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MsAshley said:
What do you mean sketchy used copies from strangers? I've never had a problem buying on Discogs, it's basically like eBay for music.
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I know people who have had less than desirable experiences on Discogs, sadly. Not saying itā€™s a bad resource, but when it comes to vinyls, I personally prefer a brand-new copy if possible.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I know people who have had less than desirable experiences on Discogs, sadly. Not saying itā€™s a bad resource, but when it comes to vinyls, I personally prefer a brand-new copy if possible.
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Yeah, I get wanting something new. I'm not really for or against this release at all. But Discogs really isn't any different than any other online marketplace. You have protections if things go wrong, and yeah, like anywhere things can go wrong. I don't think it's a fair assessment is all.
 
I don't get it. Sony released Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible, Essential and Number Ones on vinyl on launch day. NOBODY bought any of them. In short, they were not vinyl albums, the vast majority of every album from 1991 onwards was sold almost exclusively on CD, with cassette making up 10-20%, and vinyl coming third, with approx 1% of total sales. People had their chance, and they said "no thanks."

There is a reason for this.
 
R1chard said:
I don't get it. Sony released Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible, Essential and Number Ones on vinyl on launch day. NOBODY bought any of them. In short, they were not vinyl albums, the vast majority of every album from 1991 onwards was sold almost exclusively on CD, with cassette making up 10-20%, and vinyl coming third, with approx 1% of total sales. People had their chance, and they said "no thanks."

There is a reason for this.
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Maybe because cd was the prominent format from 90ā€™s and 00ā€™s. Right now loads of people buy vinyl. Cdā€™s donā€™t come close. Why not re-release them after 30 years?
 
R1chard said:
I don't get it. Sony released Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible, Essential and Number Ones on vinyl on launch day. NOBODY bought any of them. In short, they were not vinyl albums, the vast majority of every album from 1991 onwards was sold almost exclusively on CD, with cassette making up 10-20%, and vinyl coming third, with approx 1% of total sales. People had their chance, and they said "no thanks."

There is a reason for this.
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Just because the Vinyl didnā€™t sell back then, doesnā€™t mean that it shouldnā€™t be pressed nowadays, it absolutely should. It wasnā€˜t bought back then due to Vinyl simply not being bought by any consumers at all anymore, since CD is the objectively better and more convenient format, although Vinyl can sound better than CD. If we were to compare a CD and Vinyl, that uses the exact same master, and would supposed to sound 1:1 the same, the Vinyl would be preferred by msot people, not because of itā€˜s sound but due to itā€˜s texture. That is what the CD doesnā€˜t have. And now, people want that texture, the ritual and the experience. Inconvenience is preferred over convenience, and that is the lovely way to go (pun intended) to fully surrender to the music.
 
R1chard said:
I don't get it. Sony released Dangerous, HIStory, BOTDF, Invincible, Essential and Number Ones on vinyl on launch day. NOBODY bought any of them. In short, they were not vinyl albums, the vast majority of every album from 1991 onwards was sold almost exclusively on CD, with cassette making up 10-20%, and vinyl coming third, with approx 1% of total sales. People had their chance, and they said "no thanks."

There is a reason for this.
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Do you know what trends are?

Back then CD was "the thing", of course people wanted it. Nowadays the trend is to escape from the fast, cold, modern world, that's a reason why vinyl is more popular again. No magic or mysteries here.
 
someplace_else said:
Do you know what trends are?

Back then CD was "the thing", of course people wanted it. Nowadays the trend is to escape from the fast, cold, modern world, that's a reason why vinyl is more popular again. No magic or mysteries here.
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us top-50 albums : number ones ( 19)

activity ( 26,000)
albums ( 8000).
 
michaeljackson.nl said:
Maybe because cd was the prominent format from 90ā€™s and 00ā€™s.
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That's right. The totally dominant format.

michaeljackson.nl said:
Right now loads of people buy vinyl. Cdā€™s donā€™t come close
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Actually, they're kinda neck and neck. In the US it's 43 million vinyl vs 37 million CDs. CDs are more popular in Germany, Japan and the UK.

michaeljackson.nl said:
Why not re-release them after 30 years?
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Because it's going backwards, I guess. CDs were the result of a hundred years of evolution in recorded sound. At this point you're stepping back 80 years.

mjfp said:
Just because the Vinyl didnā€™t sell back then, doesnā€™t mean that it shouldnā€™t be pressed nowadays, it absolutely should. It wasnā€˜t bought back then due to Vinyl simply not being bought by any consumers at all anymore, since CD is the objectively better and more convenient format
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Exactly. Vinyl died a natural death based on merit. And back then the interest was in moving towards making music cheaper and easier to sell, rather than more expensive and more difficult to deliver.

