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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I mean, going back to disco or pop/R&B is basically what we're talking about. Throwbacks like that happen all the time. LNFSG wasn't a disco tune but yet, it worked. It was pretty barebones though.

I don't rate many fan mixes that highly anyway tbh, so idk, you kinda lost me. But:


This isn't MJ but it sounds great and very authentic.



I misread this. But I still disagree. Lots of covers, if you count those, remix 80s tunes and sound pretty classy. Silk Sonics own cover of Love Train for one. There was a cool Thundercat remodel of a Ryuichi Sakamoto song before he just passed. And even John McClain/Neff-U's reworks of MJ's tunes were pretty natural. So idk, it's never beholden to their era. The strength of MJs songwriting is how versatile and flexible it is, and how well his voice goes with any genre.

It was never this long, but for the Invincible follow up it would've been. My point is, we never got MJ material annually. It did need to slow down at least a little
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ChanceToDance said:
You know what I mean though, Brody wanted the songs to be as natural as possible and it's really hard to imagine a song of MJ's outside of the 80's to be remixed into a song from that time period. Just check the 80's fan-made recreations on YT, most if not all of them sound out of place, except for the remixes that are from songs from the 80's in fact. Even 80's songs remixed into other eras sound extremely out of place and just not natural at all.

4-5 years is a long wait already and that's how it was for most MJ albums. Thriller came out 3 years after OTW, Bad came out 5 years after Thriller and Dangerous came out 4 years after Bad and so on. The only exception to that was with BOTDF and Invincible and even then waiting over 8 years for new content is way too long and not right at all.
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Why didn't they remix the songs in a style according to the era? So 'Behind The Mask' sounds cool (but too late 80s) and LNFSG is also nice with a disco beat (although it's a post-Thriller outtake) but not demo is finished sounding like a song from their era..(?)

Is it so hard to find producers to recreate Quincy Jones' sound (somewhat)? Or Teddy's sound?
 
Victorious said:
Why didn't they remix the songs in a style according to the era? So 'Behind The Mask' sounds cool (but too late 80s) and LNFSG is also nice with a disco beat (although it's a post-Thriller outtake) but not demo is finished sounding like a song from their era..(?)

Is it so hard to find producers to recreate Quincy Jones' sound (somewhat)? Or Teddy's sound?
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Probably because they didn't want to?

It doesn't help they they probably legally can't. Or are dissuaded to, by the legal issues with Quincy.
But mostly they're just not trying to. John McClain seems like a producer in his own right. And he's been adapting songs in interesting ways, DYKWYCA made to sound like a Dangerous outtake, before that being discarded for the 2014 electro pop sound. BTM made to sound contemporary with other (mostly) 2000s songs. In a collection it basically did not belong on at all. Much as I love it. Near total outlier.

And then finally, ironic you say teddy since he produced 2/5 of Michael. Aside from 3/4 of those tracks being Casio, the other being Hollywood Tonight, Teddy just hated sounding old. He was annoyed About BOTDF sounding the same, 6 years after it was made. No way he'd be making New Jack Swing now. Styles have simply changed.
 
Alaslam said:
Do you guys think the estate edits the demos they release?
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No. When it comes to anniversary releases (e.g. Thriller 40 or Bad 25), I think they rip the demos off a cassette and put them on the CD.

I think the same was done for the original demos on Xscape. No further mixing done.
 
dethorro said:
No. When it comes to anniversary releases (e.g. Thriller 40 or Bad 25), I think they rip the demos off a cassette and put them on the CD.

I think the same was done for the original demos on Xscape. No further mixing done.
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The demos aren't ripped from cassettes unless that's the only source they have. The reason the demos on xscape sound bad is because they were just thrown on there yeah.

B25 demos were definitely newly mixed, horribly mastered, though.
 
ChanceToDance said:
The part where he talks about MJ starts at 6:30. He said that the Estate reached out to Brody Brown in 2018 to remix some tracks, John McClain gave him some sets of unreleased tracks and let Brody choose what songs to remix. He wanted the tracks to sound "80's style" with "60's style snares" but the Estate wanted another type of sound.

I guess that's the secret producer they mentioned that was working on new singles back in 2018 lol.
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THANKS. He doesn't say anything more about MJ? FYI, I asked Damien Shields to find out if he had more information!
 
I have a question, where could I find the APOM, Speed Demon, Dirty Diana, etc Multitracks/Stems? I dunno if this is the right place to ask but yea
 
This is regarding the I Have This Dream “demo” that is floating around on the net.

If my memory serves me right, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that version was simply made by a fan and serves as his contribution for the competition at that time where fans were suppose to sing their own version of the song and the best one would be featured on the song or something along those lines.


