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Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

OnirMJ said:
Mods, BAN this user ASAP. We don't need this here.
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I've reported his ass, we really, really don't need this here. I hope he's gone ASAP. These are the same kind of clowns that started posting here after LN aired, claiming to be fans and then trying to poison us with their ridiculous nonsense. My ass, that they are fans.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
Yes let's all laugh at me, a fan who's just worried that his music idol is potentially a paedophile (and for good reason)
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If you are on the fense, study the evidence. This should reassure you of his innocence.
Chandlers? - Extortionists (Jordan never spoke to Evan after this and privately admitted MJ didnt abuse him)
Arvisos? - Con artists (Lost in court)
Wade & James? - Outright liars looking for $$ (Holes in their stories, timelines etc)
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
Yes let's all laugh at me, a fan who's just worried that his music idol is potentially a paedophile (and for good reason)
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Who's worried and doing nothing to actually change his mind or alleviate his concerns.

I know what subversion looks like. If you really care about putting your doubts to rest you'd do so.

And I thought you're worried he'd be incriminated as one, that you believe he was innocent?

Stop winding people up. I'm pretty sure there used to be somebody that would do this same thing on MaxJax, maybe I'm not remembering right. But it's funny how there's always one person.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
And here you show you've not done any research whatsoever. Read up on it at Vindicate MJ for the facts, or not, I really don't care anymore. Acting like as if we don't know what that is, please.
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How have I not? Who are you to tell me that I've not done any research? I've done plenty over the years buddy.

You simply cannot take heat otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive and aggressive.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
If you are on the fense, study the evidence. This should reassure you of his innocence.
Chandlers? - Extortionists (Jordan never spoke to Evan after this and privately admitted MJ didnt abuse him)
Arvisos? - Con artists (Lost in court)
Wade & James? - Outright liars looking for $$ (Holes in their stories, timelines etc)
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At this point it's a waste of time trying to bother with folks like this. He claims he's done years of research, which I highly doubt because no sane person would go around and say the crap he's saying here.

It's quite clearly a troll.
 
Anyway, before this gets lost in the bologna, the only thing this comes down to is people arguing what's "morally" acceptable. Some people are so suspicious of everything, some people are actually optimistic about the state of humanity. Michael wanted to open a children's hospital for crying out loud, he was completely about taking care of the children.

What the estate needs to do anyway is establish MJ (and the estate) legally did nothing wrong. And they did not. Morally they didn't either, the most they can say is "it looks suspicious", but some people are so defensive of their children that they should just keep them in a bubble forever, except when it's time to go the targeting range, I mean, public school. Where there are also predators, in the gym, in the class, among fellow students, everywhere.. but that's just life, toughen up I guess.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Anyway, before this gets lost in the bologna, the only thing this comes down to is people arguing what's "morally" acceptable. Some people are so suspicious of everything, some people are actually optimistic about the state of humanity. Michael wanted to open a children's hospital for crying out loud, he was completely about taking care of the children.

What the estate needs to do anyway is establish MJ (and the estate) legally did nothing wrong. And they did not. Morally they didn't either, the most they can say is "it looks suspicious", but some people are so defensive of their children that they should just keep them in a bubble forever, except when it's time to go the targeting range, I mean, public school. Where there are also predators, in the gym, in the class, among fellow students, everywhere.. but that's just life, toughen up I guess.
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I think it is important to be protective for children because they are vulnarable and people with kids can relate to the fear that something bad (or real pedophiles) happens to them or do them harm.

I understand michaels perspective on his message of spreading love and loving the innocence of children. The reason why he wanted to hang out with kids are logical considering his childhood combined with all his humanitarian work related to children in need. And obviously building Neverland, a place for (ill) children to have the time of their lives. Also he was fully open with it, which makes it less suspicious than trying to hide it.

There is only one thing that bothers me a little bit is that people here think it is 'ok' for an adult to hang out with children and act like this is normal. Even with Michael, and all the things I just mentioned, and that people are protective of children and that an adult hanging with children it simply a little odd in our current society, which makes it morally wrong to do. People think his behaviour was questionable for a reason, which indicates that we don't 'accept' it in our (western) society. (I dont know how other parts of the world though about these topics)

But most people here agree that Michael is innocent and have done their research, which is very important. But if people have an open mind and a different opinion, we shouldn't call them ''trolls'', people can have some valid points.
 
