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How would you promote Invincible?

mj_frenzy said:
The 'Invincible' album is not way too long, considering that:

The duration of the 'Dangerous' album is 77:03 minutes long.

The duration of the 'HIStory' album (disc 2) is 77:14 minutes long.

The duration of the 'Blood On The Dance Floor' album is 75:55 minutes long.

The duration of the 'Invincible' album is 77:01 minutes long.

The 'Invincible' album is actually shorter than those other albums.
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Have I said the other’s weren’t too long?
 
There's not really much that could have been done for the album to have sold better. "Butterflies" should have been released worldwide and "Whatever Happens" should have been a single, too, but that's about it. I don't think the album was ever gonna hit 10m copies sold.

I guess they could have also aired a commercial for it during the 30th anniversary special, though lol
 
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I wouldn't worry a out it guys. Not every album can be successful. If you like it, that's fine. Consider it a secret gem. But the album won't get better just because other people buy it or like it.

I guess the sad part is: for most other singers, when they release a bad album, you can always say "don't worry, they will release a better album next year". With MJ, it feels worse because you'd have to wait 4 years, or in this case it would never come.

Spaceship said:
There's not really much that could have been done for the album to have sold better. "Butterflies" should have been released worldwide and maybe "Whatever Happens" should have been a single, too, but that's about it. The album was never gonna break 10m in sales.
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Agreed on every point.
 
The success of Invincible was threatened from the start by 9/11 and the dispute with the record company. Therefore, Invincible should actually be renamed Threatened and released again.
 
Hot_Street said:
The success of Invincible was threatened from the start by 9/11 and the dispute with the record company. Therefore, Invincible should actually be renamed Threatened and released again.
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Interesting points. It's not exactly as if MJ was the only one affected by 901 though. He didn't get singled out.

The Supernaturals were banned from radio because their lead single (written a year previously, and their first on a new label) had the line "it's the end of the world as we know it". This decision ultimately ended their career.

In a stream of coincidences, Bush were forced to rename their lead single "The People That We Love" because the original title included the word "kills". They also had to change the cover of their album because it featured a plane, and even re-recorded one of their songs because it had the word terrorist.

You had movies being delayed just so than an American flag could be inserted. Things got crazy.

But neither of these bands cried about it. As pathetic as everything was in 2001, life went on. Believe it or not, there was a #1 album in September 2001. There was a #1 single in September 2001 too. This really isn't the reason Invincible bombed.
 
On top of being arguably his poorest album, has anyone considered that Michael just wasn’t as popular as he once was?

It’s obvious he wasn’t plus at 43 years old, he was no longer cool and his appearance wasn’t the best either. His dance moves were all a bit dated by 2001.

Rather than constantly slating the lack of promotion (which was still better than other artists could only dream of) the main issue was that Michael was just no longer seen as this exciting young mesmerising talent.

He was seen as a weirdo with questionable behaviour and dodgy plastic surgery by many.

By 2009, absence made the heart fonder and he was once again appealing and there was lots of excitement about TII.

But that late 2001 period was certainly not the best career wise.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
On top of being arguably his poorest album, has anyone considered that Michael just wasn’t as popular as he once was?

It’s obvious he wasn’t plus at 43 years old, he was no longer cool and his appearance wasn’t the best either. His dance moves were all a bit dated by 2001.

Rather than constantly slating the lack of promotion (which was still better than other artists could only dream of) the main issue was that Michael was just no longer seen as this exciting young mesmerising talent.

He was seen as a weirdo with questionable behaviour and dodgy plastic surgery by many.

By 2009, absence made the heart fonder and he was once again appealing and there was lots of excitement about TII.

But that late 2001 period was certainly not the best career wise.
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He barely even showed his face during this era. He clearly wasn’t confident in his looks anymore. His one more chance video only filmed him from the back, the few head shots in YRMW looked really bad and cry didn’t even feature him at all. He even tried hiding his face on stage during the MSG concerts.
His moves were sloppy, he sounded weak on stage. He was a laughing stock and I hate to say all this but it is the truth and it can’t be ignored.
 
filmandmusic said:
He barely even showed his face during this era. He clearly wasn’t confident in his looks anymore. His one more chance video only filmed him from the back,
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The filming never got completed. They were going to film from the front but filming was abandoned bc of the police raid on Neverland.

filmandmusic said:
the few head shots in YRMW looked really bad and cry didn’t even feature him at all. He even tried hiding his face on stage during the MSG concerts.
His moves were sloppy, he sounded weak on stage. He was a laughing stock and I hate to say all this but it is the truth and it can’t be ignored.
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For me it's more about, Michael was at a low point during 2001 (imo) and I have nothing but compassion for him. I love the video for Cry and it works perfectly well without him. Late 2003 was obviously another really low point and everything got derailed by the Arvizo thing.
 
YRMW sounds incredible, especially loud in bars. But as good as it is, the song doesn't really sound like one of the new songs that Michael once talked about at Motown 25. That's why I would have chosen a song as the first single that sounds really new and different: Heartbreaker.
 
filmandmusic said:
He barely even showed his face during this era. He clearly wasn’t confident in his looks anymore. His one more chance video only filmed him from the back, the few head shots in YRMW looked really bad and cry didn’t even feature him at all. He even tried hiding his face on stage during the MSG concerts.
His moves were sloppy, he sounded weak on stage. He was a laughing stock and I hate to say all this but it is the truth and it can’t be ignored.
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I don't really get the impression that you hate to say all this. I don't really get that impression at all.
 
