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Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

elusive moonwalker said:
the phonecalls are what will convict murray more than anything else imo
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I think the most important thing in Murray's conviction is the fact he was using Propofol to make Michael sleep (it doesn't matter if Michael asked for it). Propofol is a powerful anesthetic drug, not supposed to be used at home, without the proper equipment and it's not supposed to be used by someone that's not anesthesiologist. Even if Murray was not on the phone, he would probably not notice Michael was not breathing because he didn't have the equipment in the room to show. He would only notice something was wrong if he touched him, feeling his pulse and his breathing something he would have to do every minute to check if it was everything ok. And I really doubt he would be willing to spend every night without sleep to check MJ during the night.
 
Prosecutors say Jackson's doctor changed story

(AP) – 1 hour ago

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The doctor charged in the death of Michael Jackson tried to change his story about his actions involving the pop star, telling his own experts in the upcoming trial a different story than he told police, prosecutors said Monday.

Deputy District Attorneys David Walgren and Deborah Brazil filed a motion asking a judge to bar new claims made by defendant Dr. Conrad Murray.

They said he apparently made the new assertions in conversation with two doctors who will testify on his behalf in the case.

The accounts were revealed in letters from the experts, Dr. Paul White, an anesthesiologist, and Dr. Joseph Haraszti, a psychiatrist and hospital director.

Prosecutors believe Murray spoke to the experts after a preliminary hearing in January that focused on his statements to police after Jackson's death in June 2009.

The motion quoted Murray as telling the experts he left Jackson's bedroom to make a phone call, even though he initially said he left Jackson to go to the bathroom.

Experts also said Murray claimed to have experience using propofol — the powerful anesthetic that killed Jackson — as a sedative, even though Murray didn't make such a claim in police interviews.

The motion also says Murray claims for the first time that Jackson took propofol in fruit juice while the doctor wasn't looking. The prosecutors said that was speculation.

J. Michael Flanagan, an attorney for Murray, wqs not immediately available for comment on the motion.

Murray has pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter. A coroner found that Jackson died of an overdose of propofol and other sedatives.

Prosecutors called the new statements about Murray's actions "a backdoor attempt to introduce the defendant's new, self-serving statements without being subject to cross-examination."

"Such information conflicts with what the defendant told the police in his prior interviews," the motion states.

The only way the statements would be admissible, prosecutors said, is if Murray testifies in his own defense and is subject to cross-examination. They said the reports from both doctors contain numerous examples of new statements in conflict with Murray's previous accounts.

A hearing on motions is scheduled for Thursday. Jury selection resumes on May 4.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...Gm4ysQ?docId=6c18e2099797482dbf6309f1e07811b5
 
Re: Prosecution Evidentiary Requests from the Judge / Request to limit hearsay statements

More lies more lies
 
Re: Prosecution Evidentiary Requests from the Judge / Request to limit hearsay statements

elusive moonwalker said:
The NOI did it didnt u know lol shame in some fans desire for this to be more than just about murray that they are actually supporting some of his claims
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You're basically saying that some here are supporting Conrad Murray. I hope you weren't referring to me.

And about some fans' nothing but mere "desire" for this to be a conspiracy, meaning more than just murray, who are you referring to? I hope you weren't referring to me for that.
 
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Incredible.

Let's see. 'Experience using propofol...' Well, after allegedly 6 weeks giving it to Michael, that would be 'experience'.
Going to bathroom vs leaving to make phone call. decisions, decisions, which will he pick..tick tock, the trial's getting closer..

Michael took the propofol in juice when murray wasn't looking. My, the good doctor must have telepathy to know what was happening when he wasn't looking. And then what did the good doctor do? Continue to leave it where his patient could get it? And this is supposed to be beLIEvable?:pth:
"a backdoor attempt to introduce the defendant's new, self-serving statements without being subject to cross-examination
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Is it possible for my opinion of murray to get any lower than it was...hmm. Yep. Guess so.

