The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

It might sound sacrilegious to say, but I unironically would rather listen through all twelve Cascio tracks in one sitting than it; I’m 100% serious.

Alright you're dragging it now.

 

[kai]

the "i have this dream" vocal demo actually leaked 14 years ago already. I heard it back then.. and it was used in those weird "MJ is still alive" videos that started after his death.

here is an upload from 2011...

 

[Sisoqqq]

the "i have this dream" vocal demo actually leaked 14 years ago already. I heard it back then.. and it was used in those weird "MJ is still alive" videos that started after his death.

here is an upload from 2011...

It's not MJ vocals here

 

[Mister_Jay_Tee]

It's not MJ vocals here

You're so smart

 

[kai]

It's not MJ vocals here

Yep that’s obvious and no one ever said that it’s Michael. I was just saying that this leak is not new at all.

 

[LucianoWalker]

the "i have this dream" vocal demo actually leaked 14 years ago already. I heard it back then.. and it was used in those weird "MJ is still alive" videos that started after his death.

here is an upload from 2011...

That’s cause K.R.O.C made this version as a tribute in 2010
Him made a revised versión with Michael and then used it in the tribute versión but with his voice

 

[Bad1978]

The 2004 mix was the version considered for The Ultimate Collection. Only small changes were made to the song so it shouldn't be different from the version we already have.

The 2008 mix is the version that was put on Xscape.

All in all the song didn't change all that much after Invincible.

Thanks for this, appreciated.

 

[Fuzball]

Brian's talking about basic 2-track demo tracking with Michael.

(btw 12:00 and 13:00 mark)

 

[Fuzball]

Bill keeps on insisting on BB's not a great song.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883248424042246633

 

[SmoothGangsta]

I'll take that with a grain of salt. Love Bill's insights but he certainly seems to think that stuff that didn't make the albums isn't great by default.

 

[LucianoWalker]

Bill keeps on insisting on BB's not a great song.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883248424042246633

Fans have really been very hyped with the song, from the beginning it is doubtful if it is a great song

Michael was excited to release it, but that makes me think it was an idea he liked at first and it just didn't work out again

 

[Derek1984]

Bill keeps on insisting on BB's not a great song.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883248424042246633

Let's be real, IF it was really that good, it would've made Victory or BAD. It made neither. Still would love to hear it though.

 

[AlwaysThere]

^^ I always found that perspective a bit flawed because there are plenty of excellent songs left off MJ’s albums. It could’ve been left off for any number of reasons. So far, Bill is the first to say that BB wasn’t good; Matt Forger and John Barnes have said the opposite.

 

[Derek1984]

^^ I always found that perspective a bit flawed because there are plenty of excellent songs left off MJ’s albums. It could’ve been left off for any number of reasons. So far, Bill is the first to say that BB wasn’t good; Matt Forger and John Barnes have said the opposite.

There are some very good songs that have been left off albums, but I have yet to hear anything that blew me away enough to think it should've made a final tracklisting.

 

[AlwaysThere]

There are some very good songs that have been left off albums, but I have yet to hear anything that blew me away enough to think it should've made a final tracklisting.

It’s definitely subjective, but personally, I can think of at least two to three unused songs that I feel should’ve been included on albums, especially Invincible.

 

[Fuzball]

It's funny how Bill doesn't like BB, Tomboy, TMO or MoB.

 

[Saka21]

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[SmoothCriminal1995]

I rarely agree with Bill's taste in unreleased material, but his insight in the material and timeline of it is invaluable

I'll judge the songs for myself

 

[Victorious]

Does anyone know how the writing process went with people like Paul Anka or Freddie Mercury: did they tape the whole sesssion/sessions or did they just started recording when they had a 'song' to record?

In other words: are there tapes where you can hear the making of LNFSG, This Is It and also more of 'Don't Matter'?

 

[BlackAnon]

Does anyone know how the writing process went with people like Paul Anka or Freddie Mercury: did they tape the whole sesssion/sessions or did they just started recording when they had a 'song' to record?

In other words: are there tapes where you can hear the making of LNFSG, This Is It and also more of 'Don't Matter'?

Michael mentioned he starts off by recording his demos with a tape recorder and we hear that with songs like TGIM and WATW. I'd assume he brought it with him when he worked songs with others

 

[Victorious]

Michael mentioned he starts off by recording his demos with a tape recorder and we hear that with songs like TGIM and WATW. I'd assume he brought it with him when he worked songs with others

But would he record the whole session or just the 'demo' parts?

 

[apple🍎]

Bill keeps on insisting on BB's not a great song.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883248424042246633

Well let me hear it and let me be the judge, Bill

 

[Alaslam]

But would he record the whole session or just the 'demo' parts?

He’ll record the demo parts on tape then create a multitrack recording around the demo using instruments

 

[BlackAnon]

But would he record the whole session or just the 'demo' parts?

Never heard of an entire session being recorded on tape from him but I also wouldn't doubt it

 

[Victorious]

He’ll record the demo parts on tape then create a multitrack recording around the demo using instruments

I think I mean: did the tapes of those sessions include the whole writing process, like him and Anka trying to come up with ideas, talking, jamming etc. (like the 'Give To Me' session leak) or are most tapes just the songs (in demo form)?

 

[Alaslam]

Never heard of an entire session being recorded on tape from him but I also wouldn't doubt it

He’ll record a demo on tape and then multitrack instruments around it

 

[BlackAnon]

I think I mean: did the tapes of those sessions include the whole writing process, like him and Anka trying to come up with ideas, talking, jamming etc. (like the 'Give To Me' session leak) or are most tapes just the songs (in demo form)?

Here's a work tape of TGIM.

We don't really have much information on how he recorded through tapes but this is an idea

 

[Fuzball]

We don't really have much information on how he recorded through tapes but this is an idea

It's basicly like what's been explained here

Brian's talking about basic 2-track demo tracking with Michael.

(btw 12:00 and 13:00 mark)

 

[BlackAnon]

Bill keeps on insisting on BB's not a great song.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1883248424042246633

He should just post a snippet at this point.

This, to me, is the holy grail of unreleased songs but it'll be disappointing if it doesn't live up to the hype. With it being an uptempo r&b track, with the lyrical content, I'm not sure where it would've fit on his albums outside of Victory

 

[ChanceToDance]

He should just post a snippet at this point.

Assuming he still has the tape—is there anything stopping him from doing that, technically? We've seen instances of unheard MJ songs being leaked by people from MJ's team themselves (i.e. Brad Sundberg posting a video with a snippet of Family Thing playing in the background, Rodney Jerkins sharing snippets of writer's demos made for Michael, Michael Prince playing the intro of GYWOOM on the MJCast), even if he shares a very short snippet of MJ singing "Who shot Buffalo Bill?" I assume it's unlikely it'll get him into trouble with the Estate.