To be fair he explained himself on this during that annoying diane sawyer interview. From his point of view he didnt have to change his behaviour because he was innocent. However, had he left neverland after 93, 05 never would of happened...
 
MJ dangling his son was one of the stupidest things he did in his life. But one error does not undo all the great things he did in his life. Just like how Steve Irwin dangling his son over a crocodile doesn't undo everything in his life.

I am pretty sure Bigi is more hurt by the fact that his father is no longer on this earth and is being slandered then something he doesn't even remember over 20 years ago....
 
I wish MJ never hung out with kids on first place, he should've known that the world wasn't gonna see it with good eyes. If the allegations never happened he'd be the world's number 1 superstar but unfortunately it's something that follows his legacy to this day.
 
Lets be honest. If anyone else had the sort of relationship that MJ had with kids, from sleepovers to hanging out with them to water balloon fights, we would find it weird. But because it is MJ, we make excuses for him.

I donā€™t believe that Michael did cause any harm to the kids, and I do believe that his intentions were pure and noble. But he should have known that having that sort of relationship with kids would cause many people to raise eyebrows and that he was putting himself in a position where he was open to ridicule.

I wish Michael had someone in his life who told him to stop hanging out with kids. But sadly, all the people close to him in the last 20 years of life were yes men/woman who only cared about his money.
 
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