Yes. Court appeal this summer. That is the motive for this trash doc. They lost 2 already but need this boost to try to win.This might be a newbie question but do Robson/Safechuck have ongoing lawsuits against the estate?
Thanks
AliCat;4244304 said:Dan Reed keeps selling his doco with "it isn't about Michael Jackson, it is about grooming."
Grooming Dynamic
Perpetrators of child sexual abuse (CSA) may gain the trust of potential child victims and their caregivers by methodically “grooming” them. This process begins with identifying potential victims, gaining their trust, and breaking down their defenses. These grooming tactics are often directed at potential youth victims as well as the adult caregivers—parents, other youth-serving professionals, and the community-at-large. After gaining access to children and youth by achieving this trust, the perpetrator initiates some kind of contact that s/he finds sexually gratifying. This sexual contact may range from voyeurism to rape and other forms of child sexual abuse. Grooming helps the offender gain access to the victim, and sets up a relationship grounded in secrecy so that the crime is less likely to be discovered.
Perpetrators of child sexual abuse are often individuals known to the family; they may be acquaintances, influential members of the community, trusted friends and even family members. Sometimes the offender is known to the family through association with an organization or activity in which the child or youth participates, such as school, a community club, sports team, recreation center or camp.
One reason that the perpetrator is able to exploit the child is because he or she holds the power in the relationship based on age and experience, size and strength, and adult status. A perpetrator may manipulate and use those power differences to gain the youth’s trust and confidence, and/or to create fear that enables the perpetrator to coerce the child or youth. (Note that this is not common in all cases of CSA; in many scenarios, there is NO trust at all, only coercion and fear.)
Grooming steps include:
-Identifying and targeting the victim.
Any child or teen may be a potential victim. Some predators may be attracted to children and youth with certain characteristics or may target youth with certain co-existing factors—such as vulnerable parents—to facilitate the crime.
-Gaining trust and access.
The perpetrator may observe the child and assesses his/her vulnerabilities to learn how best to approach and interact with the child. Perpetrators may offer the victims special attention, understanding and a sympathetic ear, and then engage the child in ways that eventually gain their friendship and trust (they may play games with victims or give them rides, provide them with gifts and/or special treats).
-Playing a role in the child’s life.
The perpetrator may manipulate the relationship so that it appears he or she is the only one who fully understands the child or meets the child’s needs in a particular way. A perpetrator may also exploit a youth’s empathy and convince the young person that s/he is the only one who understands the perpetrator and reinforce that the perpetrator “needs” the child or youth.
-Isolating the child.
Offering the child rides and/or taking the child out of his or her surroundings is one way that the perpetrator may separate the child from others and gain access to the child alone, so that others cannot witness the abuse. (Note that in other instances, perpetrators have been successful in molesting victims without detection while other adults were in the room.)
-Creating secrecy around the relationship.
The perpetrator may reinforce the special connection with the victim when they are alone or through private communication with the victim (such as letters, emails or text messages), and strengthen it with admonitions against telling anyone, lest others be unhappy about it. The perpetrator may threaten the victim with disclosure, suicide, physical harm to the child or loved ones, or other traumas if he or she tells.
-Initiating sexual contact.
With the power over the child victim established through emotional connection coercion or one of the other tactics, the perpetrator may eventually initiate physical contact with the victim. It may begin with touching that is not overtly sexual (though a predator may find it sexually gratifying) and that may appear to be casual (arm around the shoulder, pat on the knee, etc.). Gradually, the perpetrator may introduce more sexualized touching. By breaking down inhibitions and desensitizing the child, the perpetrator can begin overtly touching the child.
-Controlling the relationship.
Perpetrators rely on the secrecy of the relationship to keep it going, and to ensure that the child will not reveal the abuse. Children are often afraid of disclosing the abuse. They may have been told that they will not be believed, or that something about the child “makes” the abuser do this to them. The child may also feel shame, or fear that they will be blamed. Often, the perpetrator threatens the child to ensure that s/he won’t disclose the abuse.
http://victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/grooming-dynamic-of-csa
Michael Jackson may have shared his home, his bed, his amusement park, his train, his theater with less fortunate children, whether financially or physically. But it was to be an Inspiration, not to take advantage of them. Jimmy and Wade came from poorer families. It seems the greed bug has bit them hard. Are they trying to groom us?!
Yes. Court appeal this summer. That is the motive for this trash doc. They lost 2 already but need this boost to try to win.
I agree. that is why they are going around do all of this promotion. That is telling of itself. but the Estate bet not ever settle with this clowns. That will be worst. I wish MJ never settled with the Chandlers although I understand.They have zero chance of winning their appeals. No matter how many times they deny they have been paid by HBO I don't believe this for a minute. HBO must have taken care of them financially by some means but they will never admit to that because HBO has an interest in presenting them as credible as possible. The appeals are ongoing because they still have not lost hope that the estate would settle with them. They are now counting on a public outcry against MJ and/or more so called victims to come forward so the estate is shamed enough and pressured to give them money.
