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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Ok, now this I actually don't like. Switching up on songs once we actually have them is not fair. This happened to Chicago 1945 too. Like if you're not gonna actually appreciate the hype then it's not fair. Dark Lady is just gonna be next to be called "mid".
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You do make a good point about how quickly fans move on from songs and it's a bit sad when you think about it - we spend years, decades being excited for them but a lot of the time when they finally leak everyone just goes "meh, mid." and they're rarely brought up again. C1945 and GYWOOM are really the 2 biggest examples of this.

Part of the reason I feel is because of how they tend to get hyped up too much by "insiders" or people who were somehow able to hear them firsthand, saying things like "MJ like you've never heard before", "chart hit on the potential", and them being sold for gazillions of thousands of dollars definitely doesn't help, but once they leak we see they were never that great to begin with, forgetting that said demos/outtakes tend to be shelved for a reason. And it's because they were always subpar or because Michael ended up focusing on better material.

And I'm realizing also that "Water" is the next song to fall victim to this kind of thing, I remember when the first snippet leaked it was described as being the most unique, and complex song of MJ's career but now a lot of it has leaked I'm seeing a lot of people call it mid and that it's just the same thing over and over again. Already being dismissed before it even leaks entirely.
 
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ChanceToDance said:
And I'm realizing also that "Water" is the next song to fall victim to this kind of thing, I remember when the first snippet leaked it was described as being the most unique, and complex song of MJ's career but now a lot of it has leaked I'm seeing a lot of people call it mid and that it's just the same thing over and over again. Already being dismissed before it even leaks entirely.
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That's exactly what I was gonna say. Water's depreciation has already begun.

That's the downside of these leaks. No sustainable hype.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
That's the downside of these leaks. No sustainable hype.
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I'm very much guilty of falling for that hype myself I cannot lie lol. But now that a lot of the songs that I was so interested in hearing have leaked I'm realizing those discarded demos are really nothing too crazy or special (I was pleasantly surprised by Just Remember but that's a rare exception). I'm trying my best to keep my expectations low so I don't end up feeling disappointed but I always fail at that lmao
 
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I'm beginning to realize that a huge part of the fun is predicting and imagining what these tracks could sound like.

Take "Water," described by insiders (Trevis) as a masterpiece and one of the most unique pieces MJ ever made. It makes you wonder: What could it possibly sound like? What kind of stuff was MJ experimenting with at that time? Could he have revolutionized pop music again if the sounds he was creating were released to the world instead of hidden in the vault?

So many titles we consider holy grails just sound cool af. A name like "Crack Kills" makes you assume it's a dark track, perhaps with a mid 80s rap feel. Then a snippet leaked, and if it's authentic, it sounds nothing like what I thought, lol.

I remember thinking "Deep In The Night" would have a cinematic, "Smooth Criminal"-esque vibe, smooth atmosphere, but it turned out what it is. The same goes for "Chicago 1945", everyone and their moms expected a moody piece, but it ended up being a lost sister to "Billie Jean".

In a way, perhaps some of these tracks are better off staying unleaked. Once you hear them you can only say, "Oh, so that's what it sounds like", and the track you've been imagining for years is never the same again.
 
Saka21 said:
So many titles we consider holy grails just sound cool af. A name like "Crack Kills" makes you assume it's a dark track, perhaps with a mid 80s rap feel. Then a snippet leaked, and if it's authentic, it sounds nothing like what I thought, lol.
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Could be fake, read the comments:
 
"Oh wow, the shelved track does sound really... not up to the standards of the released tracks huh, who would have thought"

I'm sorry if I think having a longer version of She Drives Me Wild (or any other released tracks) is more worthy than mumble demo n°234 lmaooo

Release the Future Records CDs :alien:
 
NeoGardiV12 said:
"Oh wow, the shelved track does sound really... not up to the standards of the released tracks huh, who would have thought"

I'm sorry if I think having a longer version of She Drives Me Wild (or any other released tracks) is more worthy than mumble demo n°234 lmaooo

Release the Future Records CDs :alien:
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I knew my comment might come across as pretentious, I'm not great at expressing myself 😬, but I didn't mean to compare them to full album tracks.

For me, if the melody is strong and the vocals are interesting, that's enough for a song to have a lot of potential and be genuinely enjoyable to listen to. I mean, Jane Is A Groupie is one of my favorites for exactly that reason. I'd pick this one over Chicago 1945 any day.
 
BlackAnon said:
At least release full songs.

Neverland Landing, What's Your Life, Somewhere in Time, Why Can't I Be, Alright Now
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i don’t think those should be leaked. I agree with @AlwaysThere. If a song has full vocals and can be potentially released, then keep it in the vault for an official project. If a song is a rough mumble demo (a la Dark Lady), I want it to leak because the estate has no interest in releasing those.
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
i don’t think those should be leaked. I agree with @AlwaysThere. If a song has full vocals and can be potentially released, then keep it in the vault for an official project. If a song is a rough mumble demo (a la Dark Lady), I want it to leak because the estate has no interest in releasing those.
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That's what I mean. If the Estate is going to release songs, let them be full vocals and lyrics. The only way they'd something with rough demos is if they're included with the finished version but I don't want an album full of "da da daaa de de deee.....in the black hills of north Virginia"
 
BlackAnon said:
That's what I mean. If the Estate is going to release songs, let them be full vocals and lyrics. The only way they'd something with rough demos is if they're included with the finished version but I don't want an album full of "da da daaa de de deee.....in the black hills of north Virginia"
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Ah I misunderstood. Yeah definitely only release fully completed vocals.
 
Inthestudiowithmj said:
i don’t think those should be leaked. I agree with @AlwaysThere. If a song has full vocals and can be potentially released, then keep it in the vault for an official project. If a song is a rough mumble demo (a la Dark Lady), I want it to leak because the estate has no interest in releasing those.
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We’re seemingly never getting another album for a long time. I can’t understand Branca. If he’s so money hungry, then why the hell does he not release another album that will make a shit ton of money?
 
threepea11 said:
We’re seemingly never getting another album for a long time. I can’t understand Branca. If he’s so money hungry, then why the hell does he not release another album that will make a shit ton of money?
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ONE, The Musical, The biopic. These projects have been, are and will continue to generate huge profits for them in the future. They only give preference to these projects, especially the upcoming biopic. As for the other projects, the things that long-time fans want... 🤷‍♂️

And The biopic will be a useful shield for them to justify not caring about any other projects besides it.
 
BlackAnon said:
Not speaking on collectors for those but 3 of them aren't in the hands of the Estate. I'm saying those are songs with full vocals
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Really? How do you know? I thought the Estate reached out to every collaborator and is in the posession of everything by this time.
 
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