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The Michael Jackson Chart Watch

zinniabooklover said:
This is the sort of thing I don't understand, not having a business brain. Seems to me you could react to this really quickly in this day and age, slap out the single pdq, get the radio play and see what happens. Can it be that expensive? I can't see why. It should be quick and easy to do.

Is it bc Chicago has been doing well during 'T40' and that's where their focus is? Erm ... :ROFLMAO:

I dunno. I'd be wanting to maximise whichever bit of Michael's catalogue was doing well at any given point.

But, like I said, I don't have a business brain. There must be some other reason why they don't seem to be doing anything with this.

90 million streams on Spotify. Woulda thought that meant something.
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90 million streams is really massive for a song released in 2012 by a deceased artist without any promotional push or release. I mean the song is pretty much invisible it is not in the least comparable with the Kate Bush situation. Imagine if Chicago ends up on a popular tv show, those 90 million streams would turn to 200 million in no time. The young generation clearly likes this song, there is no doubt.

I wonder how much more of a push it needs to actually chart on the top 100
 
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filmandmusic said:
90 million streams is really massive for a song released in 2012 by a deceased artist without any promotional push or release. I mean the song is pretty much invisible it is not in the least comparable with the Kate Bush situation. Imagine if Chicago ends up on a popular tv show, those 90 million streams would turn to 200 million in no time. The young generation clearly likes this song, there is no doubt.
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All of this.

filmandmusic said:
I wonder how much more of a push it needs to actually chart on the top 100
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The million dollar question. If MJE would put a bit of push behind the song who knows what could happen?
 
zinniabooklover said:
This is the sort of thing I don't understand, not having a business brain. Seems to me you could react to this really quickly in this day and age, slap out the single pdq, get the radio play and see what happens. Can it be that expensive? I can't see why. It should be quick and easy to do.

Is it bc Chicago has been doing well during 'T40' and that's where their focus is? Erm ... :ROFLMAO:

I dunno. I'd be wanting to maximise whichever bit of Michael's catalogue was doing well at any given point.

But, like I said, I don't have a business brain. There must be some other reason why they don't seem to be doing anything with this.

90 million streams on Spotify. Woulda thought that meant something.
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Chicago is working excellent but I don’t think it still enough for the Estate or Sony to do more than add it to some playlists*, the song has not even entered the top 200 of Spotify WW, US or UK.

Usually, the viral song is expected to make bigger numbers, enter the daily/weekly charts of Spotify or Apple Music, stay there for a while and then launched to the radio (even some records labels wait for it to first enter the Billboard Hot 100 to then send the song to the radio).

That’s what happened with Dreams of Fleetwood Mac, Die For You of The Weeknd and Bloody Mary of Lady Gaga (the latter was sent to the radio before entering the Billboard Hot 100 but makes 5 or 6 times more streams than Chicago daily).

*The Estate quickly put the song on MJ’s playlists and also appeared on Spotify playlists such as Teen Beats.

Anyway it is true that the Estate could do some more things like a lyric video, but I think they do not because they know that probably will not do much.

filmandmusic said:
I wonder how much more of a push it needs to actually chart on the top 100
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To appear on Billboard Hot 100 need approximately 6M streams in the United States, I don’t know how many streams Chicago does weekly in the United States but probably makes a third of that.
 
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Leomax said:
Chicago is working excellent but I don’t think it still enough for the Estate or Sony to do more than add it to some playlists*, the song has not even entered the top 200 of Spotify WW, US or UK.
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Fair enough. I don't understand this fully. It does confuse me, ngl. I just posted a tweet about Michael's monthly Spotify listener figures and had to check the data for The Weeknd to help me understand it.

Leomax said:
Usually, the viral song is expected to make bigger numbers, enter the daily/weekly charts of Spotify or Apple Music, stay there for a while and then launched to the radio (even some records labels wait for it to first enter the Billboard Hot 100 to then send the song to the radio).
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So the song has to do well by itself before it gets any push. OK.

Leomax said:
That’s what happened with Dreams of Fleetwood Mac, Die For You of The Weeknd and Bloody Mary of Lady Gaga (the latter was sent to the radio before entering the Billboard Hot 100 but makes 5 or 6 times more streams than Chicago daily).
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Noted.

Leomax said:
*The Estate quickly put the song on MJ’s playlists and also appeared on Spotify playlists such as Teen Beats.

Anyway it is true that the Estate could do some more things like a lyric video, but I think they do not because they know that probably will not do much.
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Yeah, I don't think a lyric video is going to make any difference. Especially having seen what MJE consider to be a hot, rocking lyric video, lol.

Leomax said:
To appear on Billboard Hot 100 need approximately 6M streams in the United States, I don’t know how many streams do weekly in the United States but probably do a third of that.
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OK. It still seems weird to me, tbh. It just all feels very passive. But thank you for such a clear explanation. :)
 
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Official Albums Chart Top 100 | Official Charts

The UK's Top 100 biggest artist albums of the week, compiled by the Official Charts Company based on sales of CDs, downloads, vinyl, audio streams and video streams. View the biggest albums of 2023.
www.officialcharts.com www.officialcharts.com
06 January 2023 - 12 January 2023

UK-Charts: Michael Jackson’s Number Ones rebounds back into the Top 40 this week as it lifts 19 (27), as does The Weeknd’s Starboy, up nine (33).
 
Annita said:

Thriller is also Top 20 with counting the 2003Thriller -edit to the other Thriller-version​

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Most streamed 80s songs by solo artists on Spotify
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Ah this was cool. So MJ has 4 spots counting thriller on the top 20. Do you have access or knowledge of similar lists for other decades ?

Look at Kate Bush she flew up this chart in no time. It would be so awesome if an MJ tracks gets the same faith someday. Why is the Estate so difficult? I read from a latin tribute act that it was very hard to get the rights to record thriller for their album, I don’t understand. Is it not great advertisement 😐
 
I remembered back in the early 2000s I listenend a lot to mp3s, one could upload his played songs (called logged) to a site called last.fm
I checked it out again being surprised it still exists. You can view his most logged tracks here in this link. There are quite a few differences with the Spotify top 10 with the big 3 thriller songs all having more than 1 billion plays. You can see the total tallies for all nis songs btw, really cool!
When you check the last 7 days chart you can see “chicago” is also doing well here at 3 rd place behind only BJ and BI. Chicago’s total tally is over 192 million while it has yet to clear 100 million on Spotify.
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Michael Jackson music, videos, stats, and photos | Last.fm

Listen to music from Michael Jackson like Billie Jean, Rock With You - Single Version & more. Find the latest tracks, albums, and images from Michael Jackson.
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Here is definition of CSPC and the artists so far study from Chartmasters ( a really great side). They update the streams weekly. For the last-sales update you have to consider the last sales-update-date. ​

Top artists – CSPC best selling artists of all-time​

The below table presents the top artists of all-time using the below ratios.

  • Studio Album: sales of the original album
  • Other LPs: sales of compilations generated thanks to the album
  • Physical Singles: sales of physical singles from the album (added to CSPC total with a ratio 3/10 for 2-tracks, 5/10 for EPs and Maxis)
  • Digital Singles: sales of digital singles from the album (ratio 1.5/10 for CSPC total)
  • Streaming: equivalent album sales of all the album tracks (ratio 1/1500 for Audio stream and 1/6750 for Video stream)

PIC		ArtistTotal CSPCStudio Albums SalesOther LPs SalesPhysical Singles SalesDigital Singles SalesSales UpdateStreams EAS (Update)
1
The
The Beatles421,300,000160,650,000203,392,000116,080,00035,230,00003/01/1717,150,000
(01/03/23)
2
Michael
Michael Jackson336,084,000182,600,000101,997,00079,350,00079,930,00009/27/1715,692,000
(01/06/23)
3
Elvis
Elvis Presley320,973,00053,150,000212,309,000135,210,00037,470,00009/01/189,333,000
(01/03/23)
4
Queen
Queen276,777,00090,230,000139,348,00049,960,00059,650,00001/25/2023,261,000
(01/06/23)
5
Madonna
Madonna246,532,000146,450,00064,420,00075,210,00042,100,00008/13/176,784,000
(01/06/23)
6
The
The Rolling Stones243,211,000113,800,00092,495,00072,770,00046,200,00012/03/168,154,000
(01/06/23)
7
Pink
Pink Floyd236,686,000169,600,00052,025,0008,800,00023,360,00006/18/178,917,000
(01/03/23)
8
Led
Led Zeppelin206,245,000141,500,00051,200,0006,350,00032,030,00008/08/166,832,000
(01/03/23)
9
Elton
Elton John206,038,00088,630,00082,400,00065,340,00026,250,00002/05/1811,468,000
(01/02/23)
10
Eminem
Eminem200,700,00098,650,00026,757,00014,320,000204,920,00006/22/2143,702,000
(01/06/23

Full list of artists study from Chartmaster so far:


chartmasters.org

Top artists (daily update) - ChartMasters

The CSPC list is quite simply the most accurate, up to date list of best selling artists of all time available online. Click and enjoy!
chartmasters.org
 
filmandmusic said:
Now I’m waiting for someone to come up with a list of artists with most 100 million streamed tracks.
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Apparently BTS have 100 songs with over 100 million streams. I saw this in passing, didn't stop to investigate. It was on chartdata which I always bypass in favour of mjchartdata. That is one scary statistic!

filmandmusic said:
MJ with 24 should be pretty high especially against his peers of the good old days.
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Hopefully up against the legacy artists Michael would be doing OK. Hope so, anyway.
 
@Annita
MJ is the only black artist in the all time top 10 sales list you posted.
It is also almost surreal to see Eminem at nr 10 with a genre that is almost completely dominated by black artists. Did all the white people just jump on the Eminem bandwagon because he is white?
He was big in the 2000s and he still looks to be going super strong but I have ‘t heard new music from him since his “stan” days. I’m surprised he got THIS huge.
 
zinniabooklover said:
Apparently BTS have 100 songs with over 100 million streams. I saw this in passing, didn't stop to investigate. It was on chartdata which I always bypass in favour of mjchartdata. That is one scary statistic!
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Ask me one title and I can’t come up with anything. Guess I’m getting old 😱
 
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