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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Fuzball said:
I'd say it's the opposite, full vocals & not polished production. Why else was it a release candidate in March '84 - just few month before the release of Victory?
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It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
 
BlackAnon said:
It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
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I could see him playing records early for record execs/journalists, but I can't picture him letting a tape make the rounds for DJs, etc. Especially given his perfectionist nature. He'd probably be thinking of edits or overdubs while letting someone listen to it. lol.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
I could see him playing records early for record execs/journalists, but I can't picture him letting a tape make the rounds for DJs, etc. Especially given his perfectionist nature. He'd probably be thinking of edits or overdubs while letting someone listen to it. lol.
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That’s why I doubt it as well because I can’t see Michael shopping around unfinished music…BUT, he did do that with the promo flight tape for Dangerous so it’s not that far fetched
 
BlackAnon said:
If that’s the case, why would John avoid answering? There was something deeper
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It seems like “I Have This Dream” was a hugely controversial project—maybe it has something to do with it? Just speculating, of course. It was also a very sensitive time for MJ, being just a couple months after the trial. Maybe speaking about it was taxing for him.

Whatever the case, I’m sad we’ll never know what he wanted to eventually share with us.
 
FlyAway0086 said:
John Barnes - in my opinion - was one of the greatest figures we had in terms of detailing writing, recording, unreleased tunes, etc. He really went in depth with his answers and you could tell how deeply Michael had impacted his life.
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I agree. Nothing against Quincy but Barnes helped Michael craft his sound post-Thriller.

Messed up how Quincy pushed Barnes and his team out the picture during BAD.
 
BlackAnon said:
It was probably previewed early with intentions on completing in time of the album. Michael was also allegedly shopping the tape around to various DJs during the time, although John Barnes said he doubts that.
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Why would they not bite? Michael Jackson at the height of Thriller? No way this happened.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
I don't remember ever seeing anything other than that on his site. We know she participated in this song because she's already been asked about it by several fans.
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Was it so? I remember fans reaching out to her and asking more about the song and its compleness.

Perhaps I'm misrembering parts of it - it's been a long time since then. But I do remember for sure it was herself who revealed the song title.
 
Fuzball said:
Was it so? I remember fans reaching out to her and asking more about the song and its compleness.

Perhaps I'm misrembering parts of it - it's been a long time since then. But I do remember for sure it was herself who revealed the song title.
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Yes, that was it. I was able to speak with her. She told me she wouldn't say more because she felt she had been betrayed by MJ fans in the past. She confirmed to me that she had indeed sung with him. It was an incredible moment for her. She confirmed to me that it is also this song.
Every time I interview a former collaborator, I'm always told that it was an unforgettable moment and that MJ was an incredible person.
 
I think it's more likely than not that what MJ recorded for HWMTSG was nothing more than a simple guide vocal, MJ was at his lowest point emotionally and wasn't really interested in working on new music at that point in time just yet. The fact that he wouldn't show up to record a final vocal for I Have This Dream and didn't record anything for Light The Way makes me doubt that he'd manage to fully record a song simply like that.

I'm not saying this with certainty but if I were to guess the song is probably as complete as a song like Changes is, given how it's a song that was very much incomplete but MJ still called in other vocalists to sing on it.
 
ChanceToDance said:
I think it's more likely than not that what MJ recorded for HWMTSG was nothing more than a simple guide vocal, MJ was at his lowest point emotionally and wasn't really interested in working on new music at that point in time just yet. The fact that he wouldn't show up to record a final vocal for I Have This Dream and didn't record anything for Light The Way makes me doubt that he'd manage to fully record a song simply like that.

I'm not saying this with certainty but if I were to guess the song is probably as complete as a song like Changes is, given how it's a song that was very much incomplete but MJ still called in other vocalists to sing on it.
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In a first glance you could agree with that, but on the other hand Gloucestershire was also recorded while the Trial was ongoing if I'm not mistaken. Not that I consider it a complete song, but I think Michael was trying to get away from everything through his music. Hence those sessions are IMO one of the most significant sessions of his life.
 
NetflexKing said:
In a first glance you could agree with that, but on the other hand Gloucestershire was also recorded while the Trial was ongoing if I'm not mistaken. Not that I consider it a complete song, but I think Michael was trying to get away from everything through his music. Hence those sessions are IMO one of the most significant sessions of his life.
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Well, we actually don’t have a definitive answer yet. It’s true Gloucestershire was registered in the midst of the trial, but Damien speculated that it was recorded prior.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
Well, we actually don’t have a definitive answer yet. It’s true Gloucestershire was registered in the midst of the trial, but Damien speculated that it was recorded prior.
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I've always been under the impression that it was done slightly before (perhaps late '04). If I recall correctly, Buxer once commented that after December of that year, little to nothing was worked on until the Bahrain sessions.
 
