The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

When I put something on my channel and people start all this nonsense talk...
... about file traders and - somehow - my name is being thrown in.

As a reminder: I did not make anyone believe there would be leaks. So no idea why my name is randomly thrown in here.

The last time I posted in this thread was when I warned that a forgery was sold. A file leaking doesn't make the item authentic. It's also none of my business whatever file trading is happening.

I do care about fans not being duped into buying fake items though. In the past I have always warned about fake items and have been vocal about scammers. No ones likes being scammed. Not everyone here might be in a position to consider buying but there are enough people reading here who do either collect themselves or have friends who do. This is basically the last forum where people still read. And I don't see any harm in warning fellow fans about people who are not honest but deceiving.

Nowadays this thread is heavily derailed with all kinds of gossip about a weird community who spreads false info here and there.
I don't comment on any file traders' teasing with what they - as is usually the case - have obtained by a known person.

I will just say the most obvious: File traders are usually scammers. Keep that in mind. That's it, folks! ;)
Then post everything you have unedited so people won't get scammed when they buy it from your friends who change the quality of shit.

GYWOOM.mp3/Neff-U mix.mp3 ahhh
 
Then post everything you have unedited so people won't get scammed when they buy it from your friends who change the quality of shit.
To be honest: You are one of those folks who are either obsessed with my nickname or you simply assume - as in your mockery - everything would somehow have to do with me. It's a rather sad thing to observe because that's a very narrow-minded mindset.
 
When I put something on my channel and people start all this nonsense talk...
... about file traders and - somehow - my name is being thrown in.

As a reminder: I did not make anyone believe there would be leaks. So no idea why my name is randomly thrown in here.

The last time I posted in this thread was when I warned that a forgery was sold. A file leaking doesn't make the item authentic. It's also none of my business whatever file trading is happening.

I do care about fans not being duped into buying fake items though. In the past I have always warned about fake items and have been vocal about scammers. No ones likes being scammed. Not everyone here might be in a position to consider buying but there are enough people reading here who do either collect themselves or have friends who do. This is basically the last forum where people still read. And I don't see any harm in warning fellow fans about people who are not honest but deceiving.

Nowadays this thread is heavily derailed with all kinds of gossip about a weird community who spreads false info here and there.
I don't comment on any file traders' teasing with what they - as is usually the case - have obtained by a known person.

I will just say the most obvious: File traders are usually scammers. Keep that in mind. That's it, folks! ;)
Yes, you gatekeep files and call this community that talks about said files “weird.” Sybau
 
To be honest: You are one of those folks who are either obsessed with my nickname or you simply assume - as in your mockery - everything would somehow have to do with me. It's a rather sad thing to observe because that's a very narrow-minded mindset.
You’re the idiot who posted a heavily compressed version of a file that leaked in 2023 and tries to pass it off as something new lol
 
When I put something on my channel and people start all this nonsense talk...
... about file traders and - somehow - my name is being thrown in.

As a reminder: I did not make anyone believe there would be leaks. So no idea why my name is randomly thrown in here.

The last time I posted in this thread was when I warned that a forgery was sold. A file leaking doesn't make the item authentic. It's also none of my business whatever file trading is happening.

I do care about fans not being duped into buying fake items though. In the past I have always warned about fake items and have been vocal about scammers. No ones likes being scammed. Not everyone here might be in a position to consider buying but there are enough people reading here who do either collect themselves or have friends who do. This is basically the last forum where people still read. And I don't see any harm in warning fellow fans about people who are not honest but deceiving.

Nowadays this thread is heavily derailed with all kinds of gossip about a weird community who spreads false info here and there.
I don't comment on any file traders' teasing with what they - as is usually the case - have obtained by a known person.

I will just say the most obvious: File traders are usually scammers. Keep that in mind. That's it, folks! ;)
Brother this has absolutely NOTHING to do with whatever you're talking about here with scam files/fake songs or whatever. We're talking about clowning on you for dickteasing songs to a long dry community. The reason your "name is randomly thrown in here" is because you are the biggest proponent of this. It's cringe.
 
To be honest: You are one of those folks who are either obsessed with my nickname or you simply assume - as in your mockery - everything would somehow have to do with me. It's a rather sad thing to observe because that's a very narrow-minded mindset.
You say I assume everything’s about you, yet here you are assuming things about me in the same breath. That’s not insight, that’s projection. You act like you’re above it all, but somehow you always pop up posting something whenever a leak drops.


Like "Hey guys! I'm still here, remember me??.."
 
