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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even in death, Michael Jackson still grabs the headlines. Our conversation on <a href="https://twitter.com/fox5dc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fox5dc</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FOX5LION?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FOX5LION</a> about the King of Pop went viral.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FOX5?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FOX5</a> <a href="https://t.co/gjGqIjgH76">https://t.co/gjGqIjgH76</a></p>&mdash; GuyLambert (@GuyLambertNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuyLambertNews/status/1147915452062019590?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Our fight isnt over. Let's not get complacent. Complacency is the last hurdle, standing between any team &amp; its potential greatness, &amp; we're making an astounding amount of progress in ensuring <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a>'s legacy continues for future generations to come. Continue being great.</p>&mdash; Think Fathers (@SeanyKane) <a href="https://twitter.com/SeanyKane/status/1147806615300640768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can't stand that. That's what I tell ppl who only watched the movie and want to act like they know. Um, my family KNEW Micheal personally. My Dad was incredibly close to him. I'm pretty sure I have a better idea of who he was than somebody manipulated by lies.</p>&mdash; Laura Bottrell (@LBottrell808) <a href="https://twitter.com/LBottrell808/status/1147263400101023745?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">5. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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MJPoetryFan;4262523 said:
Not sure if this theory was ever brought up as to one of the reason’s many were/are so willing to believe the allegations but I feel more were so willing to believe them is because they are “attractive”. Attractive people are more believed. Like look at that Michael dude from Germany? - his accusations are as weak as WR and JS’s. But he is more readily dismissed because, let’s be honest here, he’s not attractive. Thoughts?
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There is a clear benefit to being attractive in life in general, so it is quite possible that the attractiveness of Robson and Safechuck is a factor in this case. Conversely, the fact that people thought/think that Michael looked weird and therefore it is quite possible that he was a child molester. Humans have evolved but in many ways we can still be very base in our thinking.

I am guilty of this. Someone is accused of something and I think "but he's so cute,why would he do that?" It is something I am working on.
 
MJPoetryFan;4262523 said:
Not sure if this theory was ever brought up as to one of the reason&#8217;s many were/are so willing to believe the allegations but I feel more were so willing to believe them is because they are &#8220;attractive&#8221;. Attractive people are more believed. Like look at that Michael dude from Germany? - his accusations are as weak as WR and JS&#8217;s. But he is more readily dismissed because, let&#8217;s be honest here, he&#8217;s not attractive. Thoughts?
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That guy is currently being investigated for fraud, so that's likely the reason why some are ignoring his claims.
 
As a nice conversation this morning has anyone been to Neverland, I don't mean inside but just up to the gates, I know people can leave msgs for Michael and I just wondered if anyone had, I have never been to USA but its on my list of things to do and Michaels home is one of the places I will be visiting. I can't even imagine just standing outside the gates
 
Off topic - the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein is going to be very interesting. A lot of powerful men may end up exposed in this.
 
TheChosenOne said:
There is a clear benefit to being attractive in life in general, so it is quite possible that the attractiveness of Robson and Safechuck is a factor in this case. Conversely, the fact that people thought/think that Michael looked weird and therefore it is quite possible that he was a child molester. Humans have evolved but in many ways we can still be very base in our thinking.

I am guilty of this. Someone is accused of something and I think "but he's so cute,why would he do that?" It is something I am working on.
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This. Absolutely. But I think it works more against Michael than it does in favour of his accusers. Ie. (and if you're easily offended please don't take this as me taking shots at Michael) Michael looked so strange at times in his latter years, the surgeries, the heavy make-up, the wigs, and the cultivating of a weirdness image...when there's an accusation of something negative that can't really be proved, people are going to make the connection a lot more easily because of all this. Ergo, he's so strange looking he MUST be guilty. It happens.

Alh21 said:
As a nice conversation this morning has anyone been to Neverland, I don't mean inside but just up to the gates, I know people can leave msgs for Michael and I just wondered if anyone had, I have never been to USA but its on my list of things to do and Michaels home is one of the places I will be visiting. I can't even imagine just standing outside the gates
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Even if you don't get inside the gates it's absolutely worth the trip. I did it myself and just being up in that beautiful spot was such a privilege. We went up there in the late evening sun and there was a real stillness, a real magic in the air. Like you can totally see why Michael loved the place...or even feel his spirit.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Off topic - the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein is going to be very interesting. A lot of powerful men may end up exposed in this.
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I agree. And look this man was given a "pass" and the media did NOT cover his case like they did MJ. And look the FBI even charged him. So to any nut who want to judge MJ, MJ had a 10 year investigation, if there was ANYTHING, MJ would have charges like this guy from the FEDS. And MJ was investigated far more than Epstein due to who MJ was.
 