SmoothMel7 said:
# Crack Kills

Nov 4,5,7 "Rap Song"

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It means MJ recorded vocals for crack kills ? Ask him about tomboy if there is vocals we wanted to confirm from him because he worked on it and Al Capone I heard news. there is another version did not released yet and turning me off .did MJ recorded verses or no
 
Sisoqqq said:
It means MJ recorded vocals for crack kills ? Ask him about tomboy if there is vocals we wanted to confirm from him because he worked on it and Al Capone I heard news. there is another version did not released yet and turning me off .did MJ recorded verses or no
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1. Yes there is vocals.

2. Again, yes there is vocals.

3. There is another version with Roger Troutman.

4. IDK about verses, but there is scratch vocals recorded
 
from "Smash Hits" interview, xmas 1982

Who offered you songs that you didn’t accept? I heard there was one by Stevie Wonder?
Well, Stevie had a one which was good. It was a good song, more a danceable-type thing. There was also… ah, what’s his name?

David Grant?
I forget (laughs). There’s so much going on I forget. Steve is incredible. We went with more a danceable one but the song was great.
 
Sisoqqq said:
It means MJ recorded vocals for crack kills ? Ask him about tomboy if there is vocals we wanted to confirm from him because he worked on it and Al Capone I heard news. there is another version did not released yet and turning me off .did MJ recorded verses or no
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JustinC2002 said:
1. Yes there is vocals.

2. Again, yes there is vocals.

3. There is another version with Roger Troutman.

4. IDK about verses, but there is scratch vocals recorded
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John Barnes on Roger Troutman
He worked with us on several early Bad tracks. It wasn't kept but it felt and sounded great. Tomboy and Al Capone.


On if he's featured on the Bad25 version of Al Capone
No he is not.


On if he produced the songs
He just played.


On if he was featured on other songs
Roger was not on smooth criminal or the way you make me feel. As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed. Al Capone had
Roger as a guest Muscian. The track was mostly done when he came in.
 
BlackAnon said:
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I want it from bill Botrell because no one say it have I want more i
BlackAnon said:
John Barnes on Roger Troutman
He worked with us on several early Bad tracks. It wasn't kept but it felt and sounded great. Tomboy and Al Capone.


On if he's featured on the Bad25 version of Al Capone
No he is not.


On if he produced the songs
He just played.


On if he was featured on other songs
Roger was not on smooth criminal or the way you make me feel. As far as tomboy, I didn't nmake it and weas not fully completed. Al Capone had
Roger as a guest Muscian. The track was mostly done when he came in.
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I want to hear tomboy because MJ was dancing with his head in deposition 1993 when they m
BlackAnon said:
John Barnes on Roger Troutman
He worked with us on several early Bad tracks. It wasn't kept but it felt and sounded great. Tomboy and Al Capone.


On if he's featured on the Bad25 version of Al Capone
No he is not.


On if he produced the songs
He just played.


On if he was featured on other songs
Roger was not on smooth criminal or the way you make me feel. As far as tomboy, I didn't make it and was not fully completed. Al Capone had
Roger as a guest Muscian. The track was mostly done when he came in.
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I want to hear tomboy MJ was dancing with his h
 
I can imagine it has some degree of vocals. No idea of completion, as I haven't heard it. And I think we'd all like to hear it, on that note. It's possible Bill didn't even hear the most updated version, as he was dismissed from the sessions after a while by DiLeo.

MJ's head dancing was on point, tho.
 
Fuzball said:
from "Smash Hits" interview, xmas 1982

Who offered you songs that you didn’t accept? I heard there was one by Stevie Wonder?
Well, Stevie had a one which was good. It was a good song, more a danceable-type thing. There was also… ah, what’s his name?

David Grant?
I forget (laughs). There’s so much going on I forget. Steve is incredible. We went with more a danceable one but the song was great.
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Hopefully Michael recorded it, his answer was quite vague to be fair
I wonder if this is A Pretty Face Is?
 
SmoothCriminal1995 said:
Hopefully Michael recorded it, his answer was quite vague to be fair
I wonder if this is A Pretty Face Is?
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I don't think they recorded that.

Michael and I had been talking for some years about doing some songs together. There were two songs that I had written that we talked about doing. One was called A Pretty Face Is and the other was Get It. We've been talking about doing A Pretty Face Is at a later time. - Stevie Wonder
 
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