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Just before I ask the questions, I want to set straight my beliefs and these are :
*Michael Jackson, unfortunatly, is dead
* Conrad Murray murdered him

I also want to ask :
- was there several needle marks around Michael's neck and/or around his body?

If the answer to that question is positive then I don't think it's a crazy idea to consider the thought that Murray might have murdered Michael in a different method (I would say by strangling him) and then stabbed his body with needles to cover up with the whole accidental/sucidial overdose theory.

But here's another thing that I don't understand about this. Following this case and looking at the consequences that it has for Murray, I can't help but wonder what his motive was? Keep in mind that I believe Murray murdered Michael.
I don't understand how he has benefitted from it. I know many have said it's all for money and I thought so too but is he finanically benfitting from this? I'm not sure.

These issues are just really confusing me. I wouldn't be suprised if there was more to how Michael died but I just cannot seem to figure out a motive...
 
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Calotte12 said:
I cant believe that people judge so quickly. Innocent until proven guilty.. remember the year 2005?
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*I can actually write an essay as a reply for this, including contrasts and arguments between Michael's trial and now but forget it. Not worth the loss of my membership.*
 
No matter what you see or heard or what you think of him, this man is innocent until proven guilty, like it or not.
 
I think many people believe he was paid by others to kill MJ for a considerable sum. That he would be taken care of financially for substantially more than what he would have gotten had MJ finished his shows.
 
Calotte12 said:
No matter what you see or heard or what you think of him, this man is innocent until proven guilty, like it or not.
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It may be that way legally and in a court of law. But each person can have their personal views. It does not necessitate any proof further than what we have seen so far to convince me he is guilty.
 
It's not about offense. It is about common sense. Until I can see something that tells me otherwise, I don't need any more proof as to who actually killed MJ. And that is based off of people who were in the house. If another scenario fits, it will have to come out later and Murray will have to start explaining what took place. As for motives, that is another topic. but the cut and dry of who actually did it, I can say Murray.

If you do not agree, we can agree to disagree, but do not go around downing other people's opinions because they believe he is no longer living and you yourself believe in the hoax theory.
 
The physical official evidence that we know of shows that Murray is largely at fault.

911 call alone shows that Murray wasnt performing CPR correctly. FACT.
No hospital monitoring equipment for hospital grade drugs. FACT.
Murray has changed his story depending on what new information becomes public. FACT.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Official info clearly shows wrong doing on Murray's part. Official info in 2005 clearly showed wrong doing on Arvizo's + others part and showed NO WRONG DOING on Michaels part.

However the law does state innocent until proven guilty, which was the same rule for OJ Simpson but the official evidence clearly showed he killled his wife and friend (hence why he lost the civil suit!). Its catch 22 for us fans atm
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
The physical official evidence that we know of shows that Murray is largely at fault.

911 call alone shows that Murray wasnt performing CPR correctly. FACT.
No hospital monitoring equipment for hospital grade drugs. FACT.
Murray has changed his story depending on what new information becomes public. FACT.

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Official info clearly shows wrong doing on Murray's part. Official info in 2005 clearly showed wrong doing on Arvizo's + others part and showed NO WRONG DOING on Michaels part.

However the law does state innocent until proven guilty, which was the same rule for OJ Simpson but the official evidence clearly showed he killled his wife and friend (hence why he lost the civil suit!). Its catch 22 for us fans atm
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Thank you so much for that fact that I highlighted. I could have written an essay about that and you summed it up in one sentence. In 2005, the evidence were looking good for the defendant(Michael) whereas now, in 2010, it looks horrible for the defendant (Murray).

And thank you for the rest of the post. It seems to me that some fans are ignoring some alarming facts, including the autopsy results.

Sickening.

But I have to say that it does not look good for Murray at all and this is where I'm struggling with what his motive could be. If it's true that he got paid then it doesn't look like it worked out too well.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
911 call alone shows that Murray wasnt performing CPR correctly. FACT.
No hospital monitoring equipment for hospital grade drugs. FACT.
Murray has changed his story depending on what new information becomes public. FACT.
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Is this 911 call real ?

Did MJ really receive propofol every night ?

Did Murray really change his story ? It was written on paper, we never heard him speak.


Do you REALLY think MJ was receiving propofol everynight, something that would kill him ? Do you think MJ was so dumb to do that ? And by the way, he was afraid of needles.
Do you think MJ would risk his life ?
Do you think MJ didint care about his children ?
Do you think MJ had a drug IV machine near his bed and that his children would see that?

