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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Thank you for the reply, is there a website detailing the events of the estate, or will it be published in the media when they know the outcome, I know 100% that Michael is innocent but it hurts to know that his name will never be cleared and that there will always be some people believing the crap that these two have come out with, I know there is another documentary coming out in August from Michaels bodyguard and I'm hoping that this will go a long way in hopefully proving his innocence
 
Sorry that post has been put on twice, having trouble with my Internet
 
But tbh I don't think there would be any accusations from these two if he was here, it wouldn't take long for Michael to prove they were lying, that's why they have waited until he wasn't here
 
People shouldn't be afraid to speak out for Michael. if they knew Michael and was friends with him i wouldn't be afraid. i don't care if loose people,friends,followers,watchers etc. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HE IS INNOCENT AND ALWAYS WAS AND IS. i would just let those people figure it out themselves or just look at them like their stupid.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can we all just applaud Taj for his Herculean levels of patience? Because anyone else would have blessed these people out by now (and rightfully so). <a href="https://t.co/fvsYeF88Sj">https://t.co/fvsYeF88Sj</a></p>&mdash; zo sesty (@radcalloway) <a href="https://twitter.com/radcalloway/status/1145701173514702849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks for all the links , documents and responses to my tweet about <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> - even the less than friendly ones! <br>Like I tweeted to <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> - this was a response as an <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> fan, to horrific stories about children and a man adored by millions.I’ll look at the links.</p>&mdash; shaimaa khalil BBC (@Shaimaakhalil) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shaimaakhalil/status/1145667995450130432?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now imagine dealing with these disgusting lies for 30 years!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/mBdzjnWK6p">https://t.co/mBdzjnWK6p</a></p>&mdash; Beth (@beth_catsmeow) <a href="https://twitter.com/beth_catsmeow/status/1145762318220976129?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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From Motown To Your Town said:
I recently went to see Lionel Richie. He has not muted MJ. As people were flowing into the venue, I heard at least 4 songs from Off The Wall. He sang We Are The World toward the end of his show and the crowd sang with him.
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His wife who is also a good friend of LaToya is a very active MJ supporter on Twitter.
 
Alh21 said:
Thank you for the reply, I don't think that's ever gonna happen, I hoping the vast majority of people will come to realise what a pack of lies these two have made up, with all the debunking that has been done lately about LN how can anyone still believe it, I know 100% that MJ is innocent but it would be so much better to be able to clear his name, is there a website that is covering the events or is it just gonna be published in the media, I did read that the documentary from Michaels bodyguard is going to be shown in August, this has got to go somewhere close to cleaning Michaels name
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The docu from the bodyguard presuming you are talking about fiddes? He wont help. The man is a pathological attenion seeker who had no real realationship with mj other than getting to hang out with mjs real security for a few days in june 2002 hes stories get more ridiculous as they go on. His last one being he lived with mj for the last ten years of his life
 
Yes this was the documentary I was talking about, this is such sad news, I was hoping it would help but it doesn't look like it's going to, it seems so hopeless and my heart goes out to his family and children, would everyone say that there is more people that believe Michael is innocent against the ones that choose to believe the lies
 
I posted this in the " Exposing Leaving Neverland" section in a new thread:

ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
Months ago I mentioned that I have read in a german article from a fanpage about MJs visit in Switzerland 1988 about his visit of the Chaplin Family together with his former personal Bodyguard Bill Bray! In this article it is reported that Bill Bray said there that he used to sleep in MJs room during the Bad tour to take better of him!

(I maybe try to find the article later).

The time MJ was in Swizerland was only a few days before the abuse should have started in paris!
When it can be in anyway confirmed that Bill Bray slept in the room /suite when MJ should have abused James, it did never happen because in James and his Family descriptions of the abbuse James was always alone with MJ in the room and Bill Bray was nowhere!
But who can today confirm that Bill Bray selept in Michaels room with him?
Bill Bray is dead!
Can maybe his family confirm this because he told it them?
The outher bodyguards who took care of MJ during the Bad tour?
Former hotel personal who for examle cleaned the room and can remember Bill Brays bed?
Did other former bodyguard of MJ ever mention that they also used to sleep in MJs room?
How can it be comfirmed?

I know it is possible that person who told this in the article can have invented this!
But it is a small hope that this is true and that it can be confirmed from some people!

I remember also from the Martin Bahir part in vegas that it semed to be not possible that sombody could enter Michaels room without the knoglage of the bodyguards!
I saw videos where two of them stood directly besides the door to his suite!
So the question is where were ALL of MJs bodyguards he had during the badtour when MJ was in his suite and what do they know about James sleepovers there?
In James and Stefanie S. Descriptions in LN the bodyguards were nowhere!!!
But this can not be the cast when they had to take care over the most famous person of the world!
Then they all had to be very close to him at antime without any break!

What do they know about where the safechucks were sleeping during the tour?
When they were really close friends to Michael they would sleep in the same hotel.
But when they were not close friends and James was mostly there becuse he was booked to perform with MJ on stage they would have slept in a other hotel woth James cause MJ said in the Glenda Tapes that he never slept in the same hotel with his tour staff!

