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R1chard said:
But again, the streaming people need to get over themselves. I honestly guarantee them 100% that when they run a streaming app on their phone, they will simply not hear the mastering differences when the mist obvious improvement seems to be the wide channel separation. It seems the irony is lost on these people.
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I don't have to pay for a streaming service rn so I'm using the streaming service that's free. Take the snobbery elsewhere.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I mean I'm not gonna defend Spotify. They're pretty stagnant and lazy. They can add lossless audio literally any day and they'd stop catching flack about it. But that's irrelevant to the topic I guess.
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Of course I'm not defending the company itself if it came across that way.
 
R1chard said:
But again, the streaming people need to get over themselves. I honestly guarantee them 100% that when they run a streaming app on their mono Alexa speaker, they will simply not hear the mastering differences when the most obvious improvement seems to be the wide channel separation. Or that when they're carrying their mobile phone, they will not appreciate the refined and accurate bass. It seems the irony is lost on these people.
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You said in a previous post that all masters should be hq but now you're arguing that people who use streaming shouldn't get them or don't deserve them. Make it make sense.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
You said in a previous post that all masters should be hq but now you're arguing that people who use streaming shouldn't get them or don't deserve them. Make it make sense.
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No, I'm saying it's a waste of time to ask for a decent master so you can listen to it on a streaming service that sounds like shit. It's simply not worth it.

They've been carried away by the hype and now they want a piece of it, which is at odds with previous statements of "what's the point of MoFi, that's not for me, that's for audiophiles", and "nobody cares about sound quality".

If anything, they are the people that need to make their mind up. Like, if they're literally saying their equipment isn't up to the job, and they think they love the SE, then they don't need a better master, and I don't see what the fuss is about.

I don't do streaming, so I don't care what mastering they have or don't have.

I've been very clear in my criticism of those that look down on sound quality and disrespect all the people working in that part of the industry. I've also been very clear that a well-made CD will benefit everybody who buys it.

It's like complaining that Ferraris aren't widely available. They are widely available, it's just that you choose not to buy one. That's not a problem I can help you with.
 
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R1chard said:
I've been very clear in my criticism of those that look down on sound quality and disrespect all the people working in that part of the industry.
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The people working in the industry put out MP3s, autotune, brickwalling, etc. 😂 Anyway, even long before the internet & streaming existed, not all records had the same kind of mastering. Some had bad mastering especially with some heavy metal music or small indie labels that couldn't afford the high quality recording equipment or better engineers that the majors had.
 
R1chard said:
Where to? In the UK I'm being told 31st. I've been quoted with VAT/GST - it would be pretty poor from the website if it was held to ransom until I'd paid even more. I've bought plenty from MoFi stuff going back many years, but this blatant recent price gouging will probably make it the last thing I ever buy from them.
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I'm in western EU. I like not to be more precise about where I live. Since a few years we always get extra taxes on what we purchase from outside the EU so I'm used to it. I try not to abuse it. If I had learned earlier that MoFi has official dealers in some EU countries might have tried to order through them instead.
 
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Maxym said:
I'm in western EU. I like not to be more precise about where I live. Since a few years we always get extra taxes on what we purchase from outside the EU so I'm used to it. I try not to abuse it. If I had learned earlier that MoFi has official dealers in some EU countries might have tried to order through them instead.
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Yeah I regret ordering through the actual store. I ordered back in September 2024 and was charged for it, but never got an email for order confirmation or shipping confirmation.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Maybe you should stop talking about how they sound like shit and acting like you can't hear if something is mastered badly on them then.
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Huh? I've had plenty of experience of streaming. My girlfriend has used Amazon and Spotify on phones, laptops, tablets, in my car, on my refrigerator and on the $5k amplifier setup in the lounge.

It's always shit.

And that's why I don't do streaming.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
This is the real reason no one cares about audiophiles, because they far too often get to the level of obnoxious only vegans and dog people reside at.
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I'm just gonna say one thing:
The only thing that most people are going to notice from a "better" master being put on Spotify, is the fact that their music is suddenly way quieter.
That's not good, not good at all for most people in fact.

Yall claim to not be defending a big ass lazy company like Spotify but i assure yall that's exactly how it comes across.

Nobody's gatekeeping anything, it's just that 99% of people are not gonna give a crap wether Thriller is suddenly a good master or the same master it has been ever since T25 came out, almost 17 years ago.
 
@NeoGardiV12 Bro, every service does Dolby Atmos/HiFi Audio whatever except for Spotify. Ain't none of my points been in defense of them. They're much worse than just the audio thing anyway. They are just slow.