MJImpeccable said:
There is only one thing that bothers me a little bit is that people here think it is 'ok' for an adult to hang out with children and act like this is normal.
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No, it is not "ok". We all should know this. Or really that, even if you have no harm intended for a child, there are people that do. And there should be therefore be a respectful distance maintained.
 
Ultimately, regardless of his reasoning behind spending time with children, and whether or not you agree that it was a morally right thing to do, those were his reasons and he believed it.
The lost childhood, the caring for children, Neverland etc... Michael believed that he was doing the right thing. Negative opinions didn't matter to him.

And it doesn't matter now. Whether you agree with his reasoning or not, doubting that it comes from a good place is just naive. Did it look good, maybe not. Was it malicious, never!

I don't care how you look at it or what your opinion is, Michael didn't care either. He believed he was doing a good thing and it was from a good place. He wasn't a pedofile. He wasn't a monster.
 
Also, MJs reputation was never "tarnished". In fact I'd say he has had the most successful bounce back of any accused person ever. He performed for dignitaries, appeared at multiple award shows, won several. Was allowed to endorse charities. Had appearances in certain movies, and even in a Sega video game (Space Channel 5). He might not have been endorsed by Pepsi, but, Pepsi sucks anyway. Coke would never have dumped him, or burned him.

And it's not like they ever caught Roman Polanski.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I think it is important to be protective for children because they are vulnarable and people with kids can relate to the fear that something bad (or real pedophiles) happens to them or do them harm.

I understand michaels perspective on his message of spreading love and loving the innocence of children. The reason why he wanted to hang out with kids are logical considering his childhood combined with all his humanitarian work related to children in need. And obviously building Neverland, a place for (ill) children to have the time of their lives. Also he was fully open with it, which makes it less suspicious than trying to hide it.

There is only one thing that bothers me a little bit is that people here think it is 'ok' for an adult to hang out with children and act like this is normal. Even with Michael, and all the things I just mentioned, and that people are protective of children and that an adult hanging with children it simply a little odd in our current society, which makes it morally wrong to do. People think his behaviour was questionable for a reason, which indicates that we don't 'accept' it in our (western) society. (I dont know how other parts of the world though about these topics)

But most people here agree that Michael is innocent and have done their research, which is very important. But if people have an open mind and a different opinion, we shouldn't call them ''trolls'', people can have some valid points.
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Except when it's just crystal clear they are here to rile people. Saying that Wade and James could be telling the truth is really not the kind of crap we need here. At this point it's well known what those two men are all about. People that say he's potentially a pedophile, and with good reason to believe so are not here to have a different opinion, let alone valid points. These are the exact same kind of people that came here after LN aired in the hopes to sway people towards believing Michael was a disgusting person.

That's really what it all comes down to. Not agreeing with Michael's way of life, questioning if it was normal to hang out with children, or whether he was making himself a target ARE all valid points. Of course he should have known better and that people would respond a kind of way to it.

But to then say "potentially pedophile" "with good reason" and much more....I'm sorry, but at that point you cross a line and you really are a troll. There is no other way to put it. And especially at times like these where the "MJFam" needs to stick together we really can't use such utter nonsense. It has no place in here at all.

I'm sure those two opportunists have a forum of their own, or some kind of hangout. Or hell, maybe these people should go follow uncle pervy's "dance classes".

Sorry, but absolutely not sorry.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Also, MJs reputation was never "tarnished". In fact I'd say he has had the most successful bounce back of any accused person ever. He performed for dignitaries, appeared at multiple award shows, won several. Was allowed to endorse charities. Had appearances in certain movies, and even in a Sega video game (Space Channel 5). He might not have been endorsed by Pepsi, but, Pepsi sucks anyway. Coke would never have dumped him, or burned him.

And it's not like they ever caught Roman Polanski.
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OMG I've seen some shit posted but this takes this biscuit.

How the hell can you say that his reputation was not tarnished by these allegations, 93 and then 05?

Michael was never looked at the same way again. These allegations have stuck with him for 3 decades.

You are truly living in cuckoo land if you don't think they had any impact on his career.

Every Michael Jackson related content is met with people saying he's a nonce or paedophile.
 
