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Mark Geragos on His Client Frank Cascio vs Michael Jackson

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Frank Cascio is officially coming forward as a victim of child sex abuse at the hands of Michael Jackson via his attorney Mark Geragos.

 
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I held out hope that the false allegations were about something else, but we all knew it was CSA-related. It's now explicitly confirmed in court documents, though Frank Cascio, so far, hasn't explained in detail how Michael Jackson was inappropriate towards him and what the alleged sexual acts were—not that it would make those acts actually factual!

A lot of details doesn't necessarily mean it's true! What matters is proof! And there is none.
 
From 31:12 (in regard to the two reasons to settle):

Harvey: Okay, I don't have a dog in the fight, but there are two reasons why people settle. One, to bury the truth. And the second is because even an allegation becomes so damaging and so expensive to, uh, defend that it is cheaper and more, you know, just smarter to settle it, and you know, and you know that there are two different reasons why people settle.

From 33:19 (in regard to the two reasons to settle):

Harvey: I'm not taking the position. You just said to me there's only one reason, and I said there are two!

Mark: There's only one reason; you and I both know.

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If I understand correctly, Mark Geragos therefore believes that the Estate tried to keep the allegations secret for "one reason only": because the allegations are true.

How can Mark be so convinced the allegations are true? As Harvey explained to him, some allegations are false but so damaging w/ possible long and costly litigation that it may be best to just settle.

But once again, the Estate should NOT have paid the Cascios anything at all! (Each one of the Cascio siblings got $3.3 million dollars in Jan. 2020 after blackmailing the Estate. Officially, they were paid for their life story, but that was just a cover. And several years later, Frank & Co. demanded an additional $213 million. The Estate subsequently exposed the extortionary demands of the Cascios. Frank & Co. have now reduced their demand to $44 million.)

Blackmailers have a tendency to demand more and more money if they can... It doesn't just happen in the movies!

Mark Geragos is using this against the Estate.

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Mark explained to Harvey that Frank Cascio isn't giving specific details because of the NDA. Mark is therefore predicting that the NDA will be struck down, and that once it's done, a huge bombshell will explode and shatter the Estate.

Reportedly, Frank Cascio can't wait for the NDA to be lifted to speak to the media.
 
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I don’t know, but I’ve been thinking about this for a while — maybe that’s the real reason the Estate has never officially admitted the “Cascio tracks” are fake. As for this interview, Geragos’ demeanor is so strange, especially given he’s talking about child sexual abuse. The laughing and smirking make it seem like even he doesn’t believe it. I don’t know — it’s all so sad and confusing.
 
#applehead24 said:
I havent watched the video yet, but i swear if another one of these accusations be coming out imma lose it this is really pissing me off, pardon my french.
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The allegations have already come out. In the latest court documents, the Estate confirms that Frank Cascio has been making allegations of child sexual abuse for big money.

nextbigthing56 said:
Apparently the lawsuit alleges that all five Cascio kids were abused 🙄
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Yes. And according to Mark Geragos, all the guilters, and those who automatically believe all accusers, we're supposed to believe that without question and without proof.
 
The latest news is now impacting mainstream media.

Daily Mail (hit-piece): The FIVE children from one family who claim Michael Jackson brainwashed and abused them for 25 years... without each other knowing: Siblings now suing the disgraced popstar's estate for £160million

medium.com

New court documents reveal that all FIVE Cascio children were abused by Michael Jackson..

Court documents filed earlier this month and obtained by the DailyMail UK on Sunday drop bombshells about the accusations against Michael…
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If anybody is disgraced, it's the false accusers!

The Daily Mail article is unfortunately not neutral in tone. Its writers seem to believe Leaving Neverland (ignoring or ignorant of all the debunking that was done) and the molestation claims by the Cascios despite their decades of support of Jackson.


The article contains excerpts from the Cascios' court filing. Excerpts from the article:

"Bombshell documents seen exclusively by The Mail on Sunday were filed in California earlier this month. They accuse Jackson of ‘grooming’, ‘sexually abusing’ and ‘brainwashing’ all of them.