Does the original 1980 version have only Michael’s vocals? Cus I know that the vocals that Anka had in the 2013 I Never Heard weren’t in the original
 
Wow 😯I was reading the post and I have seen that you have share my videos I'm shocked (really lol), THANK YOU SO MUCH but where you have find my real name 🤣 I'm probably not the best at all for remastering etc but It's an honor to have my video post here, So THANK YOU ♥
@MJFFR 🫶 👏👌🤏🫶OMG I had no idea or even a clue that you were actually HERE with US in MJJC!! It is an honor that you are HERE!!!
I loved your creatives, and I truly appreciate how long it takes and what hard work it requires to make these remastered videos look so seemlessly PERFECT for Michael's Legacy! Just like Michael you are a perfectionist of your craft!!!!

Your are a true MJ Hero for the deep love and great respect you have for him in everything you DO to keep his LEGACY ALIVE!!
BRAVO and please never stop doing what you do! I loved every crafted piece of MJ ARTWORK YOU MADE!!

🫶You did not come here to MMJC an BRAG about what YOU have already DONE brilliantly for Michael!
👉You did not draw attention to yourself here, you did not ask anyone on this site for any notice or FAME!⭐
All you asked was that you not be identified, for your own MODESTY! 🏆

Your the kind of warrior and fan that Michael Jackson truly deserves and your a gift to FRANCE and to MJJC as well!!
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I will never forget you and I want to THANK YOU directly for your MJ DEDICATION and MJ INSPIRATIONS!!

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So all this arguing with Korgnex and Motif led us to getting Blue Powder so a win I guess lol, even if it’s dog water lol
 
Is there even a difference between the two he uploaded lol
Yeah the first one is far worse but this second one is also bad and heavily compressed. I'm not sure what he's going for with the "Korg Master" but maybe 3rd time's the charm.
 
Okay this is going to be a longer post.

First of all, I've got to admit I initially believed the copy of "Bubbles" uploaded by Motif was authentic, simply because I wasn't quite familiar with his "memey" content on YouTube.

As a fan of Michael and his music I keep finding the whole collector community here pretty weird. I have already explained my stance on 1-second/manipulated/AI "enhanced" leaks here earlier, but I keep finding about more and more animosity between individual collectors here which I had never witnessed before.

In the past couple of years I've been able to get in contact with a few collectors of one of my other favourite singers (I won't reveal who). The singer's got lots of unreleased material circulating online leaked by fans (albeit in slightly edited (fan edits) or low-quality copies), which is slowly being taken down by the singer's estate and SME. The whole collectors community is very friendly, but is a bit secretive and prefers to not talk about unreleased material often. The reason is that the majority of the circulated material originates from studio discs/DATs sold by one of the singer's past close friends amid a financial crisis. The material was then distributed by some collectors on CDs sold to select fans, who have likely promised to not share any copies of the material publicly. Some of them violated that promise and kept circulating copies online, which have eventually made their way onto forums and YouTube. Among the material are songs worked on by the singer as part of an unreleased collaboration project; those songs are being taken down by the friend himself, who essentially served as the executive producer for the project.

Within the whole community, there's only one collector who keeps "bragging" about material he owns but never reveals any details about it. He has uploaded short snippets of some of the songs he owns in the past, but he's also known for submitting fake/non-existent items on Discogs and making up 'facts'. To cut a story short, he's a gatekeeping attention-seeker. I've been enjoying chats with the other collectors, who are very friendly and open to sharing new information, albeit with carefulness. I strongly believe those collectors shouldn't be classified as "gatekeepers"; they are simply cautious because lots of people who have repeatedly promised to keep the material for themselves kept circulating copies online, and although I'd surely wish to hear all those tracks, I think their choice should be respected.

Now, I don't want to attack anyone personally, simply because I'm not in any way angaged with, don't fully know nor understand the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff and relations between all the collectors here, but as a fan who seeks more knowledge about Michael's unreleased songs I keep finding there are lots of gatekeepers and attention-seekers within the MJ collector community who literally can't stand each other, be it because of their behavior or because of ego issues. I'm not disputing anyone's credibility here; I don't even want to and I'm grateful for all the info they are able and willing to give us, but deconstructing individual songs, isolating and removing their parts, "reduxing"/"remastering" the songs, stuffing them on top of each other, compressing them down to hell and then leaking a 1-second copy with absolutely no context given should be criminal. It's an injustice to any artist and the fan community as a whole. I'm not suprised that lots of newcomers or even long-time fans here have doubts about the authenticity of everything that leaks, because man, the way the songs are altered nowadays is absolutely insane.

