Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[Alh21]

Of course I have tried to do these things privately. But I am ignored.

then please accept my apology

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Comedian Godfrey agrees wholeheartedly with Chapelle. And he's also quite clear how he thinks about these accusers. Awesome video. Part about Mike is near the end.

https://youtu.be/jCR-ibapogQ

 

[8701girl]

I believe Weinstein did something to her; however, Rose should NOT let her experience think it is a reflection on MJ's accusers. MJ accusers are clear liars and there are too many things to prove it even from court.

very true

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thread on upcoming <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOneMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOneMJ</a> documentary. <a href="https://t.co/ta8T2yDtlj">https://t.co/ta8T2yDtlj</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1175646595674562561?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I was notified that fans on the East Coast claimed that Dan Reed's award on the Emmys was NOT aired. Against everything I stand for, I watched the creative Emmys 20 minutes in, and they were right. Dan Reed's Emmy win was NOT aired. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EmmysSupportsFrauds?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EmmysSupportsFrauds</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1175643012061249537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&quot;And for MJ fans you are not alone there are many of us who don’t have social media accounts like Twitter/ Facebook but we are watching your videos of debunking the lies on YouTube. you guys are providing more people with the truth than you know. Keep it up.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/esY057yrB9">pic.twitter.com/esY057yrB9</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1175547074567233536?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">21. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Lightbringer]

Hey folks. I come with bad news.

Here in sweden Leaving Neverland was set to be broadcasted for free during 6 months on the swedish national television channel. However after the channel noticed Dan Reed winning an emmy SVT decided that Leaving Neverland will be broadcasted for a FURTHER 2 years. Pretty insane, is it not? I am just shocked by the utter stupdity.

 

[NatureCriminal7896]

Yeah but how i'm suppose to understand. you guys make me feel uncomfortable, scared me and feel like i'm being bullied maybe i should go. i don't know why sign up anyway due the fact i don't understand somethings. i try my best. my anxiety is kicking in right now as we speak. now i'm afraid to even post anything anymore because all what gonna happen i won't understand. i seem only one on here to make this place lively when i'm not nervous. you have talk to me kindly in order for to even talk you that why ignore some people and don't talk to others. plus i'm still somewhat new so it takes a long time to warm up to people. i'm also even nervous typing this. maybe i'm too unable to use this site. i'm already so nervous now i'm sweating. maybe i shouldn't post anymore. *cover self with blanket for real*

 

[OnirMJ]

Can someone please explain to me what is arbitration and what is the difference between a trial and arbitration? Does the arbitration mean that HBO is guilty and now they have to decide how much money should be awarded to the Estate? Or what? I don't understand.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please do not RT me. Please copy/paste the link to the youtube trailer, and use the hashtag <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOneMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOneMJ</a>. This will get the trailer and hashtag much further than just RT'ing within the fanbase. Help POSITIVE and truthful efforts move past the fan base to the general public. <a href="https://t.co/xC3rhsRTsv">https://t.co/xC3rhsRTsv</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1176176451931889664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To buy tickets for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SquareOneMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SquareOneMJ</a>, please click the link. <a href="https://t.co/zOI2Ghw3cF">https://t.co/zOI2Ghw3cF</a> <a href="https://t.co/EiBU21bltQ">pic.twitter.com/EiBU21bltQ</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1176179357120778245?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#michaeljackson</a> music playing at the emmy after party? lol <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/36Oouq7yWL">pic.twitter.com/36Oouq7yWL</a></p>&mdash; Amel Ramirez (@Amel_Ramirez92) <a href="https://twitter.com/Amel_Ramirez92/status/1176107979227181057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">John Ziegler's Leaving Neverland Update &#3898;&#9733;&#3899; Leaving NeverLand Dates &amp; E... <a href="https://t.co/Q0uCSSeZBn">https://t.co/Q0uCSSeZBn</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/YouTube?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@YouTube</a></p>&mdash; &#127801;Claudia&#127871;Justice please ! (@Jackson88156851) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jackson88156851/status/1175961065269710848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Funny how Leaving Neverland’s audience score was hidden right before Emmy voting began and was kept hidden till the Emmy voting deadline had passed. Now you know why. <a href="https://t.co/zWXew1gElW">https://t.co/zWXew1gElW</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1175846788042936320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">22. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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[WannaScream]