Can MJs bodyguards from the Bad Tour be found and are they able to expose the Safechucks as liears and vindicate MJ from James accusations?
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When someone have some ideas to this plese post them here:

https://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/...y-slept-in-MJs-room-suite-during-the-Bad-tour
 
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Alh21 said:
Yes this was the documentary I was talking about, this is such sad news, I was hoping it would help but it doesn't look like it's going to, it seems so hopeless and my heart goes out to his family and children, would everyone say that there is more people that believe Michael is innocent against the ones that choose to believe the lies
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We still have Taj's documentary to come. Maybe that will repair some of the damage. He said he's going to address all of the past allegations and media lies, not just the ones in LN. But to get the facts out to the wider public he needs Netflix or worldwide broadcasts on major networks like LN got. And I don't see that happening. But we'll just have to wait and see.

I'd say there's definitely more people who are either unsure/don't care/believe Michael is guilty than people who believe he is innocent. The media have been brainwashing the public for decades and LN just made things a lot worse. It crushed the swell of goodwill that his death created. Michael's legacy survives because there are still millions of people all over the world who believe he is innocent or are unsure but still appreciate his art. I think anyone else would have been destroyed by now, but Michael was the most beloved, talented, and influential star on Earth. Unless something huge happens to prove his innocence, he is always going to have a paedophile label attached to him. That's just something we have to accept, unfortunately.
 
So as some of you know I am working on a Victor Gutierrez document. Dissecting and exposing him in detail that has never been done before. I stated that I will be releasing this on July 15th..

I keep finding myself in rabit holes of information and documents.. IF (hypothetically) I kept gathering what I found to be important.

should I?
1. Release 7.15/19, and if there is more information set it up as a Pt. 1 and Pt. 2 thing?
2. delay the project and release it all as one large document?

I wanted the 15th cuz the HBO hearing that day, this month has some relavency to Gutierrez's story.
 
Alh21;4261939 said:
But tbh I don't think there would be any accusations from these two if he was here, it wouldn't take long for Michael to prove they were lying, that's why they have waited until he wasn't here
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Of course, there would be no allegations if Michael was here, Neither Robson, Safechuck, Oprah ar Reed would have the guts to do this if Michael was alive, They have zero proof of what they are claiming and they wouldn’t stand a chance in a courtroom. There would be no LN. All involved are cowards.
 
Anna said:
Unless something huge happens to prove his innocence, he is always going to have a paedophile label attached to him. That's just something we have to accept, unfortunately.
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Please don't say that. it's really hurts and even still hurts to know Michael will always have that label on him. he was such a good man. really hope something big does happen with his innocence. i really hope his nephew got this all plan well. i'm glad at least one of the family members speaking out and doing something. because if wasn't for him or Michael niece i don't know what we would will be right about now.
 
Safechuck and Robson knew what their was doing. they waited until Michael was gone to do this. sick and disgusting. i wonder what would of happen if Michael never went away. they probably would been broke somewhere right about now. which they pretty at right now.
 
Sorry missed your post, glad someone else has seen it thou
 
Does anyone know what them two have said about the evidence that has been presented after LN, have they come up with more lies to cover up the mistakes they have made in their story's, I was just curious to know if anyone had read anything
 
NatureCriminal7896 said:
Please don't say that. it's really hurts and even still hurts to know Michael will always have that label on him. he was such a good man. really hope something big does happen with his innocence. i really hope his nephew got this all plan well. i'm glad at least one of the family members speaking out and doing something. because if wasn't for him or Michael niece i don't know what we would will be right about now.
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I know it hurts, but it's true. No use trying to pretend otherwise. That's just the way it is.
 
Anna said:
The only way to challenge the allegations would be if Michael was still alive and took legal action himself, because there's no law against defaming the dead in America. The only thing the Estate could do is sue HBO for breach of their former contract and present their case for Robson and Safechuck's pending appeals as to why an exception to the statute of limitations does not apply - which is what they're doing. Leaving Neverland was an attempt to increase the chances of Robson and Safechuck's appeals going through, but legally, they don't have a leg to stand on, which is why their cases have already been tossed out of court. The only way Michael's name will be cleared is if an accuser comes out and admits they lied.
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How i wish jordie would come once n for all and come clean
 
I believe the truth will come out one day. There will be justice. But I have no idea about the timescale or the specifics.
 
8701girl said:
How i wish jordie would come once n for all and come clean
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Jordan Chandler is an evil man like his father's and mother. Evan would have never been able to execute his plan without Jordan's help. Jordan helped his father in every way possible. MJ was completely naive to believe children are pure. Most Psychopaths and sociopaths are born evil.
 
Michael was too good for this world. lol. not all kids are pure and innocent. that phase bad seed. yeah bad seeds do exists. and there's a lot of them.
 
Soundmind said:
Jordan Chandler is an evil man like his father's and mother. Evan would have never been able to execute his plan without Jordan's help. Jordan helped his father in every way possible. MJ was completely naive to believe children are pure. Most Psychopaths and sociopaths are born evil.
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Hope they haven't breed. they don't need to breed anymore.
 
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