Watching these guys get interviewed, they are terrible. So unconvincing.
They're lucky the documentary itself is glossy and well made enough to make them seem plausible, because based on the interviews they don't appear in any way credible. Twitchy, nervous, always looking at the floor. A body language expert would have a field day with their deception.
Absolutely terrible performance by both of them. Wade is very unemotional. He is cold as a stone he tries so hard to look sad but he is so full of himself, so arrogant, very unlikable person, he is so gross actually. I swear to God when he showed up to testify for MJ in 2005, I got all negative vibes from him. I have never liked him. His eyes, the emptiness in his eyes. The sociopath eyes are all I could see in him even back then. I knew he would flip once the money dries. I knew it. He does not laugh, he always smirks. Even as a child, those empty soulless eyes were there. How MJ could not see it? He was a very emotional person and terrible at judging people.
They have zero chance of winning their appeals. No matter how many times they deny they have been paid by HBO I don't believe this for a minute. HBO must have taken care of them financially by some means but they will never admit to that because HBO has an interest in presenting them as credible as possible. The appeals are ongoing because they still have not lost hope that the estate would settle with them. They are now counting on a public outcry against MJ and/or more so called victims to come forward so the estate is shamed enough and pressured to give them money.
General Judges hate that when people on ongoing lawsuits run to the media to influence their decision .
I agree. that is why they are going around do all of this promotion. That is telling of itself. but the Estate bet not ever settle with this clowns. That will be worst. I wish MJ never settled with the Chandlers although I understand.
Uh.
You guys remember the story Wade told about having a BBQ with Michael in Vegas in 2008?
Yeah. Apparently that didn't happen.
Uh.
You guys remember the story Wade told about having a BBQ with Michael in Vegas in 2008?
Yeah. Apparently that didn't happen.
Why did the BBC and police cover it up?
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Because saville was seen as a god like figure. A national treasure.he had been a DJ on radio one in the 60's became a t v presenter.was close friends with princess diana amongst other royals. Was lorded for his charity work.raising money for hospitals etc. He had alot of friends in very high places royals goverment.long before he died there were claims and police wanting to investigate but it was shut down by those higher up along with those who ran the BBC.when he died there was a docu. Mainly claims by old women. (He used to do charity work in hospitals and was allowed to go literally anywhere because of who he was.) then literally 300 plus people came out.some prob jumping on the bandwagon but that stilk leaves alot. the bbc ended up paying out compensation for the cover up
Stated looking around about MJFacts
Says it is owned by this
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Well Michael was not given that. MJ was jumped on and the press and no one let up. That is the difference in black defendants compare to white defendants as well. Blacks are often looked at as guilty when accused whereas whites are not. I still believe Dan Reed is a closet pervert.No one who knew protected him because he was a national treasure. He was protected because they themselves were perverts and did not want another pervert to be exposed.
G-B_24;4244342 said:Stated looking around about MJFacts
Says it is owned by this
Go China Domains, LLC
14455 North Hayden Road
Suite 219
Scottsdale AZ 85260
United States
1-480-505-8800
icann@gochinadomains.com
You know I have never had a problem like that from no where even in 2005.Message for all the fans
Wear your MJ T.shirts with pride, proudly blast his music and keep showing him all the love. Never let anyone make you feel ashamed of your support for him
I have just come across a tweet by someone who attended Oprah's show who said she found the accusers credibility to be questionable. From her profile she seems opinionated and has addressed many stories in the news but not single post about MJ which is great. This is a member of the public who was not swayed. God please have MJ's back.
Paris78;4244210 said:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On Fox News at 8pm <a href="https://twitter.com/Geraldo?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Geraldo</a> and a few others were defending <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MichaelJackson</a> they think the two boys are just out for the money! They are so right. Thanks Fox News for airing that! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Geraldo?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Geraldo</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FoxNews?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FoxNews</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WadeRobson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WadeRobson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HBO?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HBO</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Hollywood?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Hollywood</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BREAKING?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BREAKING</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/defendmj?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#defendmj</a></p>— Darcee Bradshaw (@darcee_bradshaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/darcee_bradshaw/status/1101650968918310912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. März 2019</a></blockquote>
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fraroc04;4244270 said:MJFacts has been around since at least 2012, before any of the new allegations took place. I remember because I tried to find sources for an essay I was writing for my Public Policy/Civil Law class. I chose the Michael Jackson 2005 case, and I thought that a website called MJFacts was created by fans which was going to showcase all the evidence that proved he was innocent, all the court documents, the fact that no evidence was found during the Neverland raid, the fact that Tom Sneddon attempted to make phony evidence by making Gavin put his fingerprints on a playboy magazine (which is on record, not hearsay)
I took one look, and all I saw was tabloid bullshit.
