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A.I Michael - opinions

Honestly, I think AI is scary how realistic it can look. When I first watched the AI Slave to the Rhythm music video I had genuinely believed it was him. I had just learned of Michael's existence and was a very new fan. Once I had learned more about hi. And seen more pictures of him I realized that it wasn't him and that something was off. Don't ask me what cuz I still don't know. There's just something about Michael that AI cannot capture and I don't like it.
 
#applehead24 said:
Honestly, I think AI is scary how realistic it can look. When I first watched the AI Slave to the Rhythm music video I had genuinely believed it was him. I had just learned of Michael's existence and was a very new fan. Once I had learned more about hi. And seen more pictures of him I realized that it wasn't him and that something was off. Don't ask me what cuz I still don't know. There's just something about Michael that AI cannot capture and I don't like it.
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That wasn't AI. That was a computer generated motion captured recreation of an impersonator projected onto a pane of glass. It was 10 years ago anyway.
 
unpopular opinion:

I wouldn't mind sony/estate to use AI on new MJ album but rules are:

1. A.I only can be used to fill gaps. Means when they have incomplete songs where Michael sung only a full chorus or something. I wouldn't mind them to use AI to fix stuff.

2. A.I cannot be used on music.

3. Original Demos should also be released.

i mean.. better use A.I trained on MJs voice than impersonators (2010......)
 
kai said:
unpopular opinion:

I wouldn't mind sony/estate to use AI on new MJ album but rules are:

1. A.I only can be used to fill gaps. Means when they have incomplete songs where Michael sung only a full chorus or something. I wouldn't mind them to use AI to fix stuff.

2. A.I cannot be used on music.

3. Original Demos should also be released.

i mean.. better use A.I trained on MJs voice than impersonators (2010......)
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I agree. If they had been/are 100% open about it I also wouldn't mind if they used/will use impersonators, or a mixture of impersonators/A.I./old vocals tbh. But it should be done in a very transparant and respectful way; show what you do to the tracks (is actually very interesting to see imo) to finish them in the spirit of MJ and the rightful sounds of each era. And only while releasing/giving away the original demo's too!
 
Victorious said:
I agree. If they had been/are 100% open about it I also wouldn't mind if they used/will use impersonators, or a mixture of impersonators/A.I./old vocals tbh. But it should be done in a very transparant and respectful way; show what you do to the tracks (is actually very interesting to see imo) to finish them in the spirit of MJ and the rightful sounds of each era. And only while releasing/giving away the original demo's too!
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best would be to use MJs notes (if there are some) and do what he planned.
 
Beano Wild said:
only thing i'd be somewhat alright with would be background harmonies, but even then its ****** with work that shouldnt be fucked with.
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Xscape was also "****** with work that shouldn't be fucked with" without the use of A.I...
they literally DELETED michaels ideas and made it worse with most of the songs.
 
kai said:
Xscape was also "****** with work that shouldn't be fucked with" without the use of A.I...
they literally DELETED michaels ideas and made it worse with most of the songs.
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Big difference between production and ai voices, one is “modernising” production by other people and one is making vocals that never existed, the definition of putting words in Jackson’s mouth. Don’t even attempt to compare the concept of Xscape & ai.
 
Beano Wild said:
Big difference between production and ai voices, one is “modernising” production by other people and one is making vocals that never existed, the definition of putting words in Jackson’s mouth. Don’t even attempt to compare the concept of Xscape & ai.
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"modernising" = deleting EVERYTHING Michael did?
Nah... don't agree with this.
 
kai said:
"modernising" = deleting EVERYTHING Michael did?
Nah... don't agree with this.
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They did not delete "everything" Michael did, and depending on the song it wasn't even Michael's work, it was Dr. Freeze's or Cory Rooney's (with MJs input).

And they gave the originals just as you proposed doing with the Artificial Intelligence, so there's no difference there even if you have a point.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
They did not delete "everything" Michael did, and depending on the song it wasn't even Michael's work, it was Dr. Freeze's or Cory Rooney's (with MJs input).

And they gave the originals just as you proposed doing with the Artificial Intelligence, so there's no difference there even if you have a point.
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ummm.. they did.
And i remember how timbaland was saying that he did not even listen to the originals when he did his version.
 
Even if they did use ai heavily in a future project, it still wouldn't be nearly as bad as what they did in 2010 imo.
If they can use it to improve the quality or fill in vocals, sure. I don't see a problem with that. They already "put words in MJ's mouth" with every artificial song on that album lol.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Blue Gangsta clearly has elements of the original, as does LNFSG. Slave to The Rhythm is a straight modernization. And they all have his finger snaps throughout
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Doesn’t change the fact that MJ had a different vision for his songs. Even if they used some original elements here and there.
Also Xscape is not timeless because it’s an album full of „trap beats“. MJ Originals are timeless. But that’s just my opinion.
 
kai said:
Also Xscape is not timeless because it’s an album full of „trap beats“. MJ Originals are timeless.
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I think that opinion would be tested when I bring out certain songs by name. But I don't even care about "timeless", some of his best work is timeless, not all of it. All of it to me seems quality and that's the case. Not a lot of his work was lazy. And the little bit that is, well, that's still more effort than a lotta other people's.
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Doesn’t change the fact that MJ had a different vision for his songs.
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Maybe. But I would object to changing the words and vocals way more than the beats.
 
Does someone has a link to the full track?
(This channel uploads mostly fake AI snippets but would be interested to hear this in full)
 
Verses not that convincing in sounding like MJ but still enjoyable mix with sampeling of original leaked snippet
 
-AI is acceptable to use to enhance muddy audio. Even using that tech to create harmonies to flesh out tracks where there are mostly complete vocals but are missing some final touches (a-la dream away) but that's pretty much it. I draw the line at creating entire songs, verses, bridges, or lead vocals and calling it MJ. At that point, why is this ok, but the Cascio tracks aren't?

I've heard the Ai songs that are out there, "finished versions" of MJ songs that use an impersonators vocals w/ ai dubbing. It's cool that we can now get a vision of "what could have been" for some unfinished songs, but officially releasing that stuff would be no better than what was on the Michael album. It's very obvious when the vocals go from that voice that we all know to some crappy impersonator-AI bs.

Refreshing sounds on songs recorded 35+ years ago for a modern album, while having the OG tracks on there is vastly different than wanting to train AI to make someone sound like Michael Jackson. It's fun to imagine and post those "what-if's" on youtube, but if Michael didn't record the vocals for the song, it shouldn't be released officially under the name "Michael Jackson.

But then again, I think some of y'all on here are just weird and take this stuff way too seriously 😂
 
kai said:
Doesn’t change the fact that MJ had a different vision for his songs. Even if they used some original elements here and there.
Also Xscape is not timeless because it’s an album full of „trap beats“. MJ Originals are timeless. But that’s just my opinion.
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that's not what "trap beats" are.
 
FMJP said:
that's not what "trap beats" are.
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then call it typical trap samples/elements. Sorry but to say that Xscape is 100 % respectful is just BS.. i mean listen to "Blue Gansta".. best example of how to ruin a song with trap sounds (and annoying triplets)
 
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