I'm just saying if Michaels music on Apple Music got that speciality engineering/mastering, I don't see why the competition can't do the same.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
Nobody's gatekeeping anything, it's just that 99% of people are not gonna give a crap wether Thriller is suddenly a good master or the same master it has been ever since T25 came out, almost 17 years ago.
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Definitely gatekeeping going on sorry. I said that these masters should be available to everyone and the response I got was that it's equivalent to 240p video and that people on lossy streaming wouldn't be able to notice the refined bass notes.

I haven't even argued about whether people would notice as it is besides the point, most people wouldn't notice on those other streaming services either yet it seems to be fine that they get better masters etc.

Also nobody has defended Spotify as a company.

I definitely see where you're coming from they're not great.
 
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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
I'm just saying if Michaels music on Apple Music got that speciality engineering/mastering, I don't see why the
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SmoothGangsta said:
I haven't even argued about whether people would notice as it is besides the point, most people wouldn't notice on those other streaming services either yet it seems to be fine that they get better masters etc.

Also nobody has defended Spotify as a company.

I definitely see where you're coming from they're not great.
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That's the thing though, guys.
Even if Apple has lossless, they are still using the exact same masters that were provided for every other streaming service as well, the exact same just now in lossless. (Other than the Dolby Atmos mixes which are exclusive to Apple and Tidal... which are still particularly loud because, why not?)

Also, i haven't said anything about people noticing differences in masters or not, the only thing i said is that most people would not care about them being better or worse.
You know exactly how the corporate side of MJ's estate behaves, if the general public doesn't see it as important, it is not lol

Y'all keep repeating that Apple's got better masters when in reality they have the same stuff that every other streaming service has had, the truth is simply that MJ's music has subpar quality masters on streaming services (masters that you both agree are objectively the worst out of the bunch, like T25, Bad 25, etc etc) all we are saying here (or at least what i'm saying) is that those masters are not gonna change, not after so many years of them being the standard.
 
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NeoGardiV12 said:
That's the thing though, guys.
Even if Apple has lossless, they are still using the exact same masters that were provided for every other streaming service as well, the exact same just now in lossless. (Other than the Dolby Atmos mixes which are exclusive to Apple and Tidal... which are still particularly loud because, why not?)

Also, i haven't said anything about people noticing differences in masters or not, the only thing i said is that most people would not care about them being better or worse.
You know exactly how the corporate side of MJ's estate behaves, if the general public doesn't see it as important, it is not lol

Y'all keep repeating that Apple's got better masters when in reality they have the same stuff that every other streaming service has had, the truth is simply that MJ's music has subpar quality masters on streaming services (masters that you both agree are objectively the worst out of the bunch, like T25, Bad 25, etc etc) all we are saying here (or at least what i'm saying) is that those masters are not gonna change, not after so many years of them being the standard.
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I'm aware of all this stuff. Anyway, I'm gonna stop responding now as it's just going around in circles at this point.
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
the only thing i said is that most people would not care about them being better or worse.
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That just doesn't matter. They didn't care before but Michael still did it. They should bring the quality back for it and make people care.


NeoGardiV12 said:
...They have the same stuff that every other streaming service has had, the truth is simply that MJ's music has subpar quality masters on streaming services (masters that you both agree are objectively the worst out of the bunch, like T25, Bad 25, etc etc) all we are saying here (or at least what i'm saying) is that those masters are not gonna change, not after so many years of them being the standard.
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What I'm saying is I see few reasons why they can't. If they're gonna remaster the videos, might as well remaster what we hear again. Though it gets harder in certain instances so... It's a long process.
 
R1chard said:
Huh? I've had plenty of experience of streaming. My girlfriend has used Amazon and Spotify on phones, laptops, tablets, in my car, on my refrigerator and on the $5k amplifier setup in the lounge.

It's always shit.

And that's why I don't do streaming.
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You can’t be seriously comparing Apple Music with Spotify?
Granted, the sound quality of Spotify is quite poor, but Apple is far superior and there are lesser known providers which are even better.
You cannot compare all streaming platforms as the same for audio quality.
I opt for Apple myself, it offers decent quality at a fair price.
 
MonkeyCheater said:
You can’t be seriously comparing Apple Music with Spotify?
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I'm not comparing anything. Don't think I even mentioned Apple.

