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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

kelley said:
Whelp I tried to warn people about Brad and his enlarged EGO (which fans help feed) and his lies about Michael no giving him credit for SIM (which evolved substantially over the years)

Im not the least bit surprise to hear he is staking a claim on other songs. Give a liar an inch and they will take a mile, that's why the fandom should have pushed back hard on his new post death stranger in moscow claims instead of just blindly believing him and taking his word as fact.
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This was weeks ago 😭
 
Quick question, do we have a definitive estimate as to when Abortion Papers was recorded? I’ve seen 1983, 85, and 86 thrown around, but I have no idea for sure. Also, was the Song Groove title something that was made up for Bad 25? Or was it apart of the title originally?
 
Clay7 said:
the instrumental with BGV surfaced in 2020 and there were fake snippets in 2018-2019. Honestly no idea who made it. I want to say I did hear the CDQ track at some point but I may be misremembering. Looking on YT it looks like the original track has been removed and now it’s just shitty edits with MJ adlibs thrown ontop or instrumental remakes.
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I saw somewhere that the performer is Jike Mackson, but I have no idea about the instrumental, maybe Sisk Reeves (he was the first to post the snippet of Saturday Woman on youtube)
 
Glanni said:
Any infos on this random song? I remember this being all over the MJ community back in the early 2000s!


I have the feeling we never really found out whether or not its Michael or if it has any connection to him. But before Invincible album release this song circulated online as a "MJ" Song.
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HAHAHAHA THE GOOD OLD 2000
 
Glanni said:
Any infos on this random song? I remember this being all over the MJ community back in the early 2000s!


I have the feeling we never really found out whether or not its Michael or if it has any connection to him. But before Invincible album release this song circulated online as a "MJ" Song.
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I remember this very well, it never vocally sounded like MJ, but I always thought it was very similar to Beautiful Girl sonically wise
 
threepea11 said:
Quick question, do we have a definitive estimate as to when Abortion Papers was recorded? I’ve seen 1983, 85, and 86 thrown around, but I have no idea for sure. Also, was the Song Groove title something that was made up for Bad 25? Or was it apart of the title originally?
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This was a song that we initially missed during archiving. It was titled 'Song Groove' on the box so we overlooked it. - Matt Forger

I'm guessing Abortion Papers was a title created since it's said in the chorus . The original was likely the instrumental song groove before he laid vocals but never named it
 
Derek1984 said:
Let's just pretend "Snakepit" does exist. If there was a video, that means the song made it to Quincy at Westlake. Brad would surely know about it.
It's an odd title for a song, and the first time I think we've ever heard of this. Hard to think that it does exist.
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Both articles that mention Snakepit were written by Steven Ivory; he's a guy who knew Q in person. Dunno if he'd made things up.
 
threepea11 said:
Quick question, do we have a definitive estimate as to when Abortion Papers was recorded? I’ve seen 1983, 85, and 86 thrown around, but I have no idea for sure. Also, was the Song Groove title something that was made up for Bad 25? Or was it apart of the title originally?
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1984
 
Fuzball said:
Both articles that mention Snakepit were written by Steven Ivory; he's a guy who knew Q in person. Dunno if he'd made things up.
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Now that I think about it, it has become difficult to assume Snakepit was wholly made up - not just because of the Ivory-Q connection, but also because Quincy usually kept outtakes for albums he worked on a tightly-lipped secret (for instance: we don't know the rest of the 30 tracks made during Thriller's studio sessions - sans the main tracks and released/leaked outtakes). So it's not out-of-the question for Snakepit to have existed as something Quincy championed - both as a song and a video-led single - that got rejected by Michael in the middle (or even near the end) of its production.
 
SeriousFX said:
Now that I think about it, it has become difficult to assume Snakepit was wholly made up - not just because of the Ivory-Q connection, but also because Quincy usually kept outtakes for albums he worked on a tightly-lipped secret (for instance: we don't know the rest of the 30 tracks made during Thriller's studio sessions - sans the main tracks and released/leaked outtakes). So it's not out-of-the question for Snakepit to have existed as something Quincy championed - both as a song and a video-led single - that got rejected by Michael in the middle (or even near the end) of its production.
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Quincy who gave MJ idea to recorded crack kills
 
Clay7 said:
WHY in the hell would you ask FRANK CASCIO to verify ANYTHING 😭😭😭
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It’s true that he doesn’t come from a particularly trustworthy family to say the very least, but in his book, he did mention a handful of other song titles that we now know for a fact are legitimate: Turnin’ Me Off, Chicago 1945, and Michael McKellar. He didn’t make those up, so why would he make up Saturday Woman?
 
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An excerpt from Frank Cascio’s book for those interested:
One of the unreleased songs that I loved the most was “Saturday Woman,” about a girl who wants attention and goes out to party instead of spending time on her relationship. The first verse went, “I don’t want to say that I don’t love you. I don’t want to say that I disagree…” —then Michael mumbled the rest of the lines because he wasn’t sure of them yet. The chorus went, “She’s a Saturday woman. I don’t want to live my life all alone. She’s a Saturday woman.” I liked “Turning Me Off,” an up-tempo song that hadn’t made it onto the Dangerous album; a song called “Chicago 1,945” about a girl who went missing; a pretty song called “Michael McKellar"; and a song that eventually came out on Blood on the Dance Floor called "Superfly Sister.” I listened to that song over and over for years before it was released.
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Gluepix said:
It’s true that he doesn’t come from a particularly trustworthy family to say the very least, but in his book, he did mention a handful of other song titles that we now know for a fact are legitimate: Turnin’ Me Off, Chicago 1945, and Michael McKellar. He didn’t make those up, so why would he make up Saturday Woman?
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I didn’t say he made up Saturday Woman, that song is confirmed to exist. I’m saying nobody should ever listen to a single word he has to say about anything ever. HE SAID MJ WAS TOUCHING ON HIM AS A KID BRU 💔 and this is the guy who’s lied about unreleased music several times in order to sell. This guy could tell me the sky is blue and I’d still be checking. Scum of the earth .
 
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