Long story short....

his way of living, shit, go ahead if you must, he made mistakes, nobody is perfect. But he sure wasn't evil. Exact opposite of it.

Talk shit intentionally to rile folks up, say he could potentially be a pedophile, that there's good reason to believe it =

GET THE **** OUT!

And I genuinely hope mods take a good look at this thread. It's much needed.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
OMG I've seen some shit posted but this takes this biscuit.

How the hell can you say that his reputation was not tarnished by these allegations, 93 and then 05?

Michael was never looked at the same way again. These allegations have stuck with him for 3 decades.

You are truly living in cuckoo land if you don't think they had any impact on his career.

Every Michael Jackson related content is met with people saying he's a nonce or paedophile.
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Guys he clearly has a point here. Even though Michael Jackson remained very succesfull and loved by a big part of the public, he also had a lot of doubters and haters due to the controversies. Just look on social media, there are even to this day people trying to mock him or bully him and people believe them or even participate. We as fans know a lot of Michael but most people still have a questionable image of him besides his succes as an artist.

It might not have been "tarnished" but his reputation was clearly damaged up till this day, but it shows Michaels longetivity and artistry that even these controversies, allegations and hateful media stull couldn't take him down and he remainded loved and succesfull, while other artists would simply vanish and be irrelavent.

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Also, MJs reputation was never "tarnished". In fact I'd say he has had the most successful bounce back of any accused person ever. He performed for dignitaries, appeared at multiple award shows, won several. Was allowed to endorse charities. Had appearances in certain movies, and even in a Sega video game (Space Channel 5). He might not have been endorsed by Pepsi, but, Pepsi sucks anyway. Coke would never have dumped him, or burned him.
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This shows Michaels power indeed and why is the best.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Long story short....

his way of living, shit, go ahead if you must, he made mistakes, nobody is perfect. But he sure wasn't evil. Exact opposite of it.

Talk shit intentionally to rile folks up, say he could potentially be a pedophile, that there's good reason to believe it =

GET THE **** OUT!

And I genuinely hope mods take a good look at this thread. It's much needed.
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You get the **** out!!!! ****** prick
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
You get the **** out!!!! ****** prick
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So you pretty much confirm you ARE indeed riling people up intentionally here. And we've seen your posts about believing Wade and James, you saying Michael potentially being a pedophile. Seriously clown, what the hell are you even doing here? You aren't fooling anyone here.

Truly hope you get removed from here.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
OMG I've seen some shit posted but this takes this biscuit.

How the hell can you say that his reputation was not tarnished by these allegations, 93 and then 05?

Michael was never looked at the same way again. These allegations have stuck with him for 3 decades.

You are truly living in cuckoo land if you don't think they had any impact on his career.

Every Michael Jackson related content is met with people saying he's a nonce or paedophile.
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Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

The same way as what? They had been saying all of that since the Eighties, they had been speculating about his sexuality since the Seventies. When even South Park gives you an almost gentle, kinda nuanced representation, they pick ON EVERYBODY. Controversial or not. And they didn't even say anything that bad. Comedians don't count because they also pick on everybody, they tried talking more about his face then anything. They didn't really view him that suspiciously. The blanket incident drew more outright ire than anything.

Every body has their critics and every discussion has its naysayers. And you are case in point proof of that anyway.
 
Not gonna lie, I kinda wish the estate had hired Wade's talentless ass for the musical. He never ever would have decided to back stab MJ, he would still be singing his praises like he had been doing constantly after MJ passed away, nobody would have known wtf a James Safechuck or Dan Reed was and Leaving Neverland wouldn't even have existed.

At the same time, Wade doesn't deserve to be part of such a thing like the musical. See, if you just do some fact checking on this clown you'll soon find out what he's all about. It doesn't even take hours of research either. Yet some "fans" want to be all like.....well, he could be telling the truth.

Bitch please.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

The same way as what? They had been saying all of that since the Eighties, they had been speculating about his sexuality since the Seventies. When even South Park gives you an almost gentle, kinda nuanced representation, they pick ON EVERYBODY. Controversial or not. And they didn't even say anything that bad. Comedians don't count because they also pick on everybody, they tried talking more about his face then anything. They didn't really view him that suspiciously. The blanket incident drew more outright ire than anything.