Yeah but how i'm suppose to understand. you guys make me feel uncomfortable, scared me and feel like i'm being bullied maybe i should go. i don't know why sign up anyway due the fact i don't understand somethings. i try my best. my anxiety is kicking in right now as we speak. now i'm afraid to even post anything anymore because all what gonna happen i won't understand. i seem only one on here to make this place lively when i'm not nervous. you have talk to me kindly in order for to even talk you that why ignore some people and don't talk to others. plus i'm still somewhat new so it takes a long time to warm up to people. i'm also even nervous typing this. maybe i'm too unable to use this site. i'm already so nervous now i'm sweating. maybe i shouldn't post anymore. *cover self with blanket for real*

If you're very stressed it might help to have a short break from the forum. Misunderstandings happen with everyone so it's not only you, even if you find it happens more often. I've not been on here long and don't post much but I when I'm here I enjoy reading your comments and hope you will still be around.

 

[Alh21]

Yeah but how i'm suppose to understand. you guys make me feel uncomfortable, scared me and feel like i'm being bullied maybe i should go. i don't know why sign up anyway due the fact i don't understand somethings. i try my best. my anxiety is kicking in right now as we speak. now i'm afraid to even post anything anymore because all what gonna happen i won't understand. i seem only one on here to make this place lively when i'm not nervous. you have talk to me kindly in order for to even talk you that why ignore some people and don't talk to others. plus i'm still somewhat new so it takes a long time to warm up to people. i'm also even nervous typing this. maybe i'm too unable to use this site. i'm already so nervous now i'm sweating. maybe i shouldn't post anymore. *cover self with blanket for real*

Just chill, we all make mistakes I&#8217;ve made a few on here as well, why do we make u uncomfortable?

 

[Robbsaber01]

Hey folks. I come with bad news.

Here in sweden Leaving Neverland was set to be broadcasted for free during 6 months on the swedish national television channel. However after the channel noticed Dan Reed winning an emmy SVT decided that Leaving Neverland will be broadcasted for a FURTHER 2 years. Pretty insane, is it not? I am just shocked by the utter stupdity.

Wow. I would say im completely surprised but when it comes to MJ anything can happen. The fact this Movie got an emmy shows how rigged and fake the agenda is.

 

[Anna]

Yeah but how i'm suppose to understand. you guys make me feel uncomfortable, scared me and feel like i'm being bullied maybe i should go. i don't know why sign up anyway due the fact i don't understand somethings. i try my best. my anxiety is kicking in right now as we speak. now i'm afraid to even post anything anymore because all what gonna happen i won't understand. i seem only one on here to make this place lively when i'm not nervous. you have talk to me kindly in order for to even talk you that why ignore some people and don't talk to others. plus i'm still somewhat new so it takes a long time to warm up to people. i'm also even nervous typing this. maybe i'm too unable to use this site. i'm already so nervous now i'm sweating. maybe i shouldn't post anymore. *cover self with blanket for real*

There is no need for drama... If everyone was left to just run rampant, this place would be a chaotic mess. The rules exist for a reason and moderators exist for a reason. We know you have issues. I'm not expecting you to be perfect. But I do expect you to at least read and acknowledge messages from staff and try to follow our instructions.

If you want to continue this discussion, please do so through PM. It's derailing the thread.

 

[Big Apple NYC]

EMMYS HIT ALL-TIME LOW

Apparently, only 6.9 million viewers watched the Emmys, compared to last year, wherein there were 10.21 million viewers. Keeping in mind that last year, they said 10.21 million viewers was an all-time low.

