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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Sisoqqq said:
Thanks do you think Michael recorded lead vocals for this song ?
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firmware-god said:
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Bottrell saying that about Brad & the tapes surprises me, but it does make sense to an amount considering the sheer amount of tracks & tapes brad has on his laptops. I do wonder if Bottrell could iterate on the situation as if Brad stole the tapes I'd be shocked. would explain why he never went after the 2023 january leaks legally though.
 
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isn't it striking that BS seem to have so many 80s demos in his possesion whereas BB seemingly hasn't?

The latter has worked as a producer; the former was just a running guy in the studio.
 
BlackAnon said:
Has anyone from Michael's team discussed the songs recorded at Caribou?


Cheater is pre-hayvenhurst? I wonder where it was recorded if not at home. John [Barnes] said Michael recorded at multiple studios, not just home and Westlake.

Turnin Me Off really makes Bill want to turn it off...he doesn't seem fond of this one. John [Barnes] also said the song kind of came and went

Brad not having access to Hayvenhurst until it was time to bring the selected songs to Westlake? The way he worded this sounds like the material was stolen but Michael had to give access right?
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One would think that some of Buffalo Bill was recorded at Caribou since Buffalo Bill Cody's grave is near the same area in Colorado. Maybe as some sort of inspiration. Wish somebody would deep dive into this.
 
Beano Wild said:
Bottrell saying that about Brad & the tapes surprises me, but it does make sense to an amount considering the sheer amount of tracks & tapes brad has on his laptops. I do wonder if Bottrell could iterate on the situation as if Brad stole the tapes I'd be shocked. would explain why he never went after the 2023 january leaks legally though.
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Hasn't Bottrell been a guest at Brad's In the Studio seminar? So at least you have to think there are no hard feelings?
 
Fuzball said:
isn't it striking that BS seem to have so many 80s demos in his possesion whereas BB seemingly hasn't?

The latter has worked as a producer; the former was just a running guy in the studio.
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Bruce Swedien was MJs greatest studio partner.
 
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Derek1984 said:
One would think that some of Buffalo Bill was recorded at Caribou since Buffalo Bill Cody's grave is near the same area in Colorado. Maybe as some sort of inspiration. Wish somebody would deep dive into this.
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We only have loose slices of info regarding Buffalo Bill.

  • Rolling Stone magazine mentions in their March '84 issue Buffalo Bill as a title from The Jacksons upcoming Victory album.

  • Bill Bottrell has heard the song in 1984 at Soundcastle while working on other songs for Victory.

  • Bruce Swedien has mentioned that he's worked on it - probably just recorded the symphonic intro; date unknown. According to Bruce the song's not finished at that time.

  • According to John van Nest, Bruce Swedien came to Image Recording for working with MJ on a couple of songs for Victory. No info on worked songs. Year's 1983.
 
JohnC said:
Yes - like most of Loren's songs, it sounds like something Jam & Lewis cooked up for Rhythm Nation after accidentally sitting on a drum machine.
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Do you think men in black have MJ lead vocals .did you heard it ?
 
FlyAway0086 said:
It was recorded in late December 1986. I believe the September 1988 dates were when some rough mixes were done.
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What's the source TYLA being recorded (at Westlake?) in December '86?

If true, this would mean Bruce Swedien most likely had made a slave copy for his own archive.
 
Fuzball said:
What's the source TYLA being recorded (at Westlake?) in December '86?

If true, this would mean Bruce Swedien most likely had made a slave copy for his own archive.
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Can you ask bill Botrell about tomboy please
 
Fuzball said:
I second this. There's conflicting info whether truth bout youth has complete LV or not.
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Truth about youth doesn't have MJ vocals, only LL Cool J. On the other side, "All about youth" does have complete BGVs by MJ during choruses.
 
Bill Bottrell's comments were interesting yesterday, I wonder why he didn't like Turning Me Off?

As for the Brad Sundberg stuff, maybe Bill just meant that Brad was sent to collect all the tapes to stop anybody working on the album aside from Quincy and the "A Team". That's a guess on my part though

It's so interesting that Cheater was pre Hayvenhurst, I would have thought it was a later outtake if anything, given that Greg Phillinganes was a co-writer on it and he mainly worked with the A Team. I love all this new information
 
Fuzball said:
You've already asked Bill about it multiple times.

And Joe Vogel has even confirmed to you that Tomboy has vocals.

SMH
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Bill never answered me Joe Vogel maybe he is wrong because he said about shut up and dance incomplete vocals
 
Fuzball said:
^1983 - 1986 period is fascinating and full of surprises
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It is isn't mate!

It's honestly one of the most fascinating periods in his career. There's so much mystery to it and every time we get a question answered, it leaves us with a question more.

I would be fascinated to know if vocals were re-recorded closer to the album release? Mike's voice sounds so different to how it sounds on the Victory Album and Tour, it's crazy to me.
 
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