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Thriller 40th Anniversary

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
But Motown?
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Shot on tape.
AlwaysThere said:
If so, it’s honestly better to just not. AI upscaling isn’t there yet, so “Billie Jean” would just look wonky beside the proper improvement of “Thriller” and “Beat It.” Hopefully the films are found soon.
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I get that, I only bring up ai upscaling because you cant do much with tape. At the rate ai is advancing, I think it will get better soon.

Kai did a great job with Yokohama though, using the latest topaz model.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
They're giving us the exact same documentaries they've given us since MJ was alive. Was "The Making of Thriller" a technical showpiece? That Number Ones bonus video? Thriller 25. It was literally just Quincy arguing with Will.

This is another thing being done seemingly to MJ's specifications, so that's just the way it's been.
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Exactly. The Legend Continues is my favourite doc, but its 87% talking heads like Yoko Ono, Sophia Loren, Cyndi Lauper etc.
 
innuendo141 said:
Exactly. The Legend Continues is my favourite doc, but its 87% talking heads like Yoko Ono, Sophia Loren, Cyndi Lauper etc.
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the new documentary will again be marketing, that sells a product.
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So... any info if this is available worldwide on Paramount+ ? or just US.. and if it's worldwide.. will it be only with subtitles or dubbed?
Wow, estate could really give us a little more info... the fact that you need a paid subscription already is kind of a slap in the face considering how they expected excitement from all of us for one whole year.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
That makes me think actually, @MJbr2, can they clean up the Motown 25 tapes to make that look better or is it too worn for wear?
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Well, an expanded boxset of the Motown show was released in 2016 including more footage (rehearsals by Marvin Gaye and Stevie, for example). Universal/Motown licensed it to a third party to release.
In that set, MJs performance looks better than previous releases (mainly Thriller 25 and HIStory Vol. 2). Sadly, the quality is still capped by DVD limitations.
I don't think the Estate owns the master, but if they did, something good could come out of that. What I can think of now is that Queen's Rainbow 1974 and Hammersmith 1975 were sourced from the same type of tape (1" tape), put on SD BluRay, and they look amazing even being SD.

AlwaysThere said:
Hopefully the films are found soon.
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They won't be found, ever. Steve said in an interview the final edit was done on film and, after it was transferred to tape, the 16mm negatives were discarded. So, anything that existed on 16mm (raw takes and final edit) didn't survive.
 
kai said:
So... any info if this is available worldwide on Paramount+ ? or just US.. and if it's worldwide.. will it be only with subtitles or dubbed?
Wow, estate could really give us a little more info... the fact that you need a paid subscription already is kind of a slap in the face considering how they expected excitement from all of us for one whole year.
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it’s not just a subscription. the only way you can watch this is if you have paramount+ premium PLUS the showtime add on. which is unbelievably stupid
 
MJbr2 said:
They won't be found, ever. Steve said in an interview the final edit was done on film and, after it was transferred to tape, the 16mm negatives were discarded. So, anything that existed on 16mm (raw takes and final edit) didn't survive.
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why would they then shot it on film in first place?
 
MJbr2 said:
They won't be found, ever. Steve said in an interview the final edit was done on film and, after it was transferred to tape, the 16mm negatives were discarded. So, anything that existed on 16mm (raw takes and final edit) didn't survive.
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So where did those outtakes source from?
 
MJbr2 said:
Tape copies from the cutting room (you can see the timecodes).
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Well those tapes look good enough to restore. They can upscale with way better technology like spike Lee did with rock with you. Smh still cannot believe Steve threw away the 16mm...like WHY WOULD YOU FILM IT & PUT IT ON TAPE?? WHY NOT JUST SHOOT ON TAPE LIKE PREVIOUSLY (OTW ERA) Dk what made mj starting using film but thank God he did. I can imagine what the other shorts could look like but...I guess we'll never see them. Smh I have no idea why the estate can't give us 4k Michael!
 
wonderouzmj said:
Well those tapes look good enough to restore.
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They don't.

wonderouzmj said:
Smh still cannot believe Steve threw away the 16mm...like WHY WOULD YOU FILM IT & PUT IT ON TAPE?? WHY NOT JUST SHOOT ON TAPE LIKE PREVIOUSLY (OTW ERA) Dk what made mj starting using film but thank God he did.
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From all the stories told by various people on the matter, I think the low budget was the issue. They probably approached Epic after filming to increase their budget, which didn't happen, and they were left with no choice but to eliminate steps. Hence why both the raw footage and the final edit were discarded after being transferred onto tape.
 
In all fairness, I think the Estate could try working with the 1" tape master of Billie Jean.

A while ago, Queen posted an upgrade of their A Kind of Magic music video, remastered from the original 1" master.
It's not HD quality, but it looks much better than the previous copies available on DVD releases.

 
Fuzball said:
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John do something !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plz FEED YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The WHOLE internet is being fed:eek: :ROFLMAO: ..Boxsets EVERYWHERE from EVERYONE. Even McCartney ....
Feed us~? Why are you doing this lol We are the only fanbase that .... ..... Don't make me go 2 the other side U. :ROFLMAO: 🤷‍♀️
 
Netflix is a horrid service so I'm glad to be free. Too bad they still have majority stakes in the market.

Paramount+ is fine. Unexpected but fine. Glad it wasn't peacock.
 
MJbr2 said:
In all fairness, I think the Estate could try working with the 1" tape master of Billie Jean.

A while ago, Queen posted an upgrade of their A Kind of Magic music video, remastered from the original 1" master.
It's not HD quality, but it looks much better than the previous copies available on DVD releases.

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Yeah, I really don't even need 4K, or even 1080p persay. Just the best quality imaginable, just any kind of enhanced detail.

Beat It can be the start of the new era of MJ video making. Off The Wall clips and Billie Jean, iconic though they are, are relics of their times. But that doesn't change how iconic they are.

And Motown 25 again, maybe will always be SD. Still iconic though.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Yeah, I really don't even need 4K, or even 1080p persay. Just the best quality imaginable, just any kind of enhanced detail.

Beat It can be the start of the new era of MJ video making. Off The Wall clips and Billie Jean, iconic though they are, are relics of their times. But that doesn't change his iconic they are.

And Motown 25 again, maybe will always be SD. Still iconic though.
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People still have this idea stuck in their heads that SD quality is like DVD quality or lower. Those people really have to check a SD BluRay and see for themselves how shit and limited DVD was and still is in terms of quality.

This is what SD footage looks like not using the shitty MPEG2 container DVD uses:


Bear in mind both of these are also tape.
 
MJbr2 said:
People still have this idea stuck in their heads that SD quality is like DVD quality or lower. Those people really have to check a SD BluRay and see for themselves how shit and limited DVD was and still is in terms of quality.

This is what SD footage looks like not using the shitty MPEG2 container DVD uses:


Bear in mind both of these are also tape.
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Yeah, I like SD Blu-Rays. It's a cool concept. If nothing else it's about a smaller file size.
 
For those upset that the Thriller 40 documentary is going to be on Paramount + Showtime and not Netflix; Don't forget that Netflix has a distribution agreement with HBO and would be a conflict of interest. Also the Paramount + Showtime, though is considered a "premium" plan; it's the one most users use. It does not just include Showtime, it rids ads, includes Live TV, & the content is downloadable.
 
Angel_27x said:
it’s not just a subscription. the only way you can watch this is if you have paramount+ premium PLUS the showtime add on. which is unbelievably stupid
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In Scandinavia (and a few more European countries), all you need is Skyshowtime.
 
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