Welp, for "whatever" reason (I read a bunch of different comments sections and everybody has a theory, INCLUDING the mention of the Emmys being a fraud, because of Leaving Neverland), the Emmys did really, really horrible this year.

 

[myosotis]

Can someone please explain to me what is arbitration and what is the difference between a trial and arbitration? Does the arbitration mean that HBO is guilty and now they have to decide how much money should be awarded to the Estate? Or what? I don't understand.

Arbitration is a bit like a trial without a jury. The 'judge(s)' make a decision after hearing evidence. The 'judge(s)' are called 'arbitrators' and may not be 'legal' judges- they might be specialists in areas like contracts / employment etc. who have specialist training or qualifications.

So HBO are not 'guilty' yet. The arbitration evidence has not been heard yet. HBO will likely appeal the anti-SLAPP, before anything further can happen. Also, I think the first step in arbitration is to decide who will arbitrate.

This discussion really belongs to the 'Estate vs HBO' thread, apologies for any derailment.

 

[Elton-Cetera]

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Just saw this on Twitter. James Safechuckle making a new biography, musical, whatever called Smooth Criminal.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9855016/?ref_=m_nm_knf_i1

Here is the synopsis of the thing. Sounds strangely normal.

https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20190924-0jjkrn.jpg

 

[PoP]

Just saw this on Twitter. James Safechuckle making a new biography, musical, whatever called Smooth Criminal.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9855016/?ref_=m_nm_knf_i1

Here is the synopsis of the thing. Sounds strangely normal.

https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20190924-0jjkrn.jpg

Oh for the love God NO!!!

EMMYS HIT ALL-TIME LOW

Apparently, only 6.9 million viewers watched the Emmys, compared to last year, wherein there were 10.21 million viewers. Keeping in mind that last year, they said 10.21 million viewers was an all-time low.

Welp, for "whatever" reason (I read a bunch of different comments sections and everybody has a theory, INCLUDING the mention of the Emmys being a fraud, because of Leaving Neverland), the Emmys did really, really horrible this year.

HA! I knew it! I KNEW IT!!!

 

[Anna]

Just saw this on Twitter. James Safechuckle making a new biography, musical, whatever called Smooth Criminal.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9855016/?ref_=m_nm_knf_i1

Here is the synopsis of the thing. Sounds strangely normal.

https://abload.de/img/screenshot_20190924-0jjkrn.jpg

I sincerely hope that this is either a stalled project or someone on IMDb is trolling, because seriously, what the ****? Maybe he planned this before LN was released, assuming that piece of rubbish was going to catapult him into MeToo stardom. Or maybe, not content with the mediocre impact of his bs in LN, he's going to try and bring Michael down by approaching this from the perspective of his creative output and try to twist and merge it with the non-existent paedo side that they tried to shove down people's throats in LN. Except that will fail even harder. He'll be banking on all of us to give our attention to this new filth and feed it on twitter, since no one else but the media will care about whatever this is. Trash, trash, trash. It's funny though, because the promotion they did and going to awards shows has just made them look even less credible. A real victim is not going to act like they have. Whenever they add to this insanity they just make it even more obvious what massive frauds they are. Anyone in possession of the facts who still believes these evil, evil people aren't just out to make money off of Michael are complete morons.

 

[OnirMJ]

Arbitration is a bit like a trial without a jury. The 'judge(s)' make a decision after hearing evidence. The 'judge(s)' are called 'arbitrators' and may not be 'legal' judges- they might be specialists in areas like contracts / employment etc. who have specialist training or qualifications.

So HBO are not 'guilty' yet. The arbitration evidence has not been heard yet. HBO will likely appeal the anti-SLAPP, before anything further can happen. Also, I think the first step in arbitration is to decide who will arbitrate.

This discussion really belongs to the 'Estate vs HBO' thread, apologies for any derailment.

Thank you very much!

