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Thriller 40th Anniversary

I never seen any photos or videos of Joseph on the set but if I'm not mistaken...I think in moonwalker or maybe it was John Landis that said Michael actually kicked/ wanted jo off the set at some point. So no... beating Michael with a brush??? On the set of Thriller?????? After motown 25 & etc....Foh🙄🙄
 
John Landis once ran to the dollar store and bought Michael a red, plastic necklace just to keep him happy so they could get some work done that day

Wait.....did they have dollar stores back in the early '80s?? lmao
 
Victorious said:
BUT I do not dismiss it as easily as you either, that's true. Although these are extreme anecdotes (that's why I posted it), I do know MJ could be very difficult (after being a fan since the early 80s). I would never use the words that Quora guy used or 'spoiled brat' or whatever BUT Michael did have mental breakdowns, he was a very lonely, very stubborn, very perfectionistic person, very shy at times but also very determined, a control freak, rather hung out with seniors and minors, he did cry a lot and for the weirdest things, and the relationship with his father was, like this guy said, very different than those of his siblings; or they downplayed it or he dramatized it. Of course you wouldn't see any of that in the 'making of Thriller, no shit Sherlock
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No, they wouldn’t directly show it, but had any of this been true I doubt a making of documentary would have been possible, because you can get a great idea of what the energy and vibe was like on set, based on the footage shown in it. They weren’t shooting a 2 hour long film, but a music video, so there was a limited number of days on which shooting took place. Around 2-3 weeks, I believe.

It’s very hard for me to believe that what was shown in the doc is just a facade and that in actuality Michael was getting beaten on set by his dad and such, when seeing how excited, happy and exuberant Michael was during this period. That’s what I meant by what I wrote above. But, of course, you can and should believe whatever you like.
 
dethorro said:
No, they wouldn’t directly show it, but had any of this been true I doubt a making of documentary would have been possible, because you can get a great idea of what the energy and vibe was like on set, based on the footage shown in it. They weren’t shooting a 2 hour long film, but a music video, so there was a limited number of days on which shooting took place. Around 2-3 weeks, I believe.

It’s very hard for me to believe that what was shown in the doc is just a facade and that in actuality Michael was getting beaten on set by his dad and such, when seeing how excited, happy and exuberant Michael was during this period. That’s what I meant by what I wrote above. But, of course, you can and should believe whatever you like.
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Again I am not sure if I believe it, but I think it's not that far stretched to straight away dismiss it the way it was done here. I know Michael was very nervous during the recording and cried a lot, had a lot of small nervous breakdowns in life and even panic attacks, I also know he had a very dualistic relationship with his father, which was definitely not just fear but also amazing admiration, so a scenario where Joseph (or even other family members) would have to come in to calm MJ down (forcefully or not) after being hysteric from something small just doesn't seem that unbelievable to me, sorry. Again not saying this guy tells the truth or twisted it
 
wonderouzmj said:
I never seen any photos or videos of Joseph on the set but if I'm not mistaken...I think in moonwalker or maybe it was John Landis that said Michael actually kicked/ wanted jo off the set at some point. So no... beating Michael with a brush??? On the set of Thriller?????? After motown 25 & etc....Foh🙄🙄
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People with mental problems don't like (family) interventions
 
Victorious said:
Again I am not sure if I believe it, but I think it's not that far stretched to straight away dismiss it the way it was done here. I know Michael was very nervous during the recording and cried a lot, had a lot of small nervous breakdowns in life and even panic attacks, I also know he had a very dualistic relationship with his father, which was definitely not just fear but also amazing admiration, so a scenario where Joseph (or even other family members) would have to come in to calm MJ down (forcefully or not) after being hysteric from something small just doesn't seem that unbelievable to me, sorry. Again not saying this guy tells the truth or twisted it
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I don't believe the story you send is real cause it looks over-exaggerated and has inconsistencies to believe it is fiction, but I agree with some of your views on MJ which makes the story somewhat plausible.

One thing I realized is that most people on this forum are very sensitive towards any form of negativety towards MJ and dont really have an open mind on some topics. Id also like more of these types of arguments/opinions but fans here dont accept it.
 
Victorious said:
Did you see the 'Thriller 40th Anniversary' documentary? They talk about this video called 'Thriller'
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And you've been quite rightly shut down in here for posting this nonsense so maybe you will get a better reception in a thread dedicated to absolute drivel.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I don't believe the story you send is real cause it looks over-exaggerated and has inconsistencies to believe it is fiction, but I agree with some of your views on MJ which makes the story somewhat plausible.

One thing I realized is that most people on this forum are very sensitive towards any form of negativety towards MJ and dont really have an open mind on some topics. Id also like more of these types of arguments/opinions but fans here dont accept it.
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No one is sensitive about it, were cynical. Because they've made the man the butt of every joke and untruth you can think of for the past 40 years. So you need to approach the topic with a little mavity gravity.

