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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Bill Bottrell's comments were interesting yesterday, I wonder why he didn't like Turning Me Off?

As for the Brad Sundberg stuff, maybe Bill just meant that Brad was sent to collect all the tapes to stop anybody working on the album aside from Quincy and the "A Team". That's a guess on my part though

It's so interesting that Cheater was pre Hayvenhurst, I would have thought it was a later outtake if anything, given that Greg Phillinganes was a co-writer on it and he mainly worked with the A Team. I love all this new information
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Greg also worked on his version of Behind the Mask and re-worked The Jacksons' "Power" as "Playin' With Fire" in 1984. It's no surprise that he would be working on Cheater around the same time.
 
Victorious said:
No I haven't searched yet.. don't know where to begin haha (and Sazam didn't find it lol)
I mean I do suspect it's fake and some of the vocals might be from 'Brad what you gonna do' but I'm not totally sure..

Can someone please back up why they believe this is a fake snippet, and if so what the true origins of the music and the vocals are?

@Mister_Jay_Tee do you think the music is from a Prince track?
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It reminds me a Sonic CD track.
 
Bill seems to delete some of his tweets after a while.

When asked about his participation on Apocalypse Now he's denied & he's never seen any tape box with that title. Probably another song MJ had worked on with Brian Malouf??
 
SmoothMel7 said:
Did you participate in John Barnes' song "Buffalo Bill"? MJ reportedly worked on this song for the albums Victory, Bad and Dangerous

Bill Botrell :

Early days at H'hurst. Never after that

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All I remember is:

Who shot Buffalo Bill?
They said he shot a lot
Did he ever get killed?


Not my favorite


Wishing a couple weeks we were working on Smooth Criminal.


https://twitter.com/x/status/1783796462960484777
 

Unless I’m dumb and someone already talked about this video, what are you thoughts on it? And What should i think of It?
 
Misleading title and cover aside, it's supposed to be a video about "Sexy Lady." A song by someone who was desperately trying to imitate MJ that went viral in 2009. After a lot of research on the r/Lostwave subreddit, the singer behind this song was found.


It is one of those many songs that were being passed off as new unreleased songs, like "Danger Is The Game," if y'all remember

 
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Never forget that time after the Brad Sunderberg Leaks where that website hosting most of the tracks got completely eviscerated with C&Ds within a day lol.
 
I think it's fair to say that between Bad and Dangerous, Bad has so many great outtakes, but Dangerous outtakes were so good that MJ just had to use them.

But it's really up in the air. Especially when you have to decide if songs like Earth Song is a bad outtake or a Dangerous outtakes? (it's basically Bad)
 
After the Bill Bottrell tweets, is there now enough information to put together a rough timeline of the '83 - '86 period? I've always wanted to know the recording order of Cheater, Scared of the Moon, Loving You, Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945 etc. It's never helped that the Ultimate Collection liner notes are so inaccurate.
 
robotchicken14 said:
After the Bill Bottrell tweets, is there now enough information to put together a rough timeline of the '83 - '86 period? I've always wanted to know the recording order of Cheater, Scared of the Moon, Loving You, Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945 etc. It's never helped that the Ultimate Collection liner notes are so inaccurate.
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I wonder which apprentice is responsible for the 2002 release of Unbreakable...
 
robotchicken14 said:
After the Bill Bottrell tweets, is there now enough information to put together a rough timeline of the '83 - '86 period? I've always wanted to know the recording order of Cheater, Scared of the Moon, Loving You, Buffalo Bill, Chicago 1945 etc. It's never helped that the Ultimate Collection liner notes are so inaccurate.
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With respect to Bottrell, his memory isn’t the sharpest in terms of timelines. He once insisted that “Streetwalker” was born during the Bad tour and not in mid-1986, and couldn’t recall “I’m So Blue” despite having engineered it. Not to say that he’s wrong (especially when he’s looking at session calendars), but it’s worth keeping in mind that he may have things mistaken.
 
threepea11 said:

Unless I’m dumb and someone already talked about this video, what are you thoughts on it? And What should i think of It?
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Stumbled upon this video the other day, after hearing the snippet at the beginning of the video this whole thing felt so stupid because the track sounds nothing like MJ and I don't remember anyone in 2009 thinking this track was real
 
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Did Michael recorded song called dreams ? There is lot of titles unreleased songs from deposition 1993 we dont know anything about it like far far away ..Luis in love with lunis .and California grass
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I think it's fair to say that between Bad and Dangerous, Bad has so many great outtakes, but Dangerous outtakes were so good that MJ just had to use them.

But it's really up in the air. Especially when you have to decide if songs like Earth Song is a bad outtake or a Dangerous outtakes? (it's basically Bad)
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I’m pretty sure it’s Dangerous. The demo was recorded in 88.
 
Sisoqqq said:
Did Michael recorded song called dreams ? There is lot of titles unreleased songs from deposition 1993 we dont know anything about it like far far away ..Luis in love with lunis .and California grass
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The title "Dreams" was registered with BMI. Not much info on this.

As far as most of the unknown deposition tracks, we all just have to wait and see if more is revealed with time.
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
I’m pretty sure it’s Dangerous. The demo was recorded in 88.
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Fuzball said:
This old tweet of Bottrell gives an idea of how MJs brain was ticking.

I worked on Earth Song for a year.
M. had a lot of songs to work on
E.S. started to languish
I got my friends Steve Ferrone and Guy Pratt to play drums and bass
From then, M. seemed concerned but couldn't describe
Still he sang it, got Andre Crouch and I got George del Barrio for strings.
M. got David Paiche for more keyboards.
M. was still concerned.
I mixed it anyway as the album was wrapping up
M. never got used to something about the direction: too heavy?
It didn't make the album
Later, History sessions, M hired Foster
Worked and worked and by now M. was getting used to my version, Foster expressed his frustration to me at the grammys
My version and mix came out on History with only new vocals in the outro
Legal contract for Foster said he got first credit.
These things happen all the time.

That production, that song, was unique
In that M. was a bit skeptical of the path I took
But didn't stop me. And he didn't release it
Until he was ok with it.
I am so proud of that song and of Michael's wisdom.

Way back in 1986 at Hayvenhurst he and I sat and he screened me "The Emerald Forest" in his theater.
He handed me a vhs tape of it to take home.
He was, even then, choosing me to work on "Earth Song".
I took that mission seriously, and so it was hard when he couldn't quite accept the best version, 4 years later, that we two could come up with together.
And then it didn't matter.

Sometime, as we were no longer working together, he found it as it was, and received it, and released it.
I am grateful for M's patience on this.

David Foster never had a chance against such History.
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