In a ghastly twist, each of the five siblings believed that only they were targeted by Jackson in this way, and each thus carried the burden of the secret abuse alone into adulthood.

The scandal is potentially the biggest ever blow to Jackson’s already tattered reputation and may yet destroy it for good. A source familiar with the case confirmed that all five of the Cascio siblings, including Frank, claimed they were abused by Jackson."


"The filing at the Los Angeles County Superior Court says: ‘From the early 1980s until at least 2009, Michael Jackson had intimate contact with the Cascio children.

‘This abusive contact occurred over a span of decades and involved hundreds of instances.

‘Each of the Cascio children were groomed, brainwashed and severely manipulated to believe that each was uniquely “special” to Michael and that their relationship with him was exclusive.

‘This emotional manipulation was designed to secure each family member’s loyalty and ensure their silence, making them feel indebted to Michael and isolated from any source of protection or perspective.

‘Through years of psychological conditioning, Michael cultivated dependence and fear in the Cascios, making respondents believe they had no choice but to comply and no safe way to break free.

‘The effects of this conditioning persisted into adulthood, leaving respondents with a deeply ingrained belief that speaking out would constitute betrayal – a dynamic the estate has continued to exploit in its dealings with them.’

The filing accuses the Jackson estate of ‘exploiting the same patterns of trust, fear and conditioned loyalty’ that Michael had used, in order to persuade them to sign a settlement in 2020.


Estate representatives, meanwhile, describe an unusual meeting at the Sunset Marquis Hotel pool in Los Angeles, where the Cascios’ camp insisted participants wear only bathing suits ‘so that [Jackson’s] representatives could not wear a wire to record the conversation’.

In January 2020, the estate allegedly agreed to a confidential settlement to protect Jackson’s family. The agreement included payments over five years, reportedly totalling £13million, strict ‘non-disparagement’ terms and a clause requiring all disputes to be handled in private."
 
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It’s the same narrative every single time with these victims.

What I find frightening though is that one day, one of these alleged victims will win one of these civil cases and it will be enough for MJ’s already fragile reputation to be labelled a convicted child abuser in the media etc
 
I do believe the Cascio's claims would make the previous allegations ridicule.
 
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So Frank Cascio wants us to believe all accusers? Did he forget that he was also accused by the Arvizos of showing them porn, as an adult? If he now says that the allegations against Michael are true, he's basically also saying that the accusations against himself were true too.

Worse even, Star said that the naked girls Frank showed them appeared to be between the age of 15 to 25 years, so underage girls. Now I only have one question for Frank: were the Arvizos lying? Did they *gasps* make false accusations? There ain't no way around it, Frank can't call Michael a pedophile without calling himself a pedophile too.

Star's testimony:

Q. Now, at some point that night , then , you go into Mr. Jackson’s bedroom ?
A. Yes.
Q. What were you doing in there; do you recall?
A. Well, it started out, like , we were going to watch some Disney cartoons, and a bunch of these videotapes of the Simpsons . And then Frank had – Frank Tyson had a computer — I don ‘t remember whether it was my computer or his computer — in there .
Q. Okay. Tell us what happened.
A. And then he set up the computer. And then Frank started doing this — doing stuff on the Internet . And then they started looking up, like, adult material sites .
Q. Where — was Mr. Jackson there?
A. Yeah.
Q. Was Mr. Jackson involved in that ?
A. Yes.
Q. And in what way?
A. Well, we were — he was , like , pointing out girls. Like, “Oh , I like her .” And then — but, I mean, he wasn’t typing. Frank was typing .
Q. So how long do you think — how many different sites do you think you went to?
A. Maybe, like, seven sites. We didn’t go to that many sites.
Q. And how long do you think you were doing this?
A. I don't know. Maybe, like, 15, 30 minutes. Something like that.
Q. I couldn't hear you.
A. I think maybe, like, 15, 30 minutes or something.
Q. And you described it as adult materials. Can you tell us whether it was male or female?
A. It was female.
Q. Can you tell us about the age — in your estimation, the age of the females that you saw ?
A. Maybe, like, 15 to, like, 25 years old .
Q. So between that range?
A. Yeah.

