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Does anyone know why the put on the re-issues of his old albums (except HIStory) just as he was releasing 'Invincible'?

They were great releases at the time, but I'm wondering if it made casual fans turn off the new album when there were the classics out there being promoted too?
 
I was very pleased with the re-releases at the time. It gave me my first experience with Off the Wall, Thriller and Bad.
 
threatened2020 said:
Was then when it looked like Dangerous would a be a double cd?
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Yes.


[FONT=Arial,helvetica] Classic Reissues - Complete Tracklistings​

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[FONT=Arial,helvetica]Sony Music has released today the official tracklisting information for Michael Jackson's remastered editions of "Off The Wall," "Thriller," "Bad" and "Dangerous."

Tracklisting as follows:

OFF THE WALL
1- Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
2- Rock With You
3- Working Day And Night
4- Get On The Floor
5- Off The Wall
6- Girlfriend
7- She's Out Of My Life
8- I Can't Help It
9- It's The Falling In Love
10- Burn This Disco Out
Bonus Tracks:
11- Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough
12- Sunset Driver
13- You Can't Win

THRILLER
1-Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'
2- Baby Be Mine
3- The Girl Is Mine
4- Thriller
5- Beat It
6- Billie Jean
7- Human Nature
8- P.Y.T. (Pretty Young Thing)
9- The Lady In My Life
Bonus Tracks:
10- Vincent Price
11- Got The Hots
12- Carousel
13- Someone In The Dark

BAD
1- Bad
2- The Way You Make Me Feel
3- Speed Demon
4- Liberian Girl
5- Just Good Friends
6- Another Part Of Me
7- Man In The Mirror
8- I Just Can't Stop Loving You
9- Dirty Diana
10- Smooth Criminal
11- Leave Me Alone
Bonus Tracks:
12- Bumper Snippet
13- Streetwalker
14- Someone Put Your Hand Out
15- I Just Can't Stop Loving You
16- Fly Away

DANGEROUS
1- Jam
2- Why You Wanna Trip On Me
3- In The Closet
4- She Drives Me Wild
5- Remember The Time
6- Can't Let Her Get Away
7- Heal The World
8- Black Or White
9- Who Is It
10- Give In To Me
11- Will You Be There
12- Keep The Faith
13- Gone Too Soon
14- Dangerous
Bonus Tracks (on additional disc):
1- Bumper Snippet (Kid)
2- Monkey Business
3- Work That Body
4- If You Don't Love Me
5- Serious Effect
6- Happy Birthday, Lisa
7- She Got It
8- Black Or White (Remix)
9- Dangerous (Alternate Version)
10- Who Is It (Remix)

Note: Additional information on bonus tracks will be available soon.[/FONT]


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If I remember correctly, MJ was the one who pushed to have them released; Sony and Mottola were annoyed. Something along the lines of them having already spent so much money on Invincible, and then MJ gets these reissues released.
 
threatened2020 said:
Does anyone know why the put on the re-issues of his old albums (except HIStory) just as he was releasing 'Invincible'?
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Audiophile hypothesis: these old releases still had some dynamic range headspace to be removed in order to release versions tending toward brickwalls and called remasters. If they did the same with HIStory, it would have been unlistenable (more or less like Thriller 2008, but too early).
 
threatened2020 said:
Does anyone know why the put on the re-issues of his old albums (except HIStory) just as he was releasing 'Invincible'?
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I guess Sony just thought they could get cheap promotion. Advertise the new album, sell the others at the same time.

threatened2020 said:
They were great releases at the time
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Nah, they were pretty terrible. The sound was atrocious - they did nothing but give people a bad opinion of MJs catalogue.

Based on the reply above, maybe that's another reason. Get people used to Thriller being brick walled, then they won't notice how bad Invincible sounds either.

threatened2020 said:
Was then when it looked like Dangerous would a be a double cd?
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Dangerous already had a second CD - in Japan in 1993. And it's not too bad.
 