So they have abandoned the mystery person and are back with the 'Michael drank himself to death' version?

I wonder if the defense is keeping a score card of these 'versions of the truth' to see how they are playing in the fan community.
But maybe there is a kernel, a very small kernel, of truth in there by sheer accident. Murray is admitting he left the room to make a phone call. And we know how long his calls lasted. Maybe the next admission will be how long he was out of the room.
 
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hhmmm...it goes on...:no:
 
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About the NOI, it's not a surprise that the defense wants to bring up something related to that.

All those questions abuot NOI they asked during the preliminary couldn't be for nothing.
 
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The story he told his experts is totaly different then from what he told the cops. How in hell does expect them not to call him on that
 
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^ Who's knows? Maybe he thinks things are working in his favor? Or it could just be that some guilty people simply change their stories.....not all are genuises.

Murray will have to explain several lies and inconsistences to the judge.

By pushing for this NEWER story, he wouldn't have to explain as much.

But all this nonsence is really making me angry....
 
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He will still have to explain why he left a person alone under propofol. And no matter what he told his experts when the DA plays his interview for the jury they are going to want to know why the story is different
 
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kasume said:
About the NOI, it's not a surprise that the defense wants to bring up something related to that.

All those questions abuot NOI they asked during the preliminary couldn't be for nothing.
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yes but you must realize that it's to create reasonable doubt and make people think that shady NOI did it. That's why DA is asking for no mention of it.

Justthefacts said:
The story he told his experts is totaly different then from what he told the cops. How in hell does expect them not to call him on that
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kasume said:
^ Who's knows? Maybe he thinks things are working in his favor?

Murray will have to explain several lies and inconsistences to the judge.

By pushing for this NEWER story, he wouldn't have to explain as much.

But all this nonsence is really making me angry....
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Actually he won't have to explain anything and he won't be called on unless he takes the stand and most probably he won't. and that's why DA is making this request to stop experts testifying for him telling stuff he told them.
 
Justthefacts said:
He will still have to explain why he left a person alone under propofol. And no matter what he told his experts when the DA plays his interview for the jury they are going to want to know why the story is different
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not only is he admitting to have left the room but admitting it was for a longer period of time than he first admitted. How can he fight the DA's claim that his standard of care was so poor when he is admitting to it and what expert witness is going to say yes that was proper standard of care?
 
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ivy said:
yes but you must realize that it's to create reasonable doubt and make people think that shady NOI did it. That's why DA is asking for no mention of it.





Actually he won't have to explain anything and he won't be called on unless he takes the stand and most probably he won't. and that's why DA is making this request to stop experts testifying for him telling stuff he told them.
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I understand that but lets just say the judge allows it in. And the DA plays his interview with them. How can his lawyers explain the change in story?
 
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It reminds me of Michael's case
 
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ivy said:
yes but you must realize that it's to create reasonable doubt and make people think that shady NOI did it. That's why DA is asking for no mention of it.
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I don't know....I'm still wondering who helped move him.
 
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The NOI were not in that room given Michael Propofol that is utterly stupid
 
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I'm not saying that....I'm just wondering who HELPED move him.

I DO think that the three main bodyguards who all testified seem to have nothing to do with anything.
 
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I am not talking about that
 
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I think I wait for Murray to tell. The truth...."................... It might be a long wait.
But I will wait Maybe never.
 
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ivy said:
he won't have to explain anything and he won't be called on unless he takes the stand and most probably he won't. and that's why DA is making this request to stop experts testifying for him telling stuff he told them.
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" Prosecutors filed a motion Monday that could prevent two expert defense witnesses from testifying in the upcoming trial of the doctor accused of fatally drugging pop star Michael Jackson.

Prosecutors contend that Dr. Paul White, an anesthesiologist and expert on the drug propofol, and Dr. Joseph Haraszti, a Pasadena-based psychiatrist, should not be able to testify in the trial unless and until Murray takes the stand."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/18/california.conrad.murray.trial/
 
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There is no way those experts should be able to testify especially if Murray told them a completely different story than what he told police. I want to see how the judge rules on this. I guess Murray realizes his interview to police is going to screw him.. How the hell do you go from I left MJ's room for 2 minutes max to relieve myself, to I left MJ's room to make a phone call?

