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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

innuendo141 said:
Cory Rooney was very annoyed that a mono version of She Was Lovin' Me was used on the album too. They knew full well the original song sounded like a much better "Michael Jackson" song so they had to cripple it.
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I wonder if that's why I've never liked the song at all that way. I still think it just doesn't have a lot of passion or strength behind it, but that is with the 2014 context behind it.

Look, Xscape was just a moment in time. It was the last time there was any hype with an MJ project for the common person, biopic excluded. Waking up to the announcement surprise, seeing pop out performances, hearing an incredibly catchy tune like LNFSG in the peak of summer vacation, cover articles about the album in places like Billboard, hearing new snippets of entirely unheard of songs and getting long anticipated leaks served finally to the general public... Like it was a big stimulus for MJ at that time. Especially after the Michael debacle. Even the one word name convention was properly restored.
 
Something I've just noticed while listening to Deep in the night; the vocal hiccups troughout the song - Michael did these on some of his known pre-Thriller demos (Who do you know; PYT).

I wonder, if this is an indication of DITN being from early 1980s, too?🤔
 
threepea11 said:
Btw someone edited the tracker and added what I believe is false info on the Streetwalker section, such as removing the trash remix. If someone could fix that, that'd be great
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It's not false, I simply corrected info I misinterperted back when I added it.

Bill Bottrell's post about replacing drums and perc with trash can brushes was about "Dangerous," not "Streetwalker." I misread.
 
Speaking about love never felt so good . I remember reading on the forums and the opinion was that it was a terrible choice for a single , let alone the first single to be released from the album.

To the point where fans thought it was a joke and the estate had really lost the plot.

Then a few rumours started that the song had been reworked and it was sounding fantastic and really improved it.

It really was!!
 
SeriousFX said:
It's not false, I simply corrected info I misinterperted back when I added it.

Bill Bottrell's post about replacing drums and perc with trash can brushes was about "Dangerous," not "Streetwalker." I misread.
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Ah ok, however I don't think there are two versions of Streetwalker '87 with different outros. I'm pretty sure the recording of the song that leaked in 2020 has artificial fade out and the outro is edited, its quite easy to loop the choruses actually (I've done it with my edit of the song). Plus, there is no echo when it fades out, plus the audio static fades away with it, which it shouldn't, as the only reason there is static is because of the audio being too loud for the mic threshold. It makes no sense that the static fades away with the song
 
threepea11 said:
Ah ok, however I don't think there are two versions of Streetwalker '87 with different outros. I'm pretty sure the recording of the song that leaked in 2020 has artificial fade out and the outro is edited, its quite easy to loop the choruses actually (I've done it with my edit of the song). Plus, there is no echo when it fades out, plus the audio static fades away with it, which it shouldn't, as the only reason there is static is because of the audio being too loud for the mic threshold. It makes no sense that the static fades away with the song
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I'll go ahead and fix that, thanks for pointing that out!
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Speaking about love never felt so good . I remember reading on the forums and the opinion was that it was a terrible choice for a single , let alone the first single to be released from the album.

To the point where fans thought it was a joke and the estate had really lost the plot.

Then a few rumours started that the song had been reworked and it was sounding fantastic and really improved it.

It really was!!
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Buffalobill87 mentioned a point exactly like this a long time ago haha.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Speaking about love never felt so good . I remember reading on the forums and the opinion was that it was a terrible choice for a single , let alone the first single to be released from the album.

To the point where fans thought it was a joke and the estate had really lost the plot.

Then a few rumours started that the song had been reworked and it was sounding fantastic and really improved it.

It really was!!
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A Place With No Name, the second single from the album Xscape, would have been fantastic too, but Sony and the estate made the mistake of completely botching the promotion and promoting the single only on Twitter. This still annoys me to this day, because I'm convinced that with better promotion, A Place With No Name would have been just as successful
 
Simijacksonfan said:
A Place With No Name, the second single from the album Xscape, would have been fantastic too, but Sony and the estate made the mistake of completely botching the promotion and promoting the single only on Twitter. This still annoys me to this day, because I'm convinced that with better promotion, A Place With No Name would have been just as successful
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Genuinely it was the heyday of Twitter so it was pretty popular. In comparison to the Radio and YouTube though, it was an insane gamble.
 
The fact that the solo remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" was originally made for "Michael" is so interesting to me because it's sound is completely unlike the rest of the songs on the album. Everything about it just screams "Xscape" and I can't imagine the song fitting elsewhere lol.

But I like that it shows the Estate is willing to reutilize their own remixes, I hope they'll eventually release the "Xscape" remix of "Hot Fun" instead of making a new one from the ground-up since that one got a ton of praises. I'm very keen in hearing how it sounds like.
 