Every body has their critics and every discussion has its naysayers. And you are case in point proof of that anyway.
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His reputation, maybe, was tarnished. People looked the man, suspiciously. Everybody knew and trusted the musician, we'll just say that. His *Legacy* has literally never been called into question. But at the same time, they've been trying to dethrone him ever since the 80s, that has nothing to do with the allegations.

We also forget most of that passed after his death, and even now, there's way more skepticism here than there has been with R.Kelly. MJ is literally charting higher than ever actually, and that's with barely any promotion.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
His reputation, maybe, was tarnished. People looked the man, suspiciously. Everybody knew and trusted the musician, we'll just say that. His *Legacy* has literally never been called into question. But at the same time, they've been trying to dethrone him ever since the 80s, that has nothing to do with the allegationsy a

We also forget most of that passed after his death, and even now, there's way more skepticism here than there has been with R.Kelly. MJ is literally charting higher than ever actually, and that's with barely any promotion.
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I dont really agree, his musical legacy is untouchable and not into question.

But the controversies and allegations really impacted his reputation and image which also is blemish on his overall legacy. Everytime Michael was accused, also with LN for example, people did question his overall legacy and whether he should be played on the radio. Luckily we as fans know the thruth, but most 'normal' people base their opinion on what they see in the media. There are still a lot of haters out there who believe he was 'weird', 'a monster' or some other bad words. You can definitely can say that a lot of people and the media still or have questioned his overall legacy.

I mainly hope that the Biopic will make more people understand Michael and show what he has done for the world, the stuff the media doesn't show you because it doesn't sell. I think a lot of people could change their opinion on Michael!.
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
Yes let's all laugh at me, a fan who's just worried that his music idol is potentially a paedophile (and for good reason)
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Reported and hopefully, you will be removed.

You mentioned the p word - The Olympic sin on any forum about Michael.

As for leaving and calling us toxic on page 10 - well don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Everyone else - are you all sick of this troll. Defending Michael from bullshit allegations that have been disprovedn in a court of law multiple times, should have us called crazies or bullies.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I dont really agree, his musical legacy is untouchable and not into question.

But the controversies and allegations really impacted his reputation and image which also is blemish on his overall legacy. Everytime Michael was accused, also with LN for example, people did question his overall legacy and whether he should be played on the radio. Luckily we as fans know the thruth, but most 'normal' people base their opinion on what they see in the media. There are still a lot of haters out there who believe he was 'weird', 'a monster' or some other bad words. You can definitely can say that a lot of people and the media still or have questioned his overall legacy.

I mainly hope that the Biopic will make more people understand Michael and show what he has done for the world, the stuff the media doesn't show you because it doesn't sell. I think a lot of people could change their opinion on Michael!.
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I mean, I'm literally reading a book rn about Pop Music's History, published circa 2014. There's multiple sections about MJ, because of course there is. There's also a whole chapter devoted to MJ. Because of course. It focuses pretty heavily on the music and it has a lot of things to say about how genius it was.

But it's predominantly, J5, Off The Wall, Thriller. It's clearly not a post Thriller MJ fan. And there are tones of what you traditionally read; he's getting stranger, he's lost his appeal. Appearance changed; It isn't "fun" anymore. Self proclaimed King of Pop. And I'm desensitized to that but you might see how the allegations come into play with that.

Really, it's not anything new though; this is the same song and dance since 84, it has literally not had any change in ideal. Because MJ became the biggest, he became the easiest. The easiest target, and the one people took to resenting the most. The author, another hard hitting "music journalist", BoB Stanley, from the UK, the always ever so optimistic UK press machine. He also gets in slams on Prince and Madonna because of course Madonna gets criticized; it's like they only want jaded professionals to keep giving Level 1 Takes.


Even as his reputation was called into question, nobody contests Off The Wall or Thriller. Dare I say that, not even if he was a normal man, if MJ had not achieved the most success of any artist, he would either not be accused, or he would've been pursued harder..not because he's guilty, but because they would be more willing to shut him down. He was both powerful and weak in people's eyes.
 
Surprisingly, on TMZ one of the staff actually defended MJ and doesnt believe Wade's claims. So, it's not just fans that see through his nonsense.

Did Mjs image take hits? Sure, but he is still one of the top selling deceased artists. His music is still being played.
The truth always prevails.
 
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