EDIT: That doesn't mean I want Motif to stop uploading any of his content. I know he's also manipulating songs to a big degree, but he explicitly shows his memey way of "leaking" stuff, and I have to admit I find it funny. Keep on posting.
 
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Okay this is going to be a longer post.

First of all, I've got to admit I initially believed the copy of "Bubbles" uploaded by Motif was authentic, simply because I wasn't quite familiar with his "memey" content on YouTube.

As a fan of Michael and his music I keep finding the whole collector community here pretty weird. I have already explained my stance on 1-second/manipulated/AI "enhanced" leaks here earlier, but I keep finding about more and more animosity between individual collectors here which I had never witnessed before.

In the past couple of years I've been able to get in contact with a few collectors of one of my other favourite singers (I won't reveal who). The singer's got lots of unreleased material circulating online leaked by fans (albeit in slightly edited (fan edits) or low-quality copies), which is slowly being taken down by the singer's estate and SME. The whole collectors community is very friendly, but is a bit secretive and prefers to not talk about unreleased material often. The reason is that the majority of the circulated material originates from studio discs/DATs sold by one of the singer's past close friends amid a financial crisis. The material was then distributed by some collectors on CDs sold to select fans, who have likely promised to not share any copies of the material publicly. Some of them violated that promise and kept circulating copies online, which have eventually made their way onto forums and YouTube. Among the material are songs worked on by the singer as part of an unreleased collaboration project; those songs are being taken down by the friend himself, who essentially served as the executive producer for the project.

Within the whole community, there's only one collector who keeps "bragging" about material he owns but never reveals any details about it. He has uploaded short snippets of some of the songs he owns in the past, but he's also known for submitting fake/non-existent items on Discogs and making up 'facts'. To cut a story short, he's a gatekeeping attention-seeker. I've been enjoying chats with the other collectors, who are very friendly and open to sharing new information, albeit with carefulness. I strongly believe those collectors shouldn't be classified as "gatekeepers"; they are simply cautious because lots of people who have repeatedly promised to keep the material for themselves kept circulating copies online, and although I'd surely wish to hear all those tracks, I think their choice should be respected.

Now, I don't want to attack anyone personally, simply because I'm not in any way angaged with, don't fully know nor understand the 'behind-the-scenes' stuff and relations between all the collectors here, but as a fan who seeks more knowledge about Michael's unreleased songs I keep finding there are lots of gatekeepers and attention-seekers within the MJ collector community who literally can't stand each other, be it because of their behavior or because of ego issues. I'm not disputing anyone's credibility here; I don't even want to and I'm grateful for all the info they are able and willing to give us, but deconstructing individual songs, isolating and removing their parts, "reduxing"/"remastering" the songs, stuffing them on top of each other, compressing them down to hell and then leaking a 1-second copy with absolutely no context given should be criminal. It's an injustice to any artist and the fan community as a whole. I'm not suprised that lots of newcomers or even long-time fans here have doubts about the authenticity of everything that leaks, because man, the way the songs are altered nowadays is absolutely insane.

EDIT: That doesn't mean I want Motif to stop uploading any of his content. I know he's also manipulating songs to a big degree, but he explicitly shows his memey way of "leaking" stuff, and I have to admit I find it funny. Keep on posting.
In the case of MJ, it’s not just a matter of someone who worked with him selling a few DATs because they needed money. Allegedly, there’s a deeper and messier side to it. A lot of these so-called “collectors” don’t just do it for the music, their ego plays a huge part.

Some of them manipulate people who actually worked with Michael, gaining their trust to get information or material they can later gatekeep. In situations like the Brad Buxer, MP, or Paul Anka stuff, it’s been alleged that a lot of it came from hackers who got into personal accounts and stole files to sell. Even if people don’t have stuff or would never sell, they’re constantly going after and manipulating anyone who worked with Michael to squeeze any information out from them, while simultaneously paying hackers for the work these people themselves don’t even have.

Once people get their hands on that kind of material, it becomes an endless cycle. They always want more, they start editing the files, adding invisible watermarks, and selling lower-quality versions just so they can keep the “master” and trace future leaks. I’m not sure exactly but various multitracks and song leaks have these watermarks on them. We don’t even have the original untouched stuff for a lot of things. What’s funny is they’ll buy something, call it garbage, then still hoard it and flip it to fund the next “garbage” song that only they’ll have.

Meanwhile, they’re all keeping tabs on and watching everyone. Alt accounts, word-of-mouth gossip, and even going after deals just to stop others from getting stuff and sharing it, all to feel important and in control.

Bottom line: if you end up with something you shouldn’t have, it’s only a matter of time before it leaks.
 
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