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Also saw on Twitter that Wade apparently had a falling out with Dan Reed and that is one of the reasons he wasn't at the emmys? Man that would be beautiful, I wish they turn on each other.

 

[Alh21]

Also saw on Twitter that Wade apparently had a falling out with Dan Reed and that is one of the reasons he wasn't at the emmys? Man that would be beautiful, I wish they turn on each other.

yes so do I, I wonder what each one would reveal about the other, that would be a very interesting read

 

[analogue]

Also saw on Twitter that Wade apparently had a falling out with Dan Reed and that is one of the reasons he wasn't at the emmys? Man that would be beautiful, I wish they turn on each other.

Maybe Robson is mad at Reed because Leaving Neverland didn't get the reaction from people he was hoping for.

 

[Big Apple NYC]

Also saw on Twitter that Wade apparently had a falling out with Dan Reed and that is one of the reasons he wasn't at the emmys? Man that would be beautiful, I wish they turn on each other.

Sounds very plausible!

Many past alliances have met that same fate. Two massive egos, butting heads, I would NOT be surprised, because I can't see Robson passing up a chance to be in the spotlight, unless something was going on behind the scenes.

I mean, I don't know about Reed, but Robson STILL thinks he's the best choreographer the world has ever seen. LOL. So, of course, in my opinion, it's his way or the highway.

TIME WILL TELL.

 

[Alh21]

Sounds very plausible!

Many past alliances have met that same fate. Two massive egos, butting heads, I would NOT be surprised, because I can't see Robson passing up a chance to be in the spotlight, unless something was going on behind the scenes.

I mean, I don't know about Reed, but Robson STILL thinks he's the best choreographer the world has ever seen. LOL. So, of course, in my opinion, it's his way or the highway.

TIME WILL TELL.

I defo agree with that, wades head is so far up his own a***e, he really thinks hes something special. if its true and they have fallen out it could only be reed that dishes the dirt on robson, if it was going to be the other way round surely that would mean robson admitting he was lying, reed could get away with saying the pair of them lied to me and I didn't see it at the time, bit of a reach I know but these three don't seem to live in the real world

 

[Big Apple NYC]

Also saw on Twitter that Wade apparently had a falling out with Dan Reed and that is one of the reasons he wasn't at the emmys? Man that would be beautiful, I wish they turn on each other.

Is it at all possible for you to post the Twitter conversation regarding the above. I would really love to read it. IF POSSIBLE. Thanks!

 

[From Motown To Your Town]

Reed is not going to go against Robson, or vice versa no matter what's happened. They both have to much riding on this scam to turn on each other.

 

[Word Smith Sr]

Reed is not going to go against Robson, or vice versa no matter what's happened. They both have to much riding on this scam to turn on each other.

Party pooper. :tongue:

 

[Big Apple NYC]

In my opinion, Reed would throw those 2 clowns under the bus with a quickness, if it meant protecting/saving his pathetic career. Safechuck and Robson can go back to living a private life, while Reed would like to continue working.

We all saw how quick he was to come up with an EXCUSE, while trying to explain The Train Station Story (which just made matters worse). He obviously didn't think about Safechuck's ongoing lawsuit, when he made those comments. In my opinion, he was only trying to save himself and his mockumentary.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is a better report than that of NME. The King of Pop's Legacy is alive.<br>Michael Jackson's Estate Reportedly Made Nearly $2B Since His Death -- <a href="https://t.co/o9vacpUN9F">https://t.co/o9vacpUN9F</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/HipHopDX?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hiphopdx</a></p>&mdash; paul uwadima (@pauluwadima) <a href="https://twitter.com/pauluwadima/status/1176144115551088640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">23. September 2019</a></blockquote>
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[PoP]

Reed is not going to go against Robson, or vice versa no matter what's happened. They both have to much riding on this scam to turn on each other.

Well those backstabbing b@$^@#%$ are gonna regret working with Robotnik Reeks and they should be, karma's been biting their @$$es now and Reeks is starting to lose it.