Gavin's testimony:

Q. Okay. You testified that Michael Jackson and Frank showed you a computer and went to websites with naked women, right.
A. Yes.
Q. And approximately when was that.
A. That was like on the first night that we were inside his room that we were going to go to sleep.
Q. And you said it was like an Apple computer; is that right.
A. I’m not sure, because I don’t remember -- I think it was Frank’s computer because -- it wouldn’t be mine, because I didn’t set up the AOL account until, like, after I came back, so it was probably Frank’s computer.
Q. Was your computer an Apple computer.
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. You told the sheriffs that it was either your computer or Frank’s computer during one of your interviews, right.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was Frank’s computer an Apple computer.
A. I think it was probably a Sony computer.
Q. And you told the sheriffs that Frank started looking at girls on those sites, right.
A. He started, like, typing up stuff, yes.
Q. Pardon me.
A. Yes.
Q. And did he ask you to join in.
A. No, well, he was -- he had it on his bed and he set it up, and there were -- well, Frank was typing in stuff and looking. And me, Michael and my brother were there.
Q. Is that when you say that Michael Jackson looked at a naked girl on the computer and said, “Got milk.”
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Now, to your knowledge, did Michael Jackson or Frank ever show you a website on a computer like that at any other time.
A. I don’t think so.
Q. Was that the only time.
A. I believe so.
Q. Okay. And Frank’s the one who initially was pressing the buttons to look up the site, correct.
A. Yes.
 
etoile 37 said:
So Frank Cascio wants us to believe all accusers? Did he forget that he was also accused by the Arvizos of showing them porn, as an adult? If he now says that the allegations against Michael are true, he's basically also saying that the accusations against himself were true too.

Worse even, Star said that the naked girls Frank showed them appeared to be between the age of 15 to 25 years, so underage girls. Now I only have one question for Frank: were the Arvizos lying? Did they *gasps* make false accusations? There ain't no way around it, Frank can't call Michael a pedophile without calling himself a pedophile too.

Star's testimony:

Q. Now, at some point that night , then , you go into Mr. Jackson’s bedroom ?
A. Yes.
Q. What were you doing in there; do you recall?
A. Well, it started out, like , we were going to watch some Disney cartoons, and a bunch of these videotapes of the Simpsons . And then Frank had – Frank Tyson had a computer — I don ‘t remember whether it was my computer or his computer — in there .
Q. Okay. Tell us what happened.
A. And then he set up the computer. And then Frank started doing this — doing stuff on the Internet . And then they started looking up, like, adult material sites .
Q. Where — was Mr. Jackson there?
A. Yeah.
Q. Was Mr. Jackson involved in that ?
A. Yes.
Q. And in what way?
A. Well, we were — he was , like , pointing out girls. Like, “Oh , I like her .” And then — but, I mean, he wasn’t typing. Frank was typing .
Q. So how long do you think — how many different sites do you think you went to?
A. Maybe, like, seven sites. We didn’t go to that many sites.
Q. And how long do you think you were doing this?
A. I don't know. Maybe, like, 15, 30 minutes. Something like that.
Q. I couldn't hear you.
A. I think maybe, like, 15, 30 minutes or something.
Q. And you described it as adult materials. Can you tell us whether it was male or female?
A. It was female.
Q. Can you tell us about the age — in your estimation, the age of the females that you saw ?
A. Maybe, like, 15 to, like, 25 years old .
Q. So between that range?
A. Yeah.