I'm not interested in having a conversation about streaming. All I said was that it's pointless to campaign for this master because (1) most of these people have previously stated that good sound quality is not something they are interested in, (2) they definitely will not be able to hear the difference, and (3) it sounds as though they're legally banned from releasing it to streaming.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
@NeoGardiV12 Bro, every service does Dolby Atmos/HiFi Audio whatever except for Spotify. Ain't none of my points been in defense of them. They're much worse than just the audio thing anyway. They are just slow.

I'm just saying if Michaels music on Apple Music got that speciality engineering/mastering, I don't see why the competition can't do the same.
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Amazon music have a 360 reality audio version of the Thriller album and it is amazing and you can hear things in the mix previously buried. Makes me wish they'd do it with all his albums.
 
Thatkliqkid said:
Amazon music have a 360 reality audio version of the Thriller album and it is amazing and you can hear things in the mix previously buried. Makes me wish they'd do it with all his albums.
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I gave up on Spotify when I experienced Apple music and their ‘spatial audio with Atmos Dolby’….

It is with the Apple music and their spatial audio with Dolby Atmos that I had the best listening experience I have ever had with Thriller, BUT only with AirPods on. It was not such a unique experience without the Air-pods and on regular speakers.

I have not tried Amazon 360? Was your experience with headphones?
 
R1chard said:
I'm not comparing anything. Don't think I even mentioned Apple.

I'm not interested in having a conversation about streaming. All I said was that it's pointless to campaign for this master because (1) most of these people have previously stated that good sound quality is not something they are interested in, (2) they definitely will not be able to hear the difference, and (3) it sounds as though they're legally banned from releasing it to streaming.
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You said streaming was shit….
You also seem like an audiophile!, someone who appreciates good production, mixing, mastering etc.
Perhaps your experience with streaming is from a few years ago? I totally agree, it was shit, especially Spotify and the prior Amazon offering.

I would honestly suggest you give streaming another go, you may he pleasantly surprised! Not Spotify, it is stll shit. But Apple has their spatial audio with head tracking’ for Atmos Dolby which is an incredible experience (with airpods)!
And then there there is Amazon 360, and others platforms too.
 
MonkeyCheater said:
Perhaps your experience with streaming is from a few years ago?
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No, it was within the last year.

It's just... I'm not at all interested in streaming. I'm not at all interested in listening to music on headphones.

And, more importantly, this isn't the thread to discuss it. I won't contribute to derailing the discussion, so I'm out.
 
MonkeyCheater said:
I gave up on Spotify when I experienced Apple music and their ‘spatial audio with Atmos Dolby’….

It is with the Apple music and their spatial audio with Dolby Atmos that I had the best listening experience I have ever had with Thriller, BUT only with AirPods on. It was not such a unique experience without the Air-pods and on regular speakers.

I have not tried Amazon 360? Was your experience with headphones?
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Yes with headphones. I believe Amazon 360 is their version of spatial audio.
 
Finally had a chance to listen to the CD in my Jeep.....I wanted to blast it on either my stereo components or my surround sound TV setup, but free time is still hard to come by at the moment! I gotta say, much like with Thriller, MoFi knocked it out of the park again! The high frequencies definitely seem brighter and more in your face than previous remasters, and while at first I thought the bass was taking too much of a backseat, upon listening to more songs on the album that was definitely not the case. Just maybe those lower frequencies were re-adjusted a little bit from what my ear is used to hearing. The percussion in DSTYGE sounds really clean and clear!

Michael's vocals are definitely a standout here, even his background singing comes through VERY well and is really clean sounding. I've only given the whole thing one listen through but I'll be hearing it again tonight when I take off to do some stuff. One of my favorite MJ tracks in general is "Get on the Floor", and I was curious what mix they would be using. I haven't heard the OG original pressing vinyl version in awhile but IIRC that one had more strings involved front and center in the mix. I feel like this MoFi version is somewhere between that mix and the normal one that has been on the last couple regular CD releases. I'll need to listen to both mixes more and compare one after the other. Regardless, I'm a fan of this version for sure.

Overall they did justice to my favorite MJ album and then some I think! While I mentioned earlier in the thread about my wish for more content from that era to be released, I'm cool with this since the album itself is what brought us all to the dance to begin with.....maybe more stuff will come out someday. One other thing, its mastered really quiet like the Thriller MoFi, but all you need to do is remember to lower the volume again on your listening device after you finish with the album so you don't blow your ears out with the next thing you play. :LOL:

I'd say a 10/10, someday soon I'll get around to sitting back and absorbing the vinyl as well.
 
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