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Let's end the confusion about MJ's unreleased tracks here

How many songs did Michael produce with Teddy Riley for Invincible?
More than Shout, 2000 Watts, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens?
 
Hot_Street said:
How many songs did Michael produce with Teddy Riley for Invincible?
More than Shout, 2000 Watts, Don't Walk Away, Whatever Happens?
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We don't know because titles such as On My Anger, Vibratonist and Belong 2 are rumours with no proof that they exist. Joy is the only Teddy Riley outtake that's certain to exist.
 
Alaslam said:
I wish we had more information on the demos between Thriller and Bad like Loving You or Al Capone
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Al Capone was written and recorded in 1985 with Roger Troutman and according to Barnes, Rogers contribution were great but they were removed from the later version

Loving You is pretty much another song also recorded at Hayvenhurst.

Barnes said they were at Hayvenhurst recording full songs, not demos…..supposedly Michael didn’t know he had to record another album with Quincy…..had he and Quincy cut ties after Thriller, we probably would’ve gotten an album in 1986 with these songs on there
 
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Alaslam said:
I wish we had more information on the demos between Thriller and Bad like Loving You or Al Capone
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Agreed! In general his whole life between Thriller and Bad is a giant mystery, he was at the height of his fame and creativity yet he gave very few interviews, and those he did give were short and shallow. I can only assume it was the way he wanted it to be, just like the letter he wrote to himself during the Destiny tour.
 
BlackAnon said:
Al Capone was written and recorded in 1985 with Roger Troutman and according to Barnes, Rogers contribution were great but they were removed from the later version

Loving You is pretty much another song also recorded at Hayvenhurst.

Barnes said they were at Hayvenhurst recording full songs, not demos…..supposedly Michael didn’t know he had to record another album with Quincy…..had he and Quincy cut ties after Thriller, we probably would’ve gotten an album in 1986 with these songs on there
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You mean there is another Al Capone version
 
flight85 said:
Agreed! In general his whole life between Thriller and Bad is a giant mystery, he was at the height of his fame and creativity yet he gave very few interviews, and those he did give were short and shallow. I can only assume it was the way he wanted it to be, just like the letter he wrote to himself during the Destiny tour.
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And we're still intrigued 40 years later.
 
Alaslam said:
I wish we had more information on the demos between Thriller and Bad like Loving You or Al Capone
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The best sources of info for this time are going to be Matt Forger and Bill Bottrell. John Barnes also, but he recently passed.

I think Damien Shields did interview Forger and Barnes, so there might be some more info in the book he wrote.
 
Derek1984 said:
I think Damien already did. I haven't been able to read his most recent edition of his book yet. I do know some unreleased songs were talked about. What You Do To Me was one of them.
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Yep he said What You Do to Me has vocals/lyrics and is similar to Free and I'm So Blue
 
I recently looked through the registered songs on ascap and found some songs that I don't think have been discussed in this thread yet.

Kreeton Overture

Pray For Peace

Promise

Slipped Away

Stay

Thank Heaven


And I also found an old list of unreleased songs. It listed songs I never heard of before. They could be easily made up, but maybe someone here knows anything about them.

Secret Passage
Vibrationist
Stop The War
Belong 2
Bad Girl
Do You Want Me
This Is Our Time
Edgar Allan Poe
Far Far Away
 
Promise co-written with Teddy Riley sounds promising (pardon the pun) I'd not heard of that one before, hopefully it's complete.
Nice find mate
 
Scared of the Moon said:
I recently looked through the registered songs on ascap and found some songs that I don't think have been discussed in this thread yet.

Kreeton Overture

Pray For Peace

Promise

Slipped Away

Stay

Thank Heaven


And I also found an old list of unreleased songs. It listed songs I never heard of before. They could be easily made up, but maybe someone here knows anything about them.

Secret Passage
Vibrationist
Stop The War
Belong 2
Bad Girl
Do You Want Me
This Is Our Time
Edgar Allan Poe
Far Far Away
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Kreeton Overture is an Instrumental Intro for Victory Tour
 
Scared of the Moon said:
I recently looked through the registered songs on ascap and found some songs that I don't think have been discussed in this thread yet.

Kreeton Overture

Pray For Peace

Promise

Slipped Away

Stay

Thank Heaven


And I also found an old list of unreleased songs. It listed songs I never heard of before. They could be easily made up, but maybe someone here knows anything about them.