Gavin's testimony:

Q. Okay. You testified that Michael Jackson and Frank showed you a computer and went to websites with naked women, right.
A. Yes.
Q. And approximately when was that.
A. That was like on the first night that we were inside his room that we were going to go to sleep.
Q. And you said it was like an Apple computer; is that right.
A. I’m not sure, because I don’t remember -- I think it was Frank’s computer because -- it wouldn’t be mine, because I didn’t set up the AOL account until, like, after I came back, so it was probably Frank’s computer.
Q. Was your computer an Apple computer.
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. You told the sheriffs that it was either your computer or Frank’s computer during one of your interviews, right.
A. Yes, sir.
Q. Was Frank’s computer an Apple computer.
A. I think it was probably a Sony computer.
Q. And you told the sheriffs that Frank started looking at girls on those sites, right.
A. He started, like, typing up stuff, yes.
Q. Pardon me.
A. Yes.
Q. And did he ask you to join in.
A. No, well, he was -- he had it on his bed and he set it up, and there were -- well, Frank was typing in stuff and looking. And me, Michael and my brother were there.
Q. Is that when you say that Michael Jackson looked at a naked girl on the computer and said, “Got milk.”
A. Yes.
Q. Okay. Now, to your knowledge, did Michael Jackson or Frank ever show you a website on a computer like that at any other time.
A. I don’t think so.
Q. Was that the only time.
A. I believe so.
Q. Okay. And Frank’s the one who initially was pressing the buttons to look up the site, correct.
A. Yes.
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I think the Arvizos should sue the Cascios. They made enough money from selling the fake songs.
 
The podcast was utterly insensitive! Geragos sounds like he is trying to create a narrative that he has some big bombshell, but he is so vague and dances around it so much, that he just answers with questions. It sounds like he is trying to make a public spectacle, so the Estate gives them what they want, to silence any bad press. I may be completely wrong.

Watching this gave me a headache, it was frustrating. No wonder Michael got rid of him, he is very crooked. Thank God for Tom Mesereau.

The Daily Mail (disgusting tabloid) publishing a few hours after TMZ, is quite suspicious, and feel it's connected. Also, Frank hasn't publicly come forward with allegations yet.

I don’t want to gain sympathy, but ever since last night with that nonsensical podcast, Daily Fail, all these tears just keep rolling down my eyes. Luckily, I didn’t need to go out today, otherwise people would wonder what’s up with me. The utter betrayal, I just can’t understand. The root of all evil is money. I am relieved Michael is not here for this. I cannot fathom the deep pain he would feel, viewing them as second family, it would kill him.
 
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Even though this was expected by us as fans, this is deeply upsetting and depressing. The optics look bad for MJ, as most people will not bother to find out more than the fact that there are 5 more accusers. That's about all the information most will need.

MJ was such a bad judge of character, he couldn't seem to make the link that the very children he unhealthily idealised, grow up to be the very adults he couldn't trust. For all his obsession with childhood, he appeared not to realise that childhood doesn't exist in a vacuum, and all those adults he felt unsafe around were children too at one point.

Having watched him go through this stuff during his lifetime, the thought of watching him get dragged through the mud yet again is excruciatingly draining. I really feel for his family at this point. I feel for us as fans too, we finally get close to a trailer release, we finally have something to look forward to, but it's always one step forward and ten steps back as a MJ fan. It's like all we do as fans is relive the 93 allegations in different disguises every few years.

I think the only silver lining is that MJ didn't live to see all his surrogate families turn on him. And sadly, I don't even think this will be the last one, as MJ irresponsibly made himself vulnerable to such accusations repeatedly through his use of surrogate families.

If my words upset anyone reading this, I'm sorry, sadly this is the only way I can process it right now.
 
Arckangel said:
From 31:12 (in regard to the two reasons to settle):

Harvey: Okay, I don't have a dog in the fight, but there are two reasons why people settle. One, to bury the truth. And the second is because even an allegation becomes so damaging and so expensive to, uh, defend that it is cheaper and more, you know, just smarter to settle it, and you know, and you know that there are two different reasons why people settle.

From 33:19 (in regard to the two reasons to settle):

Harvey: I'm not taking the position. You just said to me there's only one reason, and I said there are two!

Mark: There's only one reason; you and I both know.