R1chard said:
I guess Sony just thought they could get cheap promotion. Advertise the new album, sell the others at the same time.


Nah, they were pretty terrible. The sound was atrocious - they did nothing but give people a bad opinion of MJs catalogue.

Based on the reply above, maybe that's another reason. Get people used to Thriller being brick walled, then they won't notice how bad Invincible sounds either.


Dangerous already had a second CD - in Japan in 1993. And it's not too bad.
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What was on the second disc?
 
When were 2001 re-issues released? Were they released before the release of Invincible or after?
 
R1chard said:
Nah, they were pretty terrible. The sound was atrocious - they did nothing but give people a bad opinion of MJs catalogue.
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I think you are severely exaggerating how much this topic matters to the average music listener in 2026, much less in 2001 when high quality audio was far less accessible.
 
innuendo141 said:
I remember getting the Bad SE on the same day I got Invincible.

Hearing Streetwalker on the same day I heard Invincible did not help it in any way, shape or form.
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Rightly or wrongly, people will always compare an artist's most recent work to their previous work.

And I am sure listening to Invincible at the same time as stuff from Michael's previous albums contributed to the overall underwhelming reaction to Invincible.
 
Nite Line said:
Rightly or wrongly, people will always compare an artist's most recent work to their previous work.

And I am sure listening to Invincible at the same time as stuff from Michael's previous albums contributed to the overall underwhelming reaction to Invincible.
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It absolutely did for me - I have such a vivid memory at 15 of sitting beside my aunts CD player in Luxembourg after buying both CD's, and the sheer difference in emotion from hearing Streetwalker to any song that was on Invincible. Not one song gave me that "kick" that Streetwalker did from the moment it started. I remember liking Privacy, YRMW and Speechless because they sounded most like "MJ songs" to me, but that Bad Special Edition CD killed any proper chance for that album to connect with me straight away. Even the booklet of the Bad SE was a distraction! Pics I had never seen before vs a drawing by Uri f*cking Geller!

I had forgotten this memory, that was a nice walk down memory lane!
 
innuendo141 said:
It absolutely did for me - I have such a vivid memory at 15 of sitting beside my aunts CD player in Luxembourg after buying both CD's, and the sheer difference in emotion from hearing Streetwalker to any song that was on Invincible. Not one song gave me that "kick" that Streetwalker did from the moment it started. I remember liking Privacy, YRMW and Speechless because they sounded most like "MJ songs" to me, but that Bad Special Edition CD killed any proper chance for that album to connect with me straight away. Even the booklet of the Bad SE was a distraction! Pics I had never seen before vs a drawing by Uri f*cking Geller!

I had forgotten this memory, that was a nice walk down memory lane!
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Do not get me started on uri geller
 
innuendo141 said:
It absolutely did for me - I have such a vivid memory at 15 of sitting beside my aunts CD player in Luxembourg after buying both CD's, and the sheer difference in emotion from hearing Streetwalker to any song that was on Invincible. Not one song gave me that "kick" that Streetwalker did from the moment it started. I remember liking Privacy, YRMW and Speechless because they sounded most like "MJ songs" to me, but that Bad Special Edition CD killed any proper chance for that album to connect with me straight away. Even the booklet of the Bad SE was a distraction! Pics I had never seen before vs a drawing by Uri f*cking Geller!

I had forgotten this memory, that was a nice walk down memory lane!
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It wasn't much different with me. I've enjoyed the SE's more than Invincible. Both, Streetwalker & Fly Away, felt more Michael-ish than the entire Invincible album.

Just imagine what would have happened if all four SE's had the initial bonus content.
 
I actually kept the 2001 masters as my copies of MJ albums for years. I think my local storage versions of MJs albums are probably still 2001 SE rips I did.

I thought they were great, apart from Dangerous.
 
^ those are great except their unnecessary compression. The MoFi cd's do justice to Bruce' 1999 mixes; looking forward for MoFi's treatment of Bad & Invincible.
 
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