WhoIsIt89
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I didn't know where to put this, so I figured this was the best place. Now maybe I'm losing my mind, or maybe I'm too protective, but peep. This is a discussion going on on another board . The discussion is supposed to be about whether people think Michael was innocent of any wrong-doing. Now the original poster meant for the question to be broader than that, but it's just broken down into solely the Allegations...Now example #1
Now my response to this was, how on earth was Michael dishonest with himself? Michael wasn't a abuser of children, therefore whatever he felt, he clearly thought it was the right thing to do and stood by that
So what did he lie about? Apparently I'm not supposed to ask these sort of questions or something because people responded by saying I have on rose colored glasses and was treating Michael like a God. Now to the Peter Pan thing, I said its who Michael was, growing up the way he did and having the life he had, he was an introverted child, he grew on the outside, but on the inside he was very much like a kid in certain aspects of his life. Now I said he did nothing wrong, he shouldn't have to change who he is because some idiots on the outside looking in, think he's weird or wrong for being the way he was. Mind you, this is an fan forum...Am I wrong or what?
Example #2
This came from a "fan". And this person was unaware that Jordan's description was a load of shit. But I ultimately see this and question how a person can be a fan and think this way. I don't think being a fan, goes hand in hand with not believing in Michael's innocence. Because at the end of the day, you're condoning a person who did heinous acts by promoting his music, imo anyway. I just couldn't grasp how a person who dedicate themselves to a fan forum of a person, who they believe abused children. Apparently I was wrong for questioning this as well because I was then told I felt too strongly about this and that I should accept a "fans" differing opinion. With all the bs that comes with being an MJ fan from the general public and hearing people talk ignorance about Michael whenever they see me wearing a t-shirt with his image or bumping a song of his on my smartphone, and going at it with these people and leaving them mindfudged after I bombard them with all the evidence that clears Michael's name. Apparently I'm wrong for not wanting to hear such things from a fellow "fan". Maybe I'm going crazy and maybr I shouldn't defend the individual who I care so much about, because on places outside of MJJC, thats frowned upon.
There was a lot more to this but I'll end this with Example #3, this was said in response to me stating that Michael let kids sleep in his bed, while he slept on the floor, but didn't sleep in the bed with them. Which I guess I was mistaken about...
Now of course me, in all my caped crusader mode, in a direct quote of that post, I added Macaulay Culkin's testimony, in which he states how it was never intentional and how he'd just pass out in Michael's bed, how he was always fully clothed, how Michaels door was never shut or locked and how his parents was always aware of his whereabouts. After doing so, I was basically asked why I did that, as the person couldn't understand why I posted that in response to that Bashit exerpt.
I then said, because whether its intentional or not, a post like that gives Michael's accusers the benefit of the doubt when you don't include the full story. I basically said some MJ noob comes across that Bashit exerpt, which didn't include Mac's testimony until I added it, and this person thinks "wow, Michael really was a creep" and goes spread the word. Apparently I'm supposed to use my internet powers to keep that from occurring, in the words of Michael, "We've already had enough". We don't need anymore people going around saying false things about Michael without knowing all the facts. And apparently I'm in the wrong for doing what I can to keep that from happening. Now I'm beginning to second guess myself and shouldn't speak up and point out these inaccuracies and half truths. Now for the last time, I ask, Am I wrong for doing all this or what?
Anonymous said:If we're talking general blame to do with the trials, MJ screwed himself over with his dishonesty to possibly himself (he set himself up for the second allegations that went to trial with his behavior along with the actions of others, but he really didn't help himself) and the public (his Peter Pan image whether it be somewhat true or less needed a change).
Now my response to this was, how on earth was Michael dishonest with himself? Michael wasn't a abuser of children, therefore whatever he felt, he clearly thought it was the right thing to do and stood by that
So what did he lie about? Apparently I'm not supposed to ask these sort of questions or something because people responded by saying I have on rose colored glasses and was treating Michael like a God. Now to the Peter Pan thing, I said its who Michael was, growing up the way he did and having the life he had, he was an introverted child, he grew on the outside, but on the inside he was very much like a kid in certain aspects of his life. Now I said he did nothing wrong, he shouldn't have to change who he is because some idiots on the outside looking in, think he's weird or wrong for being the way he was. Mind you, this is an fan forum...Am I wrong or what?