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If I understand correctly, Mark Geragos therefore believes that the Estate tried to keep the allegations secret for "one reason only": because the allegations are true.

How can Mark be so convinced the allegations are true? As Harvey explained to him, some allegations are false but so damaging w/ possible long and costly litigation that it may be best to just settle.

But once again, the Estate should NOT have paid the Cascios anything at all! (Each one of the Cascio siblings got $3.3 million dollars in Jan. 2020 after blackmailing the Estate. Officially, they were paid for their life story, but that was just a cover. And several years later, Frank & Co. demanded an additional $213 million. The Estate subsequently exposed the extortionary demands of the Cascios. Frank & Co. have now reduced their demand to $44 million.)

Blackmailers have a tendency to demand more and more money if they can... It doesn't just happen in the movies!

Mark Geragos is using this against the Estate.

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Mark explained to Harvey that Frank Cascio isn't giving specific details because of the NDA. Mark is therefore predicting that the NDA will be struck down, and that once it's done, a huge bombshell will explode and shatter the Estate.

Reportedly, Frank Cascio can't wait for the NDA to be lifted to speak to the media.
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:cautious::mad::cool: There is only ONE REASON for Mark to be involved at all.. how much MORE his bitter old ass can suck even more money out of Michael Jackson's pockets so to speak, I maybe wrong but did he not alo try to sue
Michael for the same figure as these LEECHES? :unsure: 👉 $400M is a very popular number for LEECHES that never made a tiny fraction of that
in a year in their entire lives while working BUT oooh when you are coming for MICHAEL MONEY you do not ever have to WORK again and
retire early on MJ'S dimes like they ALWAYS HAD apparently why stop now! Truth is they cannot afford to live without Michael's money!!
This is their game and they have to gamble because they are so good at gambing big and risking it all and losing even bigger!
Losers are as losers do!!
BIG DEBTS BIG LIES BIG MONEY BIG WIN BIG NEWS!

I think about it like this these guys all need the BIGGEST PAY DAY they have ever or will ever see in their lives and the FAME of how easily
they did it! They cannot stop because they have LOST everything already there is nothing left for them and they have to master mind a greed-driven plan to have all their financial problems, their families financial problems and debts all paid off for them to ever be well off at best!
These losers know that that this will be their only and last shot at Michael's cookie jar and they will get as dirty and as ugly as they have to beacuse if they do not get the BIG numbers they NEED to walk away from this they have already lost even if they by freak of nature ever possibly win :ROFLMAO:(y):ROFLMAO: with these gutless loser with a IN DEBT GO FUND ME LIFE!!

:mad:👉This is where I draw my moonwalking toes in the sand, they are ALL trying to literally take from Michael's KIDS Money!!
Whoever dares to even try to take anything away from Michael's babies is the lowest form of scum in my books!
Is Grey-ghost-ragosis not high level blood sucker and one of the oldest sack chaser in MJ history!

This is the SICKNESS of this industry that Michael exposed to the world!
When you have 2 destitute credit risks and a leaping lizard with "pathological greed" tendencies that would literally stop
at nothing, no advantage to low to STEAL from Michael and now his 3 children's inheritance should pay them for LYING too! :mad:

We know this *ish will not end, they will not stop coming for Michael, his children, his money, his legacy and his reputation, but he was way way to powerful , and to good to loved worldwide for them to control! They had to try everything they could to destroy ALL the love that the world had for him! We also know that we will never let them get away with it!! The TIME is over for getting angry about this when it will not stop period!
The time is NOW to UNITE & ORGANIZE very LOUD & DISRUPTIVE PROTESTS everywhere they go, and if for some strange reason some dog poo was suddenly hurled out of crowd and lands where ever then so be it, I do not have a napkin for them, I only hope their filthy, disgusting mouths are wide OPEN!
Or better yet let's back a lot of cakes and pies and add a very secret ingredient naturally sourced, Glutten Free sorry may contain nuts!