Ganesh said:
I don't really get the impression that you hate to say all this. I don't really get that impression at all.
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You're right, I made 6000+ posts here because I'm a hater, I loathe MJ, I'm just here to rile you all up. Let me check my hidden agenda to see if I forgot to add something spicy.

the mjjparanoiacommunity strikes again
 
Oh, we're doing that then are we, OK.

Then I hope the evil person who coerced you to write out such a difficult and heart wrenching post for you is brought to justice soon, and you manage to overcome the trauma of such an ordeal.
 
filmandmusic said:
You're right, I made 6000+ posts here because I'm a hater, I loathe MJ, I'm just here to rile you all up. [...]
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And you do it so well. I'm quite lazy about online stuff so I didn't know about The Jacksons on Musikladen doing 'Enjoy Yourself'. I also didn't know about 'It´s Your Thing' on the Miss Black America Pageant (1969). If you hadn't posted them I would most likely not have discovered them for another couple of years, at least.

Keep on truckin', f&m! :D
 
zinniabooklover said:
And you do it so well. I'm quite lazy about online stuff so I didn't know about The Jacksons on Musikladen doing 'Enjoy Yourself'. I also didn't know about 'It´s Your Thing' on the Miss Black America Pageant (1969). If you hadn't posted them I would most likely not have discovered them for another couple of years, at least.
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Two things...

There's a rule on MJ forums that all topics, if continued long enough, will at some point talk about Invincible. One could see that as some kind of Godwin point to MJ discussions, thought it's not always in a negative way. But apparently, if all MJ conversation can lead to Invincible, Invincible can also lead any MJ topic. As here, from Invincible to Miss Black America Pageant...
zinniabooklover said:
I didn't know about The Jacksons on Musikladen doing 'Enjoy Yourself'. I also didn't know about 'It´s Your Thing' on the Miss Black America Pageant (1969).
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Also go read the link in my signature, it's collected knowledge (well, mostly a list with YouTube links) on this kind of "forgotten" events... so one can learn about those while remaining lazy.
 
Ganesh said:
Oh, we're doing that then are we, OK.

Then I hope the evil person who coerced you to write out such a difficult and heart wrenching post for you is brought to justice soon, and you manage to overcome the trauma of such an ordeal.
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I’ve recovered, thank you for your compassion. Apparently it was evil me who coerced me, shouting in my ear to post it. I’ve cast him out now for now. He’ll be back though.

@zinniabooklover
Well if you’re taking on an hidden agenda about an artist you better know his music back and forth. It is quite an ordeal to spend decades studying this vile music but it pays off eventually.
 
Maxym said:
Two things...

There's a rule on MJ forums that all topics, if continued long enough, will at some point talk about Invincible. One could see that as some kind of Godwin point to MJ discussions, thought it's not always in a negative way. But apparently, if all MJ conversation can lead to Invincible, Invincible can also lead any MJ topic. As here, from Invincible to Miss Black America Pageant...
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The 'MJJC / Invincible threads' thing is mindblowing, lol. And I say that as someone who loves the album. :D

Maxym said:
Also go read the link in my signature, it's collected knowledge (well, mostly a list with YouTube links) on this kind of "forgotten" events... so one can learn about those while remaining lazy.
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I'm not as clueless as I make myself out to be, lol. Although, it's true I hadn't come across those two tv clips that f&m posted so that was super exciting! But I'm pretty much across most of Michael's stuff over the years, thanks. Plus, there's various lists out there that I drop into when I can't remember something. That said, I'm not a completist so the stuff I haven't seen yet, I'm relaxed about it. I do a lot of repetition. I still haven't made it all the way through a single BWT 1987 show bc I do so much rewinding. Plus I only ever watch one song if I'm watching a live performance so it's a slow process. My 'Michaeling' likes to do its own thing! :ROFLMAO:
 
filmandmusic said:
@zinniabooklover
Well if you’re taking on an hidden agenda about an artist you better know his music back and forth. It is quite an ordeal to spend decades studying this vile music but it pays off eventually.
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Yes, it must be awful for you having to listen to all that fabulous music. Such a drag! Must have been so painful to do that thread on your 25 Favourite Michael songs. Being forced to write stuff like this:

"TO MAKE MY FATHER PROUD

- I don't know why this didn't make one of the studio albums during his Motown career. In hindsight songs like these tell such important stories. Who knew back then Michael would have such a troubled life? But he sings here the words every child wants to sing, that he did his best in life and that his parents are ok with the choices he made. Be proud of yourself Michael like we all are proud of you, you did good for the world..."

:cry:
 
@zinniabooklover
What can I say, I’m a perfectionist just like the guy I despise.

About Invincible, the fan base just can’t accept that Michael could also fail on every level with a project so they try to convincable themselves it is the second coming of thriller
 
It really is just a album. Like either way, there's subjective Opinions. Just take a load off.

The songs go viral on TikTok every other day anyway.

Like I said, MJ could've made a duet version of one of the songs with a popular artist, like Love Never Felt So Good.
 
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