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🤮🫢 You do not have to attack other religions or cultures that do not agree with your opinions just to prove you don't BELIEVE in them but what others do in their personal lives on a daily basis are free to believe whatever they want!
You’re absolutely free to not believe in God. Belief is a personal choice not a public forum debate where Michael absolutely loved GOD!.
By you attacking OTHERS faith to ‘prove’ something to yourself, isn’t evidence of your truth it’s just another opinion wrapped in descrimination
against GOD LOVING people that come here for Michael and not your personal religious propaganda!
You don’t have to believe what others believe. But respect goes both ways and is a requirement if you expect any respect at all!
🤮I have reported this Thread for blaitant negative posts against other peoples religions because you hate God on a personal level!

Faith and logic aren’t enemies; arrogance and ignorance are.

@SmoothGangsta @AlwaysThere
Please review these offensive posts and remove them all please!
Thank you guys!
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MJ TinkerBell said:
🤮🫢 You do not have to attack other religions or cultures that do not agree with your opinions just to prove you don't BELIEVE in them but what others do in their personal lives on a daily basis are free to believe whatever they want!
You’re absolutely free to not believe in God. Belief is a personal choice not a public forum debate where Michael absolutely loved GOD!.
By you attacking OTHERS faith to ‘prove’ something to yourself, isn’t evidence of your truth it’s just another opinion wrapped in descrimination
against GOD LOVING people that come here for Michael and not your personal religious propaganda!
You don’t have to believe what others believe. But respect goes both ways and is a requirement if you expect any respect at all!
🤮I have reported this Thread for blaitant negative posts against other peoples religions because you hate God on a personal level!

Faith and logic aren’t enemies; arrogance and ignorance are.

@SmoothGangsta @AlwaysThere
Please review these offensive posts and remove them all please!
Thank you guys!
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Thanks for mentioning this, I did say that they should stop, it clearly crosses community guidelines. Never responded to my message though 🤷‍♀️
 
MJ is my life said:
Thanks for mentioning this, I did say that they should stop, it clearly crosses community guidelines. Never responded to my message though 🤷‍♀️
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(y) Yeah I saw your posts which was very respectful and kind in this thread! I can respect everyone's opinion and values and even religions,
because it is a matter of respecting that for each other!
This Thread has nothing to do with respect, togetherness, inclusiveness or even understanding others so we can be one big MJ Family!!
That is why it was reported!
(y)
 
Michaels Lover said:
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Good memes. Christian ethics are actually impossible to rationalize. When challenged, the theist always backs into a corner about being offended and "respect", making reductive semantic arguments rather than addressing the syllogisms presented through analytic philosophy. The fact is, you can easily disprove these religions and their so-called holy books with a basic understanding of metaphysics. Michael believing in a fictional character really has no bearing on reality given the fact he was raised into a cult that hides sex abuse scandals (Jehovah's Witnesses).
 
MJ TinkerBell said:
This Thread has nothing to do with respect, togetherness, inclusiveness or even understanding others so we can be one big MJ Family!!
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If you search deep into it, there are a few posts/cross-overs between the Atheist and the Christian thread (in both threads) where people tried to understand each other.
The constant flow of memes, though some are a bit better than the rest every now and then, feel somewhat redundant and make it feel a bit like a TikTok of atheism. I guess that's because they're easier to to reproduce than actual ideas and debates...
But I think that if there's a Christian thread, it's sane to have an atheist thread too.
 
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Maxym said:
If you search deep into it, there are a few posts/cross-overs between the Atheist and the Christian thread (in both threads) where people tried to understand each other.
The constant flow of memes, though some are a bit better than the rest every now and then, feel somewhat redundant and make it feel a bit like a TikTok of atheism. I guess that's because they're easier to to reproduce than actual ideas and debates...
But I think that if there's a Christian thread, it's sane to have an atheist thread too.
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@Maxym Thanks for your awesome reply much appreciated! (y)
I personally do not have a problem with anyone else's religion or non religious choices and lifestyles even Athiests to each their own
is how I was raised! I valued learning about others opinions and cultures without judgement because this is where the understanding comes in about others.
My issue is why the need to constently and nausiatingly attack GOD to prove you HATE him ok so that proves you hate all religions and your a good Athiest and actually chose to beleve in no religions at all?
Posting horrific and religious propaganda images that THEY feel will get their point or message accross by tearing down other people's religious choices says what about them respecting anyone else.