With CDs, it had essentially got to the stage where the cost of manufacturing the disc was zero, you were only really paying for the music to be recorded. Now it's gone the opposite way again - you're paying $40-80 for the disc, packaging and shipping, which vastly dwarfs the cost of the music itself.

mjfp said:
although Vinyl can sound better than CD. If we were to compare a CD and Vinyl, that uses the exact same master, and would supposed to sound 1:1 the same, the Vinyl would be preferred by msot people, not because of itā€˜s sound but due to itā€˜s texture.
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Nah, CD clearly sounds better than a new vinyl. With an old vinyl the difference only grows.

mjfp said:
That is what the CD doesnā€˜t have. And now, people want that texture, the ritual and the experience. Inconvenience is preferred over convenience
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Oh wait, you think people are actually playing records to listen to the music?!

someplace_else said:
Do you know what trends are?

Back then CD was "the thing", of course people wanted it.
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I wouldn't quite describe it that way, but yeah. CDs weren't "trendy". They didn't really give it any thought. If you bought music, you bought a CD.

someplace_else said:
Nowadays the trend is to escape from the fast, cold, modern world, that's a reason why vinyl is more popular again. No magic or mysteries here.
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I think really it's because they've been told all their records are going to be worth thousands of dollars. Basically they just want records to sit on their shelf because they've been told they're "limited edition".

It's the classic hoodwink - charge people much more money for the same product on an inferior format.
 
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R1chard said:
I think really it's because they've been told all their records are going to be worth thousands of dollars. Basically they just want records to sit on their shelf because they've been told they're "limited edition".

It's the classic hoodwink - charge people much more money for the same product on an inferior format.

With CDs, it had essentially got to the stage where the cost of manufacturing the disc was zero, you were only really paying for the music. Now it's gone the opposite way again - you're paying $40-80 for the disc, packaging and shipping, which vastly dwarfs the cost of the music itself.
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I can only speak for myself and maybe for some other people I talked to: I/we really enjoy to sit down, prepare everything and listen to the music on a sound system.

I also listen a lot via Tidal and smartphone (headphones), but it's a totally different feeling, so I think this is a major reason, too.
 
someplace_else said:
I can only speak for myself and maybe for some other people I talked to: I/we really enjoy to sit down, prepare everything and listen to the music on a sound system.
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Oh, I know the feeling. See reply #79, earlier in this thread.

And when I've prepared everything and I'm sitting down listening with no distractions, that's when I appreciate the best possible reproduction, hence my preference for CD/SACD.

All I m saying is, don't take Sony's word for it when they say vinyl sounds better and is more "collectable". Whatever that means. They're only saying that because it increases their profit margins.

someplace_else said:
I also listen a lot via Tidal and smartphone (headphones), but it's a totally different feeling, so I think this is a major reason, too.
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I never do that. It's a bit of an insult to the artists, really.
 
R1chard said:
I think really it's because they've been told all their records are going to be worth thousands of dollars. Basically they just want records to sit on their shelf because they've been told they're "limited edition".
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Absolutely nobody thinks this. People like vinyl, because of the feeling of owning something, and of course the nice big cover art.
 
Mine arrived, and it is lovely to see that cover so big. BUT.... it does highlight the weird ponytail erasure!

Should be spinning it tomorrow afternoon
 
michaeljackson.nl said:
Absolutely nobody thinks this. People like vinyl, because of the feeling of owning something, and of course the nice big cover art.
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Canā€™t beat the physical experience of putting it on. Vinyl also has a nice sound to it, although not technically superior itā€™s still very crispy and clear. The extra noise only adds to the experience on older records.
 
Euan said:
Canā€™t beat the physical experience of putting it on. Vinyl also has a nice sound to it, although not technically superior itā€™s still very crispy and clear. The extra noise only adds to the experience on older records.
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Did you get the standard or red edition? Never got a chance over the weekend to listen.
 
Euan said:
I got the red one, they only had that one in stock as far as I could see. Sounds great I listened a few times already. What about yourself?
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Red but still struggling to find the time to spin it! Glad to hear it sounds good. I remember the day I got the CD, so I'm glad that I associate the album with the day I got the CD and not what followed!
 
I've been travelling around and now I'm in Japan, Tokyo.
I just bought the red one along with other cds and vinyls. šŸ«¶
 
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