Secret Passage
Vibrationist
Stop The War
Belong 2
Bad Girl
Do You Want Me
This Is Our Time
Edgar Allan Poe
Far Far Away
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“Kreeton Overture” is the Victory Tour intro.

“Pray for Peace” is an anomaly. Joe Vogel originally said it was from 2002-2003, but I’ve yet to see evidence confirming as such. I believe this was also the rumored title “All in Your Name,” but I may be mistaken.

“Promise” is one I spotted a year or so ago. Very interested in it.

“Slipped Away” is, if I recall correctly, a Triumph outtake.

“Stay” is a Bryan Loren collaboration from the Dangerous sessions. No clue on its completion.

“Thank Heaven” is from the Invincible sessions. The version registered with the US Copyright Office features a session vocalist and a full choir, and MJ appears with a spoken word intro dedicating the song to Prince. It was on the list of songs he wanted to continue working on in London.

“Stop the War” is the early version of “We’ve Had Enough,” if I’m not mistaken.

“Secret Passage,” “Belong 2,” “Do You Want Me,” “This Is Our Time,” and “Edgar Allan Poe” don’t exist. They’re rumored titles that have been circulating since the dawn of MJJC.

“Bad Girl” is from early 1986.

“Far, Far Away” was cited in MJ’s 1993 deposition. It allegedly has vocals, though Chris Cadman emphasized that the amount and their completion is up for debate.
 
MJbr2 said:
And titles from the Bad sessions keep popping up still.
Jesus, just give us a complete boxset of Bad in the style of the Sign O The Times one and don't discard them even if they're incomplete.
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I've said it before but I'll say it again - realistically speaking they're never going to make a boxset, but they could very well make more Bad re-issues while still saving the best, most complete songs for other albums. They still have tons of options available that could make for great tracklists.
 
Slipped Away seems like it could've been a demo or working title for Time Waits For No One.

Or it could be an entirely different song, don't know. Thought Marlon might have been involved with that one.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I've said it before but I'll say it again - realistically speaking they're never going to make a boxset, but they could very well make more Bad re-issues while still saving the best, most complete songs for other albums. They still have tons of options available that could make for great tracklists.
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Yeah, Bad 40 is very likely. Especially since they'd just repackage Bad 25 and maybe 4 more new songs. And We Are Here To Change The World. And Streetwalker again. And even Sunset Driver again, since he also worked on it for Bad apparently? Lol
 
MJbr2 said:
And titles from the Bad sessions keep popping up still.
Jesus, just give us a complete boxset of Bad in the style of the Sign O The Times one and don't discard them even if they're incomplete.
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This one was actually listed in his ‘93 deposition!

But there are a handful of titles that still haven’t made it out to the public, I’m sure.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, Bad 40 is very likely. Especially since they'd just repackage Bad 25 and maybe 4 more new songs. And We Are Here To Change The World. And Streetwalker again. And even Sunset Driver again, since he also worked on it for Bad apparently? Lol
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If they got on the good side of QJ (which I doubt), I bet they would release Streetwalker '87, no way they would release Streetwalker '88 a third time lmao.

I believe there is a longer version of WAHTCTW, but I may be wrong, if it exists, then that would be cool if they put it in there.

I feel like if Bad 40 were to come out, it would also have a sleeve case like thriller 40 lol, I also see new songs being songs that were considered for Bad 25, as they could have been mastered or almost mastered for Bad 25, like What You Do to Me or even TYLA
 
threepea11 said:
If they got on the good side of QJ (which I doubt), I bet they would release Streetwalker '87, no way they would release Streetwalker '88 a third time lmao.

I believe there is a longer version of WAHTCTW, but I may be wrong, if it exists, then that would be cool if they put it in there.

I feel like if Bad 40 were to come out, it would also have a sleeve case like thriller 40 lol, I also see new songs being songs that were considered for Bad 25, as they could have been mastered or almost mastered for Bad 25, like What You Do to Me or even TYLA
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i'd say a Bad 40 would have demos of tracks already out similar to how many tracks thriller 40 reused, so tracks like:

SOPYHO (87 demo)
Tabloid Jungle
Earth Song (88 Demo)
Cheater
We are here to change the world


those along with maybe some unfinished tracks are very likely to be on it.
 
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