REMEMBER, that the family entered in the house BEFORE the LAPD.

I repeat, let see what will happen in the future.
 
Calotte12 said:
Is this 911 call real ?

Did MJ really receive propofol every night ?

Did Murray really change his story ? It was written on paper, we never heard him speak.


Do you REALLY think MJ was receiving propofol everynight, something that would kill him ? Do you think MJ was so dumb to do that ? And by the way, he was afraid of needles.
Do you think MJ would risk his life ?
Do you think MJ didint care about his children ?
Do you think MJ had a drug IV machine near his bed and that his children would see that?

REMEMBER, that the family entered in the house BEFORE the LAPD.

I repeat, let see what will happen in the future.
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I think about all these things since June 25.

Yep..... The only thing I know is that Michael was not at all naive, idiot and bla bla bla...... NEVER was!

And to think that Michael did not know of things, did not know the people who were around him and with whom and with what he was dealing, is totally stupid. Michael knew and always knew.

Let's see, many things will still happen.

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I dont know if we can trust what LaToya is saying (I like her, nothing against her) but the thing is that I just dont know who to believe anymore.

Well, she says that there are many things the public dont know about and that when it all comes out, we will not believe our ears!!

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She also says it is like a magic trick. We only see Murray but there are alot more (behind him) that we cant see.
 
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Michael never got the "innocent until proven guilty" treatment. He got "guilty until proven innocent" and was still guilty to people after the trial and now, after his death, fans (who do have good intentions) want to turn their face away from injustice and Michael's murder and let Murray get away with it.

I've lost faith in humanity and I give up. My voice isn't going to be heard next to the thousands of fans who want a fair treatment (as if Murray hasn't gotten one already).
 
I just need to address an issue that is happening in this thread. Please do not criticise other members, as a couple of members have been called judgmental in here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I appreciate that this is a hot topic. But this is a time, like 2005 which so many people keep bringing up, where we need to stick together. We all have different opinions here but our goal is the same at the end of the day. Seeking justice for Michael and getting the truth about what happened that morning. None of us should be arguing with each other, calling each other names, etc and that applies to every single person here.
 
DanceOfZenab1994 said:
Thank you so much for that fact that I highlighted. I could have written an essay about that and you summed it up in one sentence. In 2005, the evidence were looking good for the defendant(Michael) whereas now, in 2010, it looks horrible for the defendant (Murray).

And thank you for the rest of the post. It seems to me that some fans are ignoring some alarming facts, including the autopsy results.

Sickening.

But I have to say that it does not look good for Murray at all and this is where I'm struggling with what his motive could be. If it's true that he got paid then it doesn't look like it worked out too well.
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It worked out great for him! The worst that can happen, the worst, is that he spends 4 years in jail. 4 years and your set for life? That’s a pretty sweet deal. Might not be a fun 4 years but your worries are over after that. He will vanish and live the rest of his life in luxury. He may not even get the full time. I don't care what they say, he could still cop a deal for a lighter sentence. Once he's out he is gone! I'll be watching for that!
 
DanceOfZenab1994 said:
Just before I ask the questions, I want to set straight my beliefs and these are :
*Michael Jackson, unfortunatly, is dead
* Conrad Murray murdered him

I also want to ask :
- was there several needle marks around Michael's neck and/or around his body?

If the answer to that question is positive then I don't think it's a crazy idea to consider the thought that Murray might have murdered Michael in a different method (I would say by strangling him) and then stabbed his body with needles to cover up with the whole accidental/sucidial overdose theory.

But here's another thing that I don't understand about this. Following this case and looking at the consequences that it has for Murray, I can't help but wonder what his motive was? Keep in mind that I believe Murray murdered Michael.
I don't understand how he has benefitted from it. I know many have said it's all for money and I thought so too but is he finanically benfitting from this? I'm not sure.

These issues are just really confusing me. I wouldn't be suprised if there was more to how Michael died but I just cannot seem to figure out a motive...
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Murray was a man in deep debt. Childcare support for 7 children,foreclosure of his medical practice,loans.
He didn't have a motive specifically linking him to Michael.
It is highly possible he was made an offer which would help him solve his financial troubles for life and he accepted.
As you understand, these kind of deals are always under the table.
 
Maria MJ said:
Murray was a man in deep debt. Childcare support for 7 children,foreclosure of his medical practice,loans.
He didn't have a motive specifically linking him to Michael.
It is highly possible he was made an offer which would help him solve his financial troubles for life and he accepted.
As you understand, these kind of deals are always under the table.
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Hmm,

very likely motive/reason.
 
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