Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

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Larry King did take the stand or may be he appeared before the judge during the trial but without the jurors. He was going to testify that he met Larry Feldman for lunch where they discussed the Arviso case and Larry told him their case was not as strong as the Chandlers, that he did not trust them or did not believe them I don't remember exactly. The judge of course ruled it was hearsay and prevented him from testifying to that.
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Barbara Streistand needs to be quiet with all the stuff said about her which is mostly not nice. Ok Babs, let a doc come out about you. Some of these celebs act like this can not happen to them. Go along with this trash if u want to, we are going to see some people who use to be in your camp come out with claims. This should be something EVERY celeb (and even society) should be against. it will come back to bit.
 

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Barbara Streistand needs to be quiet with all the stuff said about her which is mostly not nice. Ok Babs, let a doc come out about you. Some of these celebs act like this can not happen to them. Go along with this trash if u want to, we are going to see some people who use to be in your camp come out with claims. This should be something EVERY celeb (and even society) should be against. it will come back to bit.

We would be stupid if we believed for a minute that Barbara Streisand of all people will deviate from Geffen's agenda.
 

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Credit to the French fans and journalists for grilling them on that "documentary" the rest of the world haven't done that enough
 

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I want so badly for some kind of evidence or something concreate to come out that proves these two are liars!

I want all these people who condemned Michael to look stupid when the truth comes out.

I'm just worried that we won't ever get the evidence needed to clear Michael's name when it comes to these accusers.


I'm totally consumed with what's going on with Michael because I just hate to see injustice anywhere especially involving someone that is no longer here to speak for himself.

We relly need vindication for Michael.
 
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Barbara Streistand needs to be quiet with all the stuff said about her which is mostly not nice. Ok Babs, let a doc come out about you. Some of these celebs act like this can not happen to them. Go along with this trash if u want to, we are going to see some people who use to be in your camp come out with claims. This should be something EVERY celeb (and even society) should be against. it will come back to bit.

Smooth Emjay on Twitter just told me Streisand is linked to Oprah = linked to Weinstein. That tells me all I need to know. I've come to a point where I don't care about uninformed celebrity opinions anyway. **** em.
 

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I want so badly for some kind of evidence or something concreate to come out that proves these two are liars!

I want all these people who condemned Michael to look stupid when the truth comes out.

I'm just worried that we won't ever get the evidence needed to clear Michael's name when it comes to these accusers.


I'm totally consumed with what's going on with Michael because I just hate to see injustice anywhere especially involving someone that is no longer here to speak for himself.

We relly need vindication for Michael.
To me it is plenty of evidence that knocked these fools. Some people just want to overlook it.
 

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Smooth Emjay on Twitter just told me Streisand is linked to Oprah = linked to Weinstein. That tells me all I need to know. I've come to a point where I don't care about uninformed celebrity opinions anyway. **** em.
She is but barbara is not know to be liked by many who know her. I am sure some of them may one day claims lies to get paid in a doc. See, if u are going to believe MJ's then that mean everyone needs to believe claims against everyone else who have a doc just on claims. See the danger they are opening up and do not even know it because they think they are getting over on MJ.
 

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Is this advertisement for a sex abuse film or unvieling of a new product?

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She is but barbara is not know to be liked by many who know her. I am sure some of them may one day claims lies to get paid in a doc. See, if u are going to believe MJ's then that mean everyone needs to believe claims against everyone else who have a doc just on claims. See the danger they are opening up and do not even know it because they think they are getting over on MJ.

Like Geffen, she's a right wing zionist (still liberal lol). Enough said.
 

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I want so badly for some kind of evidence or something concreate to come out that proves these two are liars!

I want all these people who condemned Michael to look stupid when the truth comes out.

I'm just worried that we won't ever get the evidence needed to clear Michael's name when it comes to these accusers.


I'm totally consumed with what's going on with Michael because I just hate to see injustice anywhere especially involving someone that is no longer here to speak for himself.

We relly need vindication for Michael.

There's more behind this than meets the eye,this is disgusting work from all sorts of high up moguls.

To me it is plenty of evidence that knocked these fools. Some people just want to overlook it.

Lots are seeing MJ is guilty but that's because every say they are fed more lies to help their agenda.

Everyone needs to send them a THANK YOU for fairness!!

I have done It's really refreshing to see some proper journalism.
I loved it.
 

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There's more behind this than meets the eye,this is disgusting work from all sorts of high up moguls.



Lots are seeing MJ is guilty but that's because every say they are fed more lies to help their agenda.



I have done It's really refreshing to see some proper journalism.
I loved it.
But many see MJ as innocent and cash cow. I believe more love MJ they just are not in the debating or care what anyone say. if he comes on or his music, they are up and loving it. Again, haters get the most attention.
 

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But many see MJ as innocent and cash cow. I believe more love MJ they just are not in the debating or care what anyone say. if he comes on or his music, they are up and loving it. Again, haters get the most attention.

I would guess it's more against now than what was on the fence after 05.
If we are talking about non fans,then sure,there is still plenty who believe it was about money but there are still lots who think otherwise.

His music will never die,you can be sure of that but of course,as fans,we want more,we don't want MJ's name tarnished with such allegations.

Yeah,can't disagree that haters will make more publicity.
 

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Is twitter really effective ? We tweet and retweet a lot, but the media (except for people like John Ziegler) still choose to ignore it. Some celebrities aren't better.
 

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Is twitter really effective ? We tweet and retweet a lot, but the media (except for people like John Ziegler) still choose to ignore it. Some celebrities aren't better.
There are always going to be a few bandwagon jumpers no matter who it is. MJ is just the bigger fish. Dead 10 years and are acting like MJ is still here.
 

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I would guess it's more against now than what was on the fence after 05.


I do not know. The trash flopped and again we give more attention to haters because they speak the loudest even if they are not as big as we think.
 

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JoEy Robinson was liking pro MJ posts on Facebook as recently as 2015! The fans got screenshots. She immediately unliked the posts and made her page private. OMG
They need to post it on very media site and on site.
 

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Off topic but still important: This is how some of our justice works towards many blacks (I am sad to say). This is also one reason I can understand MJ settling back in 1993.He knew it was about $$$ so why risk it.

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This part is what got to me:

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Is twitter really effective ? We tweet and retweet a lot, but the media (except for people like John Ziegler) still choose to ignore it. Some celebrities aren't better.

I'm only new to it and only signed up to defend MJ so for me,it is effective as its reaching out and the haters I give the truth to,no nastiness,just be polite and educate is my ploy.
No hater is going to admit much but I bet some will dig deeper into the facts so yeah,I think it's worth it.

I would guess it's more against now than what was on the fence after 05.


I do not know. The trash flopped and again we give more attention to haters because they speak the loudest even if they are not as big as we think.

It flopped numbers wise but many will watch on the likes of YouTube so what the actual figures are we'll never know.
What I do know is that its getting plenty of attention,that's the problem,it flopped yet it has been hogging social media for weeks now,Reed is touring,getting the media circus to follow.
 
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What did Barbra Streisand say?

She said she absolutely believes them but his sexual needs were his sexual needs and were the result of his childhood or his DNA, according to Wade and James they liked it and they got married, had children so that did not kill them. They asked her whether she feels bad for them she said yes she feels bad for them and for MJ also.

Pro paedophilia propaganda, or maybe she knows they are lying so she does not feel sympathy for them but cannot deviate from the script.

Of course the media run with the story and many articles are now up going after her. They've got another opportunity to slander MJ they will not let it go.
 
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Thanks to both of you, couldn't find anything an twitter and instagram about this. I am a fan of her music, but, besides believing their story, its very strange to say that it did not kill them...I mean, most victims of child abuse survive and marry and have a family later in their life, thats not what abuse is about at all, its about suffering mentally and physically. Very odd statement.
 

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Thanks to both of you, couldn't find anything an twitter and instagram about this. I am a fan of her music, but, besides believing their story, its very strange to say that it did not kill them...I mean, most victims of child abuse survive and marry and have a family later in their life, thats not what abuse is about at all, its about suffering mentally and physically. Very odd statement.

The agenda is to normalise paedophilia. They need 'woke' people to push the agenda. She is doing it. She acts like paedophilia is a sexual orientation and as they said they enjoyed it so what.
 

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I don't believe in this "normalizing paedophilia agenda" thing. Its of course a goal of some paedophiles (not all of them!), but I consider it way too far-fetched to believe that normal people support that or are even aware that some stuff Reed said is very similar to what NAMBLA members say. It seems much more plausible to assume that celebrities, who support LN, are just jumping on the band wagon for their own career or because they really believe in the "You should always stand on the victims side" stuff or they are just hysterical people who are not interested in hearing both sides and are not informed about the whole case at all, maybe because they believed in MJ's guilt even before. Probably they just watched the doc or read one or two articles and thats it. Fans should stop coming up with conspiracy theories like this, it damages the credibility of the whole fan community.

Also this black/white issue...I know that there is a serious racism problem in the United States and always has been, but it is again not helpful to see that kind of motivation behind every action against a black person. In Michaels case it's more plausible that they mainly attack him because he is an easy target with his unique persona and lifestyle and has always been considered strange by many people.
 
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