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"Michael", a biopic about Michael Jackson, is officially happening.

Prometheus77 said:
A biopic about a musician with zero of his music makes zero sense.
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I did say that's where people are going wrong.

A biopic does not need music.

It just doesn't.

Maybe there's people who don't like rap music, but they watch Straight Outta Compton because they want to understand the culture and the artists involved? They want to understand the people and their lifestyle, without being subjected to obnoxious rapping every 5 minutes.

Same thing with this movie.

Again: a biopic is not musical entertainment.

They're different.

I think that's just a fundamental misunderstanding lots of people on this board have.

Prometheus77 said:
Those are the unofficial ones.
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Yes. And the best biopics are always unofficial, because they're free to tell the story honestly without always trying to portray the subject in a positive light.

Again, the point of a biopic isn't to turn Michael into a hero.

Prometheus77 said:
The estate can not make a movie that touches this accusation and settlement,
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That's why it needs to say "the estate didn't make this".

Prometheus77 said:
It is their movie. And they are forbidden to do that per the settlement.
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So this is an actual example of where artistic freedom has been limited, and integrity has been taken away - ie the estate's involvement literally makes the film worse.

Zack44 said:
Personally I dont care how much the movie makes in its first weekend. Doesn't matter if it makes $100 or $100 million, as long as it's a GOOD MOVIE
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Exactly.

The quality of the movie is the only thing that counts. Not the critic score. Not the popularity. Not the size of Branca's bank account.

People are worshipping the wrong thing.

Zack44 said:
This movie has to be a good film that pleases critics/audeinces and not just die-hard fans like us. It needs to tell the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it may be for some of y'all.
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Hear hear.

Zack44 said:
Tons of critics automatically dismissed the Broadway show just on the grounds that it barely addressed the allegations. It was like the actual show itself didnt matter, it was just labelled MJ propaganda from the start. These films CAN'T repeat that.
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Yep. It's hard to take the stage show seriously. The movie is absolutely impossible to take seriously because it glosses over some of the most interesting and unusual aspects of the subject matter.

Blues_Away2023 said:
To answer your question, yes I will be disappointed if it makes less.
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So here's the thing.

I went to see Hail Mary on Sunday.

I liked it.

So now the question: am I a bad person if I go to watch it again? Will you hate me if I tell my friends to watch it? Will I be banned from this board because I contributed money to the Hail Mary box office profits and potentially prevented "Michael" from taking its rightful place as the biggest grossing movie of the year? Am I insulting MJ's legacy? Maybe I need to stop going to the cinema altogether, just in case another movie gets too popular?

Consider your answer carefully.
 
Zack44 said:
Personally I dont care how much the movie makes in its first weekend. Doesn't matter if it makes $100 or $100 million, as long as it's a GOOD MOVIE (and not just 100% fluff)

My main concern is that Paris' prediction about the movie being nothing but fan-pandering propaganda is true. This movie (and especially the sequel, if there is one), above all else, has to be a good film that pleases critics/audeinces and not just die-hard fans like us. It needs to tell the truth, no matter how uncomfortable it may be for some of y'all.

Tons of critics automatically dismissed the Broadway show just on the grounds that it barely addressed the allegations. It was like the actual show itself didnt matter, it was just labelled MJ propaganda from the start. These films CAN'T repeat that.
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I think we pretty much established this is gonna be American Dream with a bigger budget. So no need to stress about that.
 
R1chard said:
Yes. And the best biopics are always unofficial, because they're free to tell the story honestly without always trying to portray the subject in a positive light.

Again, the point of a biopic isn't to turn Michael into a hero.
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Have you seen Michael's unofficial ones??? They are trash. Now it's time for an official one.


R1chard said:
That's why it needs to say "the estate didn't make this".
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But the estate did make it.


R1chard said:
So this is an actual example of where artistic freedom has been limited, and integrity has been taken away - ie the estate's involvement literally makes the film worse.
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Apparently they stop in 1988. So no integrity has been taken away. Maybe you just wait until you've seen the movie, before shitting on it.
 
I've watched 3 interviews with the cast and director. They all say this movie takes place from Michael's childhood to early parts of his solo career. This movie shows you how lonely Michael was.
 
Anyone who fails to "fundamentally misunderstand" the importance of the box office and the reason why it's been a constant topic of discussion in here isn't very bright.

Also, given that Brian (and possibly Roger) from Queen got to see the film recently... what are the chances that Malek could appear very briefly as Freddie? Unlikely, but not beyond the realms of possibility. That's not something they'd put in the trailers, like.
 
someplace_else said:
The problem is still, that if you win tickets you have to be very flexible to go there. They could have started the ticket lottery some weeks earlier.

From my POV: I was thinking about going to the premiere because I could travel to Berlin pretty easily but I didn't find any final info if you could only win tickets or if there would also be some tickets you could buy. I think that's what @squirrelinthetree means. There was no clear info like "we will not sell any tickets, it's only possible to attend the event if you win them".
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Thank you, yes I meant that. plus, I had neither seen any lottery nor announcement of ticket sales for ppl from Germany until the time of that first posting.
mjfp said:
So far every single person I am in contact with and wanted to go to the premiere, is going to the premiere
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Great to hear that many people got lucky!
Clearly there are also people who didn't (at least as of now, e.g. me).
mjfp said:
and there have been many opportunities to apply for it.
The lottery option at mid to the end of March was in my opinion the optimal solution.
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My impression was that there were few, maybe different amounts of options per country and at different times. Besides the one international option, I found two lotteries for people from Germany and those were on the 27th and 29th, one week after I saw options restricted to other countries.
I don't want to complain, but point out how the situation differs by location-based availability.
Prometheus77 said:
I don't know what you mean. Choice of words is perfectly alright. You are overtly sensitive.
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Even when there is no derogatory language and it is common for chats to be very tough, I still wish to point out that I do not enjoy if me or my statements are being dismissed as "ridiculous" or "overly sensitive".
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
I do feel that some fans have overestimated this film’s potential success at the box office.

I keep seeing comments like easy billion and it will be the highest grossing biopic ever. Michael Jackson is much more famous than Queen etc.

Are people not aware that Bohemian Rhapsody was a phenomenon, a lighting bolt pre-Covid and it was never expected to reach so many people and make as much as it did? Biopics don’t usually do all that great.

Bohemian Rhapsody seems to be the benchmark cause of who produced it and how much it made.

I said it before but this film is not making a billion. It’s not got enough hype I’m afraid outside the fandom and also due to Michael’s controversies.
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It will make billion cuz theres interest in it
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Take with a pinch of salt

"a real crowdpleaser that’s good… but not quite great."
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Shocker

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R1chard said:
I did say that's where people are going wrong.

A biopic does not need music.

It just doesn't.

Maybe there's people who don't like rap music, but they watch Straight Outta Compton because they want to understand the culture and the artists involved? They want to understand the people and their lifestyle, without being subjected to obnoxious rapping every 5 minutes.

Same thing with this movie.

Again: a biopic is not musical entertainment.

They're different.

I think that's just a fundamental misunderstanding lots of people on this board have.


Yes. And the best biopics are always unofficial, because they're free to tell the story honestly without always trying to portray the subject in a positive light.

Again, the point of a biopic isn't to turn Michael into a hero.


That's why it needs to say "the estate didn't make this".


So this is an actual example of where artistic freedom has been limited, and integrity has been taken away - ie the estate's involvement literally makes the film worse.


Exactly.

The quality of the movie is the only thing that counts. Not the critic score. Not the popularity. Not the size of Branca's bank account.

People are worshipping the wrong thing.


Hear hear.


Yep. It's hard to take the stage show seriously. The movie is absolutely impossible to take seriously because it glosses over some of the most interesting and unusual aspects of the subject matter.


So here's the thing.

I went to see Hail Mary on Sunday.

I liked it.

So now the question: am I a bad person if I go to watch it again? Will you hate me if I tell my friends to watch it? Will I be banned from this board because I contributed money to the Hail Mary box office profits and potentially prevented "Michael" from taking its rightful place as the biggest grossing movie of the year? Am I insulting MJ's legacy? Maybe I need to stop going to the cinema altogether, just in case another movie gets too popular?

Consider your answer carefully.
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Why are you being so pesimistic about the movie? Let the others be excited on seeing the movie when it releases.
Prometheus77 said:
Have you seen Michael's unofficial ones??? They are trash. Now it's time for an official one.



But the estate did make it.



Apparently they stop in 1988. So no integrity has been taken away. Maybe you just wait until you've seen the movie, before shitting on it.
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Totally agree with you on this
 
Is good but not great a negative review? Maybe my expectations are lower but I have not been expecting a masterpiece since the first teaser came out. I'm looking forward to hearing MJ's music on big speakers and hopefully the film can get him as a person across in some ways that matter. It's great to hear talk of Jaafar being good in the role.
 
SmoothCriminal1984 said:
Well michael's life is finally being told abd ypu never know we might get a part 2
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Lilloue03 said:
No. We can post negative reviews if it is constructive. This guy is just saying something based on hersay.
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I don't understand either of these comments. We can't have "I hear Jafaar KILLS it" posts but not allow "I hear it's only OK" posts.

Who genuinely wants an echo chamber? It wasn't even a bad review/comment!
 
innuendo141 said:
I don't understand either of these comments. We can't have "I hear Jafaar KILLS it" posts but not allow "I hear it's only OK" posts.

Who genuinely wants an echo chamber? It wasn't even a bad review/comment!
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We don't want an echo chamber either. In my opinion, I will wait to see the reviews of professional critics. It may not be a bad comment but it's the way he's saying it that doesn't pass for some people. Did he see it or not? We cannot be sure about it.
 
innuendo141 said:
I don't understand either of these comments. We can't have "I hear Jafaar KILLS it" posts but not allow "I hear it's only OK" posts.

Who genuinely wants an echo chamber? It wasn't even a bad review/comment!
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I don't think anybody here wants to see every single random "X" opinion posted here.
 
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