ChrisC said:
This. Absolutely. But I think it works more against Michael than it does in favour of his accusers. Ie. (and if you're easily offended please don't take this as me taking shots at Michael) Michael looked so strange at times in his latter years, the surgeries, the heavy make-up, the wigs, and the cultivating of a weirdness image...when there's an accusation of something negative that can't really be proved, people are going to make the connection a lot more easily because of all this. Ergo, he's so strange looking he MUST be guilty. It happens.



Even if you don't get inside the gates it's absolutely worth the trip. I did it myself and just being up in that beautiful spot was such a privilege. We went up there in the late evening sun and there was a real stillness, a real magic in the air. Like you can totally see why Michael loved the place...or even feel his spirit.
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It sounds amazing, I hope I get to go but I've got to get through three years of university before then 😀, it's my plan to move to the US when I graduate, if that's possible. It makes me so sad to think that Michael did not move back there after the alligations were made against him, I know he lived that place and it sickens me to know that for someone else's greed he didn't feel like it was his home anymore, it's such a heartbreaking thing for him to go through.
 
TheChosenOne said:
Off topic - the arrest of Jeffrey Epstein is going to be very interesting. A lot of powerful men may end up exposed in this.
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Yep, and it's already getting interesting, in my opinion.

Apparently, an investigative journalist named Vicky Ward, wrote a profile piece about Epstein, for VANITY FAIR in 2003.

The magazine's editor at the time, Graydon Carter, cut out testimonies of 2 young women Epstein allegedly molested. The 2 women spoke to Vicky Ward, ON THE RECORD, but the editor removed that part of her article!! Just more proof as to how the powerful take care of their own.

My question: Didn't Maureen Orth write an article about MJ for VANITY FAIR back in the day? (I recall her writing about MJ, although I'm not positive as to which publication it was.)
 
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Big Apple NYC said:
Yep, and it's already getting interesting, in my opinion.

Apparently, an investigative journalist named Vicky Ward, wrote a profile piece about Epstein, for VANITY FAIR in 2003.

The magazine's editor at the time, Graydon Carter, cut out testimonies of 2 young women Epstein allegedly molested. The 2 women spoke to Vicky Ward, ON THE RECORD, but the editor removed that part of her article!! Just more proof as to how the powerful take care of their own.

My question: Didn't Maureen Orth write an article about MJ for VANITY FAIR back in the day? (I recall her writing about MJ, although I'm not positive as to which publication it was.)
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Yes, Maureen orth talked negative about MJ back then even came to the 2005 trial look like a cut weasel after the verdict. She even talked about LN. she is sick.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Netherlands just keeps on singing and dancing to <a href="https://twitter.com/michaeljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@michaeljackson</a> ‘s music ! <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tjjackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tjjackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tarylljackson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tarylljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/jermjackson5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@jermjackson5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/titojackson5?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@titojackson5</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BJackson82?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BJackson82</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendaRichie?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BrendaRichie</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@andjustice4some</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/cOzBGTVkft">pic.twitter.com/cOzBGTVkft</a></p>&mdash; Corné Klijn (@corneklijn) <a href="https://twitter.com/corneklijn/status/1148220628236791808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We should stop justifying and giving attention to individuals that were NEVER MJ supporters. We should be directing our concerns at media and news outlets.</p>&mdash; Bill Whitfield (@MJBODYGUARDS) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJBODYGUARDS/status/1148321017997041664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have conflicted feelings right now. A few weeks ago The Voice Australia very obviously muted out MJ's name in a clip but tonight Kelly Rowland and Zeek sang an MJ song, and brilliantly too I might add. Regardless, I had tears in my eyes!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://t.co/KzSWoBfKbp">pic.twitter.com/KzSWoBfKbp</a></p>&mdash; Chelle (@stormgirl83) <a href="https://twitter.com/stormgirl83/status/1147810789706698752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So the FBI immediately found evidence on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JeffreyEpstein?