mdiegee210
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Wasn't MJ being investigated around this time, police, Sneddon and the FBI, where was w/s? and why would MJ ask w/s to testify for him IF he had molested them.
Like I said I have read reactions from several real victims on twitter who feel really offended. And Oprah promoting it and Weinstein has what 80 accusers?
I think he is a pedophile. It really sounds like it.
Nambla. Hes throwing stones to hide his hands.
Very good points there. And we all agree on that, we as fans know that he testified under oath that nothing ever happened. Didn't he even laugh it off at the trial during the cross examination? How old was he in 2005? It comes down to that he expects people to believe that he STILL saw it as love and normal and was protecting MJ there because he didn't want him to end in prison. He was an adult during the 2005 trial, right? So he wants us to believe he thought it was NORMAL and actual love and a relationship between him and MJ, that includes him having to perform oral sex, spreading his buttcheeks and so on. A adult that still then believes that was normal, he was merely protecting Michael.
But then he has a child of his own, he doesn't get the Cirque part (and God forbid when Wade doesn't get what he wants) he then starts to realize it was abuse because his memory evolved and then tries the book etc. The big problem is, many of the people watching that don't know about all that, they likely didn't go into this shitshow knowing about that complete 360 Wade did. I do think it's not impossible for us to discredit things but it's gonna be more challenging now.
He was born in 1982 so 23.
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4245140 said:Thank you. Good lord, and what year('s) does he claim these encounters occurred? I didn't watch LN.
Clearly he was very young, let's for now leave it at that. A 23 year old man STILL believes that it was normal for a grown ass man to act that way with a young boy?
Pause! This is what the doubters and believers need to know. Or well, it seems they know but they believe Wade.
Think about it! Dan Reed's "Leaving Neverland" is basically peddling the narrative that child sexual abuse victims enjoyed their abuse! My head is exploding. As Martin Luther King, Jr. used to say "The arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice..." I pray that this is true.
Its not perceived as ABUSE for the child, if its consensual sex.
Well, you do not seem to understand that is possible for a 10-14 year old to enjoy sexual acts with an adult. Why would it not be possible? Its consensual sexual acts either way. If lets say 12 year old boy is in love with an adult and they get a blowjob, they are getting the same sexual sensations as if they were to get a blowjob from a 12 year old girl. The sexual aspects of it is very easy to understand. MJ were not physically harming them according to their stories, they made love to each other.
Whats maybe a bit harder to sell is that the kid would be in love with adult, but as the child sex expert is going to say, its not unseen of or insanely rare.
I am not saying Michael did any of this, since Safechuck is copying Gutierrez lies, but the public does not know that.
La74;4245142 said:And then at about 30 then you don’t get a job for a tribute show then you realize it was wrong. Very believable indeed. Also didn’t he feel like he cheated on Michael with Brandi and Britney Spears?
La74;4245145 said:The old mjjforum is about to reopen and then it does maybe we can work together. http://mjjforum.com/site/
Lightbringer;4245146 said:Its not perceived as ABUSE for the child, if its consensual sex. If you are being violent or doing stuff they get discomfort/disgust from then they would obviously not enjoy it. But thats not what the story is in this case.
Well, you do not seem to understand that is possible for a 10-14 year old to enjoy sexual acts with an adult. Why would it not be possible? Its consensual sexual acts either way. If lets say 12 year old boy is in love with an adult and they get a blowjob, they are getting the same sexual sensations as if they were to get a blowjob from a 12 year old girl. The sexual aspects of it is very easy to understand. MJ were not physically harming them according to their stories, they made love to each other.
Whats maybe a bit harder to sell is that the kid would be in love with adult, but as the child sex expert is going to say, its not unseen of or insanely rare. Its not like they are claiming something that have never been heard of before.
I am not saying Michael did any of this, since Safechuck is copying Gutierrez lies and I know all the facts - but the public does not know that. I just want to be realistic about what the clams are and how the general person will think of it.
La74;4245147 said:Anyway I have seen votings on twitter the the majorty does not beleive this.
La74;4245148 said:Some people will beleive it but a lot of people wont.
Carmour260;4245149 said:Alert, “The Wendy Williams Show” is going to talk about this mockumentary. I know they’re going to trash Michael, and I will not watch that tabloid mess!
I've read the last few pages here especially Lightbringers comments. From what I gather here. It is possible that those two are actually speaking the truth... We have zero ammunition to fire back so it could be true.
I've said this before but if others come forward now, there is no going back. The key is in what other guys who spend weeks and months with MJ do now. If something happened there is no more reason to stay silent. So if they stay silent...nothing happened... I think.
People want more indept is really good because then maybe they start investigate the whole story from the beginning. Like I said before Josephine Zohny who knew Jordan from university is ready to come forward if a legal counsel or the family contact her. Brett Barnes is threathening to sue and maybe others will as well. We wil have to wait and see what happens. There will ofcourse be people who goes ”he was accused” and then are just not interested in the circumstances but let us not focus on them. As for Jordan I can kind of image the situation and all the publicity it would bring.Brett Barnes has been haressed for weeks.terrell;4245151 said:The reaction is still not a bad. Many people are being fair even on the radio. many want to hear the other side because MJ is not here to defend himself. Some do not know what to think (that is better than someone who think he is guilty and they think that is that), and there are others who want more indept. I still feel in my heart this will work out for MJ. Now, all the dirt on the people who lied on him will be expose even for Jordan to admit he lied. Time will tell. But again, there seem to be more fair minded people. We still can have the Victory. Keep your heads ups. DO NOT GO BY SIGHT, GO BY FAITH.
I've read the last few pages here especially Lightbringers comments. From what I gather here. It is possible that those two are actually speaking the truth... We have zero ammunition to fire back so it could be true.
I've said this before but if others come forward now, there is no going back. The key is in what other guys who spend weeks and months with MJ do now. If something happened there is no more reason to stay silent. So if they stay silent...nothing happened... I think.
Exactly. However I do not believe this did happen with MJ but it is exactly what was "meant to have gone on with Jordan Chandler" . The Arvizo thing was totally bogus. You can instantly discount that. It's made to look like a love story and people of all ages can fall in love however the adult has to act like a human being and be responsible. Which hopefully in most cases people are.
I've read the last few pages here especially Lightbringers comments. From what I gather here. It is possible that those two are actually speaking the truth... We have zero ammunition to fire back so it could be true.
I've said this before but if others come forward now, there is no going back. The key is in what other guys who spend weeks and months with MJ do now. If something happened there is no more reason to stay silent. So if they stay silent...nothing happened... I think.
Exactly. I have been thinking that he could have had some kind of high functioning autism and he just didn’t understand what it looked like.Blondie;4245159 said:Gonna have to take a break from comments and social media etc for a bit but has anyone noticed this same old contradiction:
Michael: " was a master groomer, he had too much power and was very masterful at what he did. Incredible lengths and procedures to keep abuse quiet"
Also Michael: " Admits openly to having children sleep in his room on tv, makes himself an obvious target, invites his alleged rape victims to the witness stand to defend him"
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I am not sure but I just remember this sort of narrative being used by Jordan and his father or step father or whatever it is, apparently they "knew" MJ and Jordan were having an "affair" and that it did happen but tried to make money out of it regardless.