Original instrumental for the competition

Fan version/ winner of the competition
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
If my memory serves me right, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that version was simply made by a fan and serves as his contribution for the competition at that time where fans were suppose to sing their own version of the song and the best one would be featured on the song or something along those lines.


Original instrumental for the competition

Fan version/ winner of the competition
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Damien Shields said he has listened to the MJ version and it's the exact same song as that demo.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Damien Shields said he has listened to the MJ version and it's the exact same song as that demo.
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could it be that the purpose of the competition was that the MJ would record the winners song? I strongly remember something about a competition for this song and given that the instrumental is also floating around with bg vocals gives some credence to that claim but I still can just be mixing up stuff
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Probably because they didn't want to?

It doesn't help they they probably legally can't. Or are dissuaded to, by the legal issues with Quincy.
But mostly they're just not trying to. John McClain seems like a producer in his own right. And he's been adapting songs in interesting ways, DYKWYCA made to sound like a Dangerous outtake, before that being discarded for the 2014 electro pop sound. BTM made to sound contemporary with other (mostly) 2000s songs. In a collection it basically did not belong on at all. Much as I love it. Near total outlier.

And then finally, ironic you say teddy since he produced 2/5 of Michael. Aside from 3/4 of those tracks being Casio, the other being Hollywood Tonight, Teddy just hated sounding old. He was annoyed About BOTDF sounding the same, 6 years after it was made. No way he'd be making New Jack Swing now. Styles have simply changed.
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Even McClain's DYKWYCA didn't sound like a 'Dangerous' outtake imo, although at least it had a 90s feel.
And I think that is such a missed opportunity, they could have made a documentary like Spike Lee's for every album; showing how it was made/influences/technology of the era etc. whilst creating totally new albums emulating those era's. Quincy could even be in it, giving approval while being flattered for his original work. Too late now of course.

And I understand Teddy(or Quincy) not wanting to rework the demo's in their own former styles but I do feel someone had to do that; even 'Work That Body' could be enjoyable as a proper produced New Jack Swing-track. I think fans want the unreleased music to sound like the 'old' MJ, not some temporary-style remix
 
Themidwestcowboy said:
This is regarding the I Have This Dream “demo” that is floating around on the net.

If my memory serves me right, and please correct me if I’m wrong, that version was simply made by a fan and serves as his contribution for the competition at that time where fans were suppose to sing their own version of the song and the best one would be featured on the song or something along those lines.


Original instrumental for the competition

Fan version/ winner of the competition
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That was a 2002 lyric-writing competition that didn’t accept or solicit full recordings. Independent artist Ric Kipp won and flew out to LA to further develop the track, but according to him, MJ never turned up and Carole Bayer Sager decided against using Kipp’s lyrics as they “weren’t up to our standards.” The only version of the song that bears Kipp’s name is the one @ChanceToDance posted—MJ never recorded it.

As for the demo, it’s far too complex and detailed to be a fan submission from 2002—two singers, one rapper, and a full choir? No way. My theory is that MJ had a session singer record the demo, which was then distributed to the participating artists. He’s done it before, and given that it took us well over a decade to identify it as the real deal, it seems like a sure fire way to stave attention away from leaks.
 
ChanceToDance said:
Isn't this the version of the person who won the competition?
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AlwaysThere said:
That was a 2002 lyric-writing competition that didn’t accept or solicit full recordings. Independent artist Ric Kipp won and flew out to LA to further develop the track, but according to him, MJ never turned up and Carole Bayer Sager decided against using Kipp’s lyrics as they “weren’t up to our standards.” The only version of the song that bears Kipp’s name is the one @ChanceToDance posted—MJ never recorded it.

As for the demo, it’s far too complex and detailed to be a fan submission from 2002—two singers, one rapper, and a full choir? No way. My theory is that MJ had a session singer record the demo, which was then distributed to the participating artists. He’s done it before, and given that it took us well over a decade to identify it as the real deal, it seems like a sure fire way to stave attention away from leaks.
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@ChanceToDance
Thank you for sharing that. Wow 2002. Damn I’m getting old.

@AlwaysThere
Thank you for clearing this up. I think you may be spot on regarding this.
 
AlwaysThere said:
As for the demo, it’s far too complex and detailed to be a fan submission from 2002—two singers, one rapper, and a full choir? No way. My theory is that MJ had a session singer record the demo, which was then distributed to the participating artists. He’s done it before, and given that it took us well over a decade to identify it as the real deal, it seems like a sure fire way to stave attention away from leaks.
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And now to spice it up - who do you think is the singer?
 
Yeah TYLA is one of the best unreleased songs that is in the vault imo. GOAL might be my favorite unreleased song though since I became so obsessed with it recently lol. I really hope that the April 2009 mix is more complete than the version that leaked, it would be amazing to hear it finished or in a releasable state.
 
Tehres a bunch of leaks on yt of a 1991 version of work that body? Im guessing not real?
 
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