😋 😋 😋 😜

If they make it to my country I hope my cake looks like the chocolate perfection it is!!

 
kelley said:
Well you seem intent on spreading it as much as possible yourself.
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Are you really going to start this nonsense again? This is major news breaking and Arckangel has posted the link to the youtube video discussing the case - from where the story has originatet - meaning its the source! If Arckangel would not have shared the link and instead said its on youtube then people would have to go to youtube and watch it. It would give the video the same views, but it would give the youtube system algorithm plenty of more search hits while fans are trying to find the video.

Conclusion: Not sharing the youtube video on here would spread this more then including a youtube link!

And as you always sit on your high horse saying fans should get more educated and have their facts correct, surely you are not arguing that people should take part in discussions in this thread WITHOUT reading the news and listening to the podcast?

This is a Michael Jackson forum where this topic will be discussed - so posting a video to the source is not spreading it around as much as possible! That would be sharing the story on public facebook groups and on facebook walls etc, tik-tok, twitter, bluesky etc. How hard can that be to comprehend kelley?

How about we do not get into pointless internal wars on this forum when we are all in for hard times anyways?

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ATTENTION: Here is the youtube video with Geragos to download or watch online without giving the original source hits and attention:

https://pixeldrain.com/u/NajwJkLQ

I am not sure in the grand scheme things it matters much, but I did it anyway :)
 
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mjfanboy27 said:
One can hope that the new developments do not reach the world press only we fans know it
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The way it looks the only way this is not going public is if The Estate can keep the Cascios from talking to the media and filing public lawsuits about
this. Or if the Estate settles the case and gives The Cascios enough money so they wont need any more before they are all dead!

With the biopic coming up and the trial vs Safechuck & Robson I am not optimistic of this not hitting the public! Of course it could be a disaster if there would be another civil lawsuit against MJJ Productions & MJJ ventures or if the cascios were to be able to join Safechucks & Robsons lawsuit!

Of course Geragos and the cascios knows the biopic is very important to the estate and that the estate might actually save money from settling with them and having the biopic haul in big money rather than for the film to flop and having molestation lawsuits to litigate for the next 5-10 years!

Its a complete nightmare to the Estate and the people in charge of the biopic, it could become absolutely chaos!
 
jasmine.uddin said:
Does anyone know why the Cascios received no legal repercussions over the fake songs for fraud?
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Might have something to do with if the Estate were to legally and in public go after them they are opening themselves up for other parties going after the Estate as they sold the songs to the public? Kind of meaning if we give the Cascios hell then we will be put through hell ourselves! So better to just let it be and move on!
 
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kelley said:
Well you seem intent on spreading it as much as possible yourself.
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Rather than bury our head in the sand? 🧐

Yet again you have another go at the fans , why not take your anger out on the media and tell them what you really think?

This is a fans forum, if you don’t like it feel free to leave 👍
 
Geragos claims the MJ Estate did not sue Cascio over extortion. But if you go to someone and threatens them to go public with molestation allegations unless you give me 213$ millions, that is by textbook extortion not matter how Geragos tries to spin it. The filing by the Estate was done because the cascios were trying to export enormous amounts of money! I am glad the "host" actually said that as well.

Further, Geragos claims the NDA the MJ Estate signed with Frank Cascio that paid him 3.3$ million is unlawful as you can not do that in cases involving child molestation in california. Acording to a law that was newly adopted in 2019 according to Geragos which just happens to be very the same year Leaving Neverland was released and Cascios turned on MJ.

If Geragos is correct we might end up in a situation where the Estate has paid the Cascios money to shut them up and then eventually that will all be voided and the Cascios free to file lawsuits, make documentaries, t-shows books etc about molestation allegations.

Can anyone make this shit up?

Especially with Robson & Safechuck being thrown out of court multiple times for 6+ years before the law magically changed and new stuff was implented for them to try again and finally get the case going forward and finally reaching court next year. Its like all of this has endless life!

This Harvey guy on TMZ actually did a fair job on this interview, he was much more neutral than most hosts would be! I would not advice anyone to watch the interview though, most of it was just the two laughing as two friends poking fun at another!
 
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