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bluemoon7 said:
lmao there is no need to prove "it", whatever it may be. BELIEF is the nature of religion.
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Well, most religions also make the statement that a faith/belief without works/proof is dead.

Personally I believe in the reality of a spiritual realm because I have evidence of its existence. But since it’s grounded in personal experience, I can’t prove it to you. Moreover, given that what I would describe sounds impossible, it would also inevitably be dismissed as a delusion on my part.

My point is that while atheists claim to want proof, they are immune to proof due to their own skepticism about other people’s experiences, and even their own, for that matter. But for me, it would be highly irrational to not believe based on my experiences (and no, I won’t elaborate).

I think that the conflict between believers and atheists is akin to believing that a full spectrum of color exists because you can see it, but the person you’re trying to explain it to is colorblind. There is no way to give the colorblind an experience of a full color spectrum even though you yourself are experiencing it. To the colorblind, your belief in full color spectrum is mere faith.
 
SolAura said:
My point is that while atheists claim to want proof, they are immune to proof due to their own skepticism about other people’s experiences, and even their own, for that matter. But for me, it would be highly irrational to not believe based on my experiences (and no, I won’t elaborate).
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Atheists are not immune to proof (maybe some of them are, I don't know). But if what you call a proof can't be explained and observed by a decent number of other people, it's not a proof in the first place...
 
Maxym said:
Atheists are not immune to proof (maybe some of them are, I don't know). But if what you call a proof can't be explained and observed by a decent number of other people, it's not a proof in the first place...
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I think you fail to appreciate just how much people will rewrite reality to make it conform to what should have happened rather than what did happen, especially when something that defies the laws of physics happens. I think this has been shown fairly robustly in psychological testing. People will go back and say they were mistaken in what they saw or add in explanatory details that weren’t actually present. Because of these psychological quirks, proof becomes far more tricky when you’re talking about “supernatural” phenomenon. People will see the exact same thing and then disagree about whether it happened. Footage is said to be doctored (of course it often is, especially on paranormal shows) when it isn’t, or the phenomenon will be dismissed as not strange because “there must be a rational explanation I don’t understand.” I’ve encountered all of this repeatedly, and this is why I say atheists are often immune to proof.
 
unfioredarancio said:
That "To save us from himself" is so real.
Like, "I am God and I am so mad that I can kill all of you so to lower my anger I will send my son to be killed"
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Right, many tales around God(s) are actually Human-centric and don't make too much sense from the Gods' perspective.
 
Michaels Lover said:
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It’s crazy how you like to blame God for all of it. That is the evil of the world, and no where does it preach about racism, sexism, etc in the Bible. Also you don’t get sent to Hell because your bad, Hell is your choice. You either choose Jesus or choose to live your life separate from Him, which is Hell. He literally gives you a free will. And don’t act like “well that doesn’t give me much of a choice”, because it makes perfect sense how if you choose to live separate from Him, you lose all those gifts and things of God because you aren’t with Him anymore!! Hell is the absence of God. Why would you want to live separate from a God who literally gives you eternal life in paradise FOR FREE?
 
Michaels Lover said:
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Disasters are once again a result of this evil and cruel world. Genesis talks about it, I suggest you read that book of the Bible. He does care, and that is why He provides eternal life with Him in paradise for those who accept Him. Once again because you can’t blame anyone so you blame God which you don’t even believe in! It’s crazy you think Christians don’t make sense when I would argue it’s way more of a leap of faith to believe that all of creation came from nothing at all. What a depressing life you must live. I’m also a living testimony to prayer working, I can tell you that now. And the funny thing is you don’t respond to anything I’m saying. That sure says something. I encourage you to really use your brain here and think more about what life is.
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
It honestly just looks like you post these memes everyday to make yourself feel better.
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In a sense, I don't see these memes as anything "constructive". On the other hand, aren't the memes in the Christian thread also things that people post to feel better?

Sawyer Grubb said:
Also you don’t get sent to Hell because your bad, Hell is your choice. You either choose Jesus or choose to live your life separate from Him, which is Hell. He literally gives you a free will (...)
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If religion is not about being good but only about believing... It sounds more like a self-validating sect... I sometimes try to understand religions and good or bad things that come with them... And why people follow them... But presented this way it doesn't sound better than homeopathy with placebo effect... And it's disappointing.
 
Maxym said:
In a sense, I don't see these memes as anything "constructive". On the other hand, aren't the memes in the Christian thread also things that people post to feel better?



If religion is not about being good but only about believing... It sounds more like a self-validating sect... I sometimes try to understand religions and good or bad things that come with them... And why people follow them... But presented this way it doesn't sound better than homeopathy with placebo effect... And it's disappointing.
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Memes aren’t really posted in there so idk what you are talking about. Also it’s not about religion, it’s about faith. Religion has been used to justify many bad things like you said.
 
Arguing about religion doesn't make any sense. If you believe in God or a higher power or whatever and it helps you in your life, that's fine. If you don't, that's also fine. No need to convince someone one way or the other. But also I think you should tolerate each side - as long as noone gets hurt (e.g. wars because of religion or justifying other bad things, like mentioned here).

Just live your life without messing with someone elses, emotionally or physically. Best case scenario: do some good deeds now and then, that's it. Everyone has a different view on life, accept that.
 
someplace_else said:
Arguing about religion doesn't make any sense. If you believe in God or a higher power or whatever and it helps you in your life, that's fine. If you don't, that's also fine. No need to convince someone one way or the other. But also I think you should tolerate each side - as long as noone gets hurt (e.g. wars because of religion or justifying other bad things, like mentioned here).

Just live your life without messing with someone elses, emotionally or physically. Best case scenario: do some good deeds now and then, that's it. Everyone has a different view on life, accept that.
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Like I just said in the Christian Members thread, it honestly is difficult as a Christian in the sense that the moment we spread the gospel or good news, it comes across as forcing someone to believe. If you had some exciting news that there was eternal life after death and all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior and He would forgive all your sins, I would hope you would tell people right? Please know I’m not trying to argue, I’m just challenging others to think deeper about life. I have figured out no matter how much we try, we will never be perfect no matter how many “good deeds” we do and are in need of a savior.
 
Sawyer Grubb said:
Like I just said in the Christian Members thread, it honestly is difficult as a Christian in the sense that the moment we spread the gospel or good news, it comes across as forcing someone to believe. If you had some exciting news that there was eternal life after death and all you had to do was accept Jesus as your savior and He would forgive all your sins, I would hope you would tell people right? Please know I’m not trying to argue, I’m just challenging others to think deeper about life. I have figured out no matter how much we try, we will never be perfect no matter how many “good deeds” we do and are in need of a savior.
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I think everyone knows what the Bible says and also about eternal life etc. - so imo everyone should decide for themselves if believing in that is the way to go or not. You can also think deeper about life without having any religion.

So I, personally, would recommend to you: stick to your path if it makes you happy, but also tolerate when people don't want to go that way. If you try to convince people, you will get the opposite result. Learned that bcs I am vegetarian and I will never ever try to convince anyone again 😂.
 
someplace_else said:
I think everyone knows what the Bible says and also about eternal life etc. - so imo everyone should decide for themselves if believing in that is the way to go or not. You can also think deeper about life without having any religion.

So I, personally, would recommend to you: stick to your path if it makes you happy, but also tolerate when people don't want to go that way. If you try to convince people, you will get the opposite result. Learned that bcs I am vegetarian and I will never ever try to convince anyone again 😂.
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Not everyone does no. Once again, am also not saying people should have religion, I’m saying people should have faith in an eternal God which seems to have the most evidence for. Not just some random thing that makes them feel “happy”. But yeah I totally get what your saying but if know what the Bible says, you know that Jesus calls us to spread the word, and I’m a follower of Christ so that is what I do. I’m not trying to convince once again, just trying to get people to think deeper about life looking at the evidence we have and how there is hope through Christ in our future.
 
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