If any other thread had as many utterly offensive posted images as this one does how would that look to new MJ fans that come here to LOVE MICHAEL that are under the age of 12yrs old and find out how their choices are actually being mocked and berated on a loving Michael Jackson Site.
This 1000% not a religious battlefield of their personal thoughts against others personal choices.
I would not want my babies seeing any images I do not approve of online like these nor would any other parent or guardian.

Michael loved God his entire life, I wonder what he would have thought of a Thread like this.. is all I am sayin respect MUST be given to ALL not the few!
Just my opinion of course!
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MJ TinkerBell said:
My issue is why the need to constently and nausiatingly attack GOD to prove you HATE him ok so that proves you hate all religions and your a good Athiest and actually chose to beleve in no religions at all?
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If you're talking about the meme flow here, maybe it has that effect.

But, regarding the thread in a general way, for me there's no such thing as a good atheist in the sense of being a better one than others, and certainly not by hating God and believers.
The point of atheism for me would rather be to reject the idea that people assert truths without any proof (a process which could lead to a lot of problems that extend far beyond religion), and to some extent being aware that some religions could be a dangerous to all by creating discriminations or if they manage to become mandatory (not thinking of modern Christianity but other religions go that way).

Passed this, I'm sometimes interested in trying to understand why some assert truths without any proof or what their proofs would be, some are open to debate, some aren't.
 
I read the whole thread. The memes are pretty cringe because it's reposting the same boring shit over and over--often in low quality like it's still 2009 when the thread was started. However, I would like to point out that rarely are points actually addressed in the images. Instead, theists, ever offended, decide to engage in tone policing while making arguments about what topics ought to be discussed. An attack on "God" is really no different than an attack on Harry Potter. If one truly believes in an omnipotent being, they wouldn't actually care some human is "hating" on it (i.e., power dynamics alone should inform you omnipotence does not need imperfect defense by definition). That communicates to me that many theists do have doubt alongside an extreme assortment of cognitive dissonance.
 
The main problem is: in every religion there are extremists who want to convert other people to have the same mindset they have. This can lead to violence, even war, it caused and still causes bloodshed.

So the solution - like the solution for most problems - is:

Live and let live. If you are religious, spiritual, whatever and this gives you strength, good for you, but don't try to convert others. If you are an atheist, fine, but don't try to convert others.

Just respect or at least tolerate each other and this goes for both sides. It could be so easy 💁.

This said, I agree that many posts here are over the top. When you expect respect, you also have to be respectful yourself. Two way street.

Discussion religions is useless anyways.
 
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Discussion religions is useless anyways.
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It's not more or less useless than many topics, believer and non-believer can agree to disagree but yet debate when both parts are interested. Some people are open to it and some not.
It can be an issue when it derails as many Internet discussions can... In this thread haven't seen it really derail... we rarely talk about the flow of memes though...
 
Maxym said:
It's not more or less useless than many topics, believer and non-believer can agree to disagree but yet debate when both parts are interested. Some people are open to it and some not.
It can be an issue when it derails as many Internet discussions can... In this thread haven't seen it really derail... we rarely talk about the flow of memes though...
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I mean it's useless regarding the fact that it doesn't matter if anyone believes or not. If one is interested to discuss opinions, that's legit, of course.
 
Maxym said:
If you're talking about the meme flow here, maybe it has that effect.

But, regarding the thread in a general way, for me there's no such thing as a good atheist in the sense of being a better one than others, and certainly not by hating God and believers.
The point of atheism for me would rather be to reject the idea that people assert truths without any proof (a process which could lead to a lot of problems that extend far beyond religion), and to some extent being aware that some religions could be a dangerous to all by creating discriminations or if they manage to become mandatory (not thinking of modern Christianity but other religions go that way).

Passed this, I'm sometimes interested in trying to understand why some assert truths without any proof or what their proofs would be, some are open to debate, some aren't.
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@Maxym 🫶 👏 You are sooo awesome of a communicator, I absolutely love this conversation we are having here!
The way you just explained all this is amazing and helped me to understand exactly what you are saying respectfully and more importantly EDUCATIONALLY! 🙌 I love that I learned so much from you today lovely!!
Thank you sooo very much!🧚‍♀️
 