Example #2
Anonymous said:I sure as heck have my doubts, but I am a fan of his music.Anyway, it pains me to say this, but I am starting to believe Michael was guilty of sexually abusing children. I believe he was innocent of the 2003 allegations, but 1993 is another story IMO. What gives it away IMO is the strip search and Jordie's description.
This came from a "fan". And this person was unaware that Jordan's description was a load of shit. But I ultimately see this and question how a person can be a fan and think this way. I don't think being a fan, goes hand in hand with not believing in Michael's innocence. Because at the end of the day, you're condoning a person who did heinous acts by promoting his music, imo anyway. I just couldn't grasp how a person who dedicate themselves to a fan forum of a person, who they believe abused children. Apparently I was wrong for questioning this as well because I was then told I felt too strongly about this and that I should accept a "fans" differing opinion. With all the bs that comes with being an MJ fan from the general public and hearing people talk ignorance about Michael whenever they see me wearing a t-shirt with his image or bumping a song of his on my smartphone, and going at it with these people and leaving them mindfudged after I bombard them with all the evidence that clears Michael's name. Apparently I'm wrong for not wanting to hear such things from a fellow "fan". Maybe I'm going crazy and maybr I shouldn't defend the individual who I care so much about, because on places outside of MJJC, thats frowned upon.
There was a lot more to this but I'll end this with Example #3, this was said in response to me stating that Michael let kids sleep in his bed, while he slept on the floor, but didn't sleep in the bed with them. Which I guess I was mistaken about...
Anonymous said:In regards to MJ saying he didn't sleep in bed with children, he did admit he did that. He only denies it in relation to the Arvizos.
On Jackson's habit of sharing his bedroom with children:
Bashir: "When you are talking about children we met Gavin - and it was agreat privilege to meet Gavin because he's had a lot of suffering in his life- when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?"Jackson: "Yes."Bashir: "Can you understand why people would worry about that?"
Jackson: "Because they are ignorant."
Bashir: "But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share abedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?"
Jackson: "That's a beautiful thing."
Bashir: "That's not a worrying thing?"
Jackson: "Why should that be worrying, what's the criminal...who's Jack theRipper in the room? There's some guy trying to heal a healing child ... I'min a sleeping bag on the floor."I gave him the bed because he has a brother named Star, so him and Star tookthe bed and I went along on the sleeping bag ?"
Bashir: "Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?"
Jackson: "No. But I have slept in a bed with many children."I slept in a bed with all of them when Macauley Culkin was little: KieranCulkin would sleep on this side, Macauley Culkin was on this side, hissisters in there...we all would just jam in the bed, you know."
Now of course me, in all my caped crusader mode, in a direct quote of that post, I added Macaulay Culkin's testimony, in which he states how it was never intentional and how he'd just pass out in Michael's bed, how he was always fully clothed, how Michaels door was never shut or locked and how his parents was always aware of his whereabouts. After doing so, I was basically asked why I did that, as the person couldn't understand why I posted that in response to that Bashit exerpt.
I then said, because whether its intentional or not, a post like that gives Michael's accusers the benefit of the doubt when you don't include the full story. I basically said some MJ noob comes across that Bashit exerpt, which didn't include Mac's testimony until I added it, and this person thinks "wow, Michael really was a creep" and goes spread the word. Apparently I'm supposed to use my internet powers to keep that from occurring, in the words of Michael, "We've already had enough". We don't need anymore people going around saying false things about Michael without knowing all the facts. And apparently I'm in the wrong for doing what I can to keep that from happening. Now I'm beginning to second guess myself and shouldn't speak up and point out these inaccuracies and half truths. Now for the last time, I ask, Am I wrong for doing all this or what?
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