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31. The Jacksons — "Victory Tour"
It's understandable that The Jackson 5 and The Jacksons are treated as footnotes in Michael Jackson's career. But let's not forget that MJ became a star as the focal point of these family-based groups long before he was dubbed the King of Pop. Jackson had hits, set touring records, and even played before royalty with his siblings. On the "Victory Tour," his last stint as a Jackson, he actually performed his solo albums Off the Wall and Thriller with the group and stunned the world with his moonwalk, single glove, and sequined jacket – trademarks he'd take with him into his solo career. While it's true he wasn't quite yet the King of Pop, catching him on the "Victory Tour" could definitely be considered seeing him a mere "shamone" or two away from his throne. — M. Melis
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At 96 years old, Julia Jackson sits in a quiet living room, photographs stacked in albums around her, each face a memory, each frame a story. Among them lies one set of images and recollections she cherishes more than most: the times the Jackson family visited her home, turning celebrity into something soft, gracious, human.
Julia says she is a relative of the Jacksons, not a name you’ll find in the spotlight, but someone who held a place in the private weave of their family life. When her granddaughter Jece was rummaging through old albums at her grandmother’s house, she came across photos she didn’t expect. She posted them on TikTok, and suddenly this quiet life became a window into a rarely seen side of the Jackson legacy.
The most vivid memory Julia shares is of a Sunday lunch after a Jacksons performance on their Victory Tour.
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At 96 years old, Julia Jackson sits in a quiet living room, photographs stacked in albums around her, each face a memory, each frame a story.
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thanks @Fuzball
Titos Bad Company is a rock song!
and Michaels Buffalo Bill was for Victory!

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So, what were the 17 songs from the Jacksons listening party?

01 Torture
02 Wait
03 One More Chance
04 Be Not Always
05 State Of Shock
06 We Can Change The World
06 The Hurt
08 Body
09 Buffalo Bill
10 Power
11 Nona
12 Bad Company
13 Still In Love With You
14 Where Do I Stand

Jermaine's album tracks were intended for Victory, too? Edit: they were indeed. @BlackAnon: the arcticle you've posted on here a while ago, do you know when and in what magazine it was published?

15 Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'
16 Escape From The Planet Of The Ant Men

17 ???
 
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Fuzball said:
So, what were the 17 songs from the Jacksons listening party?

01 Torture
02 Wait
03 One More Chance
04 Be Not Always
05 State Of Shock
06 We Can Change The World
06 The Hurt
08 Body
09 Buffalo Bill
10 Power
11 Nona
12 Bad Company
13 Still In Love With You
14 Where Do I Stand

Jermaine's album tracks were intended for Victory, too? Edit: they were indeed. @BlackAnon: the arcticle you've posted on here a while ago, do you know when and in what magazine it was published?

15 Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'
16 Escape From The Planet Of The Ant Men

17 ???
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I'd have to look through my notes for the date and magazine.

You're missing I'm In Love With You [written by Marlon and not to be confused with Still In Love With You written by Randy]

Besides Buffalo Bill, the rest of the brothers songs are all complete aside from being mixed and mastered for release.
 
Fuzball said:
So, what were the 17 songs from the Jacksons listening party?

01 Torture
02 Wait
03 One More Chance
04 Be Not Always
05 State Of Shock
06 We Can Change The World
06 The Hurt
08 Body
09 Buffalo Bill
10 Power
11 Nona
12 Bad Company
13 Still In Love With You
14 Where Do I Stand

Jermaine's album tracks were intended for Victory, too? Edit: they were indeed. @BlackAnon: the arcticle you've posted on here a while ago, do you know when and in what magazine it was published?

15 Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin'
16 Escape From The Planet Of The Ant Men

17 ???
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Sorry to ask but have you a link or a source about these two Jermaine songs were for the Victory ? That not the first time I have heard that; for the album I have always found curious how prolific the brothers were during the production of this album, they have written for Betty Wright, Janet, Rebbie (and togethers), Latoya, Johnny Mathis, Greg Philliganes etc...I wonder if one of these songs were supposed to be in Victory, specially the ones for Rebbie who are written by all the brothers without Michael:


this one have been cut from the Centipede album (added in later edition):



These two songs are awesomes; imho arguably better than lot of songs in Victory, another collaboration between two brothers, Marlon and Tito for Betty Wright:

 
Markus-MJ said:
There has never been an anniversary edition of Jackson's album
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Because most of their albums were never really popular, at least in the USA. The Jacksons were considered a R&B group and R&B in general does not get the same importance (with the labels or the mainstream audience) as classic rock acts like Pink Floyd, Eagles, or Beatles. Very few R&B acts got to "crossover" to mainstream Top 40 radio. The Jacksons didn't even have a Greatest Hits/Best Of album until the early 2000s, unless you count the 1981 live album.
 
DuranDuran said:
Because most of their albums were never really popular, at least in the USA. The Jacksons were considered a R&B group and R&B in general does not get the same importance (with the labels or the mainstream audience) as classic rock acts like Pink Floyd, Eagles, or Beatles. Very few R&B acts got to "crossover" to mainstream Top 40 radio. The Jacksons didn't even have a Greatest Hits/Best Of album until the early 2000s, unless you count the 1981 live album.
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Yes and no (that depend what we call "popular"), the Jacksons were huge seller more than these others groups (except the Beatles) if we trust this old documentary, 93 millions sold between 69 and 79:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1471966454190952453

I don't think The Eagles were big sellers during these times, it was very recently with the controverse about the illogical way the RIAA have counted their albums.
 
blair said:
Yes and no (that depend what we call "popular"), the Jacksons were huge seller more than these others groups (except the Beatles) if we trust this old documentary, 93 millions sold between 69 and 79:
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I'm not counting Jackson 5, only The Jacksons on Epic & P.I. (the 2 Gamble & Huff albums). Also, that's talking about all sales, singles & albums. The biggest selling Jacksons album is Victory. Even with the Jackson 5, it's mainly the 1st 4 or 5 albums that were more successful, not ones like Skywriter & Joyful Jukebox Music. I don't know how they came up with the sales of J5 stuff anyway, since Motown did not report sales to the RIAA before the early 1980s, and that was for the then current release records, not the older ones, If you look at the biggest selling acts in history (physical, not streaming/downloads), the majority of the top 50 are white male classic rock acts, and the Jacksons/J5 are not there. Michael Jackson is for his solo career. But rock acts tended to sell more albums than singles like Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, & Rush. Acts like The Supremes were more popular with singles than albums. A few were successful with both like Madonna & Whitney Houston.
 
DuranDuran said:
I'm not counting Jackson 5, only The Jacksons on Epic & P.I. (the 2 Gamble & Huff albums). Also, that's talking about all sales, singles & albums. The biggest selling Jacksons album is Victory. Even with the Jackson 5, it's mainly the 1st 4 or 5 albums that were more successful, not ones like Skywriter & Joyful Jukebox Music. I don't know how they came up with the sales of J5 stuff anyway, since Motown did not report sales to the RIAA before the early 1980s, and that was for the then current release records, not the older ones, If you look at the biggest selling acts in history (physical, not streaming/downloads), the majority of the top 50 are white male classic rock acts, and the Jacksons/J5 are not there. Michael Jackson is for his solo career. But rock acts tended to sell more albums than singles like Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, & Rush. Acts like The Supremes were more popular with singles than albums. A few were successful with both like Madonna & Whitney Houston.
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Yes I agree they are a huge difference between rnb and the others but I think the documentary have their own sources, the RIAA is limited because that count just the shipment not the real sales and they are dependant to what they have been given to them, also that don't count worlwide success, for example Victory have sold 2 millions in USA (probably in 1984) but 7 millions in the world according an article in 1991. Triumph and Victory has reached 10 and 4 in the top billboard 200 for their respective year (for a limited time):

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The numbers this doc have given could also mean that The Jackson 5/The Jacksons were already very good regular sellers but not the biggest ones with each of their albums, and that explain how they are 2nd most important group after The Beatles in term of sales.

For example the group Rush that you have given, they are considered like the 3rd biggest selling records after The Beatles and the Rolling Stones (in USA I think) but most of their albums have been sold around 500,000 and 1 millions, less than 90% of The Jacksons albums, but they were prolifics and sold regularly .
 
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