MissAshley said:
I read the whole thread. The memes are pretty cringe because it's reposting the same boring shit over and over--often in low quality like it's still 2009 when the thread was started. However, I would like to point out that rarely are points actually addressed in the images. Instead, theists, ever offended, decide to engage in tone policing while making arguments about what topics ought to be discussed. An attack on "God" is really no different than an attack on Harry Potter. If one truly believes in an omnipotent being, they wouldn't actually care some human is "hating" on it (i.e., power dynamics alone should inform you omnipotence does not need imperfect defense by definition). That communicates to me that many theists do have doubt alongside an extreme assortment of cognitive dissonance.
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@MissAshley 👏 Thank You this conversation we are having here to me is open, respectfully and informative conversation that helps us all understand each other above all else!
The way I am learning BY listening is really important to me!!
Thank you sooo very much!🧚‍♀️
 
MJ TinkerBell said:
🤮🫢 You do not have to attack other religions or cultures that do not agree with your opinions just to prove you don't BELIEVE in them but what others do in their personal lives on a daily basis are free to believe whatever they want!
You’re absolutely free to not believe in God. Belief is a personal choice not a public forum debate where Michael absolutely loved GOD!.
By you attacking OTHERS faith to ‘prove’ something to yourself, isn’t evidence of your truth it’s just another opinion wrapped in descrimination
against GOD LOVING people that come here for Michael and not your personal religious propaganda!
You don’t have to believe what others believe. But respect goes both ways and is a requirement if you expect any respect at all!
🤮I have reported this Thread for blaitant negative posts against other peoples religions because you hate God on a personal level!

Faith and logic aren’t enemies; arrogance and ignorance are.

@SmoothGangsta @AlwaysThere
Please review these offensive posts and remove them all please!
Thank you guys!
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The mods won't delete this thread because they're afraid of pissing the atheists off, even if members have broken rules here countless times
 
It is totally and horribly toxic and ghastly to look at as a Thread in here honestly. I have no problem wth Atheists or any other religion and there is no need to disrespect anyone else if you are sharing your faith or no faith no problem at all! Your choice your life I can respect that 100% at least keep it real!
But what this Thread has now been turned into is something, disrespectful, degrading, defamating with extremely judgmental comments directed at mocking other peoples faith is unacceptable in the world we all live in!

This type of inflamatory propaganda/rethoric should not be done anywhere or to anyone at anytime especially not here where we are welcoming and inviting Michael Jackson Fans around the world to see what THIS stuff?? Is this acceptance is this Thread promoting L.O.V.E for anyone at all?
I only hope they do not ever see this Thread or anything like it before they see the REAL DEEP LOVE for everyone that loves Michael Jackson IN here in all our awesome Threads too!

Thanks for listening I hope this Thread goes back to eduacting and sharing with others not terrifying them! They would never know the truth about how respectful and kind Atheists truly are because they have nothing to prove to anyone by posting images like these that no parent would ever allow their child to see in any sense of the imagination where Michael is all L.O.V.E!
Atheists are one thing and that is HONEST why would they lie and post images and insults as if it were a personal priviledge!!!
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archonten said:
The mods won't delete this thread because they're afraid of pissing the atheists off, even if members have broken rules here countless times
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What a silly thing to say! Even if it did piss anyone of (which I highly doubt it would), what can they do about it? That's right! absolutely NOTHING! Remember, the mods are the ones with the powers around here, and can do whatever they want, not the other way around. So get out of here with that nonsense and stop making atheists into something we are not
 
I think this thread should absolutely remain open if you have one or more religious threads open too.
I also wish it got more constructive, but not everyone is a refined philosopher with a lot of things to write.

Wouldn't a solution be to just ignore some users?
 
Michaels Lover said:
What a silly thing to say! Even if it did piss anyone of (which I highly doubt it would), what can they do about it? That's right! absolutely NOTHING! Remember, the mods are the ones with the powers around here, and can do whatever they want, not the other way around. So get out of here with that nonsense and stop making atheists into something we are not
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I didn’t make you guys into something you aren’t. Not sure where you got that from, but keep going on ranting
 
Everyone should be free to believe or not believe what helps them in life, as long as it does not bother or endanger other people.
 
“I do not pretend to be able to prove that there is no God. I equally cannot prove Satan is a fiction. The Christian God may exist, so might the Gods of Olympus, Ancient Egypt or Babylon; but no one of these hypotheses is more probable than any other. They lie outside the region of provable knowledge and there is no reason to consider any of them." Bertrand Russell
 
This Thread makes no sense to me to be honest. I've always wondered why it exists lol and I'm not even religious myself.
 
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