This man is such a liar
 
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kasume said:
" Prosecutors filed a motion Monday that could prevent two expert defense witnesses from testifying in the upcoming trial of the doctor accused of fatally drugging pop star Michael Jackson.

Prosecutors contend that Dr. Paul White, an anesthesiologist and expert on the drug propofol, and Dr. Joseph Haraszti, a Pasadena-based psychiatrist, should not be able to testify in the trial unless and until Murray takes the stand."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/18/california.conrad.murray.trial/
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is it to exclude it all? I read the document and the conclusion part seemed to be asking to exclude some stuff but not all testimony.

"Murray cannot introduce out of court hearsay evidence through his experts"
" until he offers testimony any reference to his new statements to defense experts must be prohibited".

To me it sounds like they can't say Murray told me this and cannot base their determinations in what Murray told them. They could make independent determinations. That's how I understood it. However the introduction seems like they are asking to exclude it all unless Murray testifies first. It got a little bit confusing now.
 
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Murray never stops..keeps on shoveling crap.and thinks everyone will believe hm.
 
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that man got some nerve only bad thing is he will be in jail for only 4 yrs.smh.ivy so they just requested it ,no further info right?
 
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larry141094 said:
Your siggy is wrong, It's Lady Justice not Angel of Truth, and trust me, truth and justice, two completely separate things
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Are you referring to my sig?
 
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ivy;3348051 [B said:
defense didn't do the tests on the syringes[/B] they wanted because they didn't sign a document acknowledging risks involved in testing. They want to avoid the defense not to mislead the jurors and it's made clear that they had the chance to retest them but didn't do it.
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So in the end they decided not to test the syringes for quantities so as to try to go on with their drinking theory just based on speculation, with no ground at all.

If they had done those tests they demanded for months and months and months, they would not have got what they implied during the preliminary hearings, that the ratio of lidocaine over the propofol in the "broken" syringe was the same ratio as the lidocaine over the propofol in the stomach content... How sly of them!!! "let's keep on speculating without any physical evidence!"

Surely they thought it over and concluded that Dr. Rogers' testimony was more medically relevant than theirs. (Dr. Rogers provided three medical probable reasons for the presence of the tiny amount of propofol in the stomach (1mg) (with lowest concentration than in blood) as well as for the presence of lidocaine- paramedics medication...)

Hope the judge grants DA motions, particularly this one (point 2).
http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/acdrzb55ou3we13jz04gynr4/1448394711.pdf
 
Re: Doctor's love life cited in Michael Jackson case

StacyJ said:
I think so too.. Hopefully the jury will be like why was he chatting on the phone with strippers while MJ was lying there in a coma? what kind of care was he providing? and why would a doctor give his patient anesthesia at home and not watch him? and the last question should be if he was talking and texting everyone else including his girlfriend strippers why the hell couldn't he dial 911
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Precisely StacyJ. He couldn't dial 911 because he was out of the room and had no clue. Strippers will be the end of Murray. His defense must be desperate, they don't have a case. They just throw any story on the wall every other day to see if it sticks.
 
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I knew it. I knew murray would end up admitting to being out of the room longer than one phone call. So now he was cleaning up in the bathroom, making phone calls... Well OBVIOUSLY he left Michael alone for more than 2 minutes. Probably the entire time he was on the phone. Bastard.
Surely the defense sees the inconsistencies in all of this. Is this how we are going to find out the truth...inch by painful inch as murray's lies tangle him up? Despicable Bastard.
What are they trying to do, confuse everyone? Cause a delay in the trial?
How sly of them!!! "let's keep on speculating without any physical evidence!"
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This.

I hope Pastor rules for the prosecution motion. How can he not?
 
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