There was a very good, seemingly honest account of MJs life in his last years, by his bodyguards. When Bruce Swedien tells his stories about MJ crying, I'm inclined to believe him. There's loads of confirmed tales of MJ having emotional struggles. And with good reason.

But not some "anonymous source" on a website that isn't validated.
 
Zack44 said:
Branca has mentioned in the past that MJ wanted him to burn the negatives before convincing him to put the disclaimer at the start of the video. It's ironic he didn't tell that story for this doc.
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You can see it another way, that MJ had principles and beliefs, regardless of how you feel about them, that he was persuaded to disregard and compromise on. By a greedy businessman (Branca) who may or may not have had MJs ultimate good in mind. Who's still now alive and reaping all the benefits of MJs talent and creativity while MJ.... Is pushing up daisies.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
No one is sensitive about it, were cynical. Because they've made the man the butt of every joke and untruth you can think of for the past 40 years. So you need to approach the topic with a little mavity gravity.

There was a very good, seemingly honest account of MJs life in his last years, by his bodyguards. When Bruce Swedien tells his stories about MJ crying, I'm inclined to believe him. There's loads of confirmed tales of MJ having emotional struggles. And with good reason.

But not some "anonymous source" on a website that isn't validated.
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I said I agree the story by anonymous source is most likely made-up. Being cynical is also good.

And yes, I will also always defend Michael when other people mock him or have falso info or whatever. The way Michael was mocked, fake stories spread, etc. in his life is disgusting..

But from my experience is that a lot of fans are really sensitive on any form of negativety towards and not just on this forum, also on social media for example. If you think people here arent sensitive than you lack reality.

And I get it, Michael had a tough life which is what makes him so interesting to me, he was so misunderstood and was used for other peoples gain or easy stupid jokes.

So we as fans all have to defend him, but defending does not mean to blindly combat any negativety or not good stories about him or peoples opinions or whatever, there is so much interesting Michaels life and persona to discuss, even his 'flaws' are interesting.
 
MJImpeccable said:
If you think people here arent sensitive than you lack reality.
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The word sensitive is very, aggravating to me, not gonna lie.

According to some people we're already deluded and blind for thinking anything good about him at all.

It's almost like humanity is doomed to hatred and condemning one another forever or something.

But as it is, it can go too far the other way. The people who herald MJ as the second coming of Christ or the sole musical genius in his works are just as aggravating to me.
 
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MJImpeccable said:
So we as fans all have to defend him, but defending does not mean to blindly combat any negativety or not good stories about him or peoples opinions or whatever, there is so much interesting Michaels life and persona to discuss, even his 'flaws' are interesting.
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This is very true, and I think the same thing about the blind defensiveness sometimes. I've even seen some defending the baby dangling incident which is insane
 
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now. Just because we're rational doesn't mean we need to derail. Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.

The things he did I don't like, I try not to bring up. What would you wanna be remembered for when you're dead?
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now. Just because we're rational doesn't mean we need to derail. Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.

The things he did I don't like, I try not to bring up. What would you wanna be remembered for when you're dead?
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(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that, Im just saying that we dont have to obsessively defend everything he did or as you say, not talk about things which puts a 'bad light' on him (both of these are actually irrational and immature).

(2) Obviously we are here to celebrate his life and craftmanship, but some flaws are part of his life and shouldnt be ignored or not brought up like you suggest. It was a part of who he was and thats fine.

(3) Id rather be both remember for my achievements, kindness and mistakes so people or my kids can learn from them, its a part of life and nobody is perfect.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Especially when this was brought on by an inane, completely ridiculous tall tale by an anonymous source.
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I thought we agreed that MJ was stilll scared shitless of Joe around Thriller; cried a lot, could be very, very dissapointed with small stuff, had a lot of breakdowns and even manies. So yeah the story might be false, it might be exaggerated or out of context but 'inane and completely ridiuclous' it is not
 
MJImpeccable said:
(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that,
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It's not up to you. But this is gonna get away from you so, whatever. The mods will just have to have their way.
MJImpeccable said:
not talk about things which puts a 'bad light' on him
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And there's very little that really does to be true. Complaining about Invincible doesn't count. The Blanket incident, sure, that was pretty bad.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
MJImpeccable said:
(1) nobody said we are going to start talking about all that.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
,It's not up to you. But this is gonna get away from you so, whatever. The mods will just have to have their way.
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Sorry I dont understand what you mean. I reffered to this:
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
We are not gonna start talking about all the times MJ was an idiot now.
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
And there's very little that really does to be true. Complaining about Invincible doesn't count. The Blanket incident, sure, that was pretty bad.
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I know there isnt that much but michael was a much talked about person for a reason, he was eccentric, and there are topics on his life which can have interesting debates/conversations.

But lets stop this cause its getting off topic.
 
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