ChanceToDance said:
The fact that the solo remix of "Love Never Felt So Good" was originally made for "Michael" is so interesting to me because it's sound is completely unlike the rest of the songs on the album. Everything about it just screams "Xscape" and I can't imagine the song fitting elsewhere lol.

But I like that it shows the Estate is willing to reutilize their own remixes, I hope they'll eventually release the "Xscape" remix of "Hot Fun" instead of making a new one from the ground-up since that one got a ton of praises. I'm very keen in hearing how it sounds like.
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I was hoping that Hot Fun would be released as part of a special edition at the end of 2014. It's crazy how time flies.
Maybe it will be on the biopic soundtrack next year.
 
Hot_Street said:
I was hoping that Hot Fun would be released as part of a special edition at the end of 2014. It's crazy how time flies.
Maybe it will be on the biopic soundtrack next year.
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When they announced the celebration of the 10 years of Xscape via Instagram last year I was hoping they're gonna release it as an anniversary single, but no. The post apparently was just enough.
 
innuendo141 said:
Cory Rooney was very annoyed that a mono version of She Was Lovin' Me was used on the album too. They knew full well the original song sounded like a much better "Michael Jackson" song so they had to cripple it.
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I noticed they post the most low-quality versions of widely available photos to their social medias on the regular. They've also recently put out a "wrong" version of the Black or White short film. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they also do this for MJ's music on official releases.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Speaking about love never felt so good . I remember reading on the forums and the opinion was that it was a terrible choice for a single , let alone the first single to be released from the album.

To the point where fans thought it was a joke and the estate had really lost the plot.

Then a few rumours started that the song had been reworked and it was sounding fantastic and really improved it.

It really was!!
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Like out of the three Anka songs, LNFSG is the weakest one. They had Don't Matter To Me RIGHT THERE.
 
threepea11 said:
Like out of the three Anka songs, LNFSG is the weakest one. They had Don't Matter To Me RIGHT THERE.
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LNFSG is defo the most radio friendly (out of the Anka songs)

They really worked their magic to turn a boring piano driven basic demo into
something that sounded like classic MJ.

I was shocked at how good they managed to scrub it up. Wasn’t it John McClain who did it himself?

McClain is like a recluse, it’s like he doesn’t exist as he’s never in the spotlight when it comes to the estate , it’s all Branca.
 
Eventidescape1 said:
I experienced the same thing when I tried to edit Stranger in Moscow with a Brad Buxer co-writing credit, citing his MJCast interview. They removed that saying only Michael’s officially credited.

But bear in mind that’s a whole other debate since Brad’s story has changed a bit on about how that came to be. And whether Michael was involved in the Sonic game
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As they should have. I glad Wikipedia blocked your edit.

Brads claim has no credibility, it's simply his words. Words that were first said after Michael died and could not respond. Brads claims can never be proven and because of that, presumption of innocence (regarding the claim Michael stole his work) should be upheld.

The Wikipedia page should reflect what is in the legal record.

If Brad 's claim is true he should have corrected the legal record when he had the chance, which was the 15 years Michael was alive and could have responded.

He chose not to do that so oh well. He has no one to blame but himself.
 
kelley said:
As they should have. I glad Wikipedia blocked your edit.

Brads claim has no credibility, it's simply his words. Words that were first said after Michael died and could not respond. Brads claims can never be proven and because of that, presumption of innocence (regarding the claim Michael stole his work) should be upheld.

The Wikipedia page should reflect what is in the legal record.

If Brad 's claim is true he should have corrected the legal record when he had the chance, which was the 15 years Michael was alive and could have responded.

He chose not to do that so oh well. He has no one to blame but himself.
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I feel like I’ve seen you clap back against this multiple times in the past. I agree that the Wikipedia page should only reflect the official record (though Buxer’s claims should absolutely be mentioned somewhere on the page, as it is now part of the historical record of the song).

Brad has made one co-author claim in the entirety of his time with MJ, who is known for taking undeserved credit for songs. Not saying Brad is automatically right, but the idea that we shouldn’t believe him because he never said anything when he was alive is ridiculous.
 
Hollywood_Tonight said:
I really like “Innocent Man” as well. The arrangement reminds me of "Stranger in Moscow," and the background vocals have a similar layering to "Family Thing." While the song is upbeat, it also carries a somber and serious undertone. I wouldn't describe it as uplifting compared to something like "Beautiful Girl," for example.
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Where can I listen to the innocent man? I wasn't aware that any recording of it existed.
 
as someone whose favorite song overall used to be LNFSG back in the day i rn definitely agree its not my fav out of the three. i actually think i like TII the most. cool lyrics, the music is very nice, feels somewhat special
 
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Since I am so negative about the remixes: I do think 'Love Never Felt So Good' worked very well as a disco song!!
(although if it was done on Quincy level it could have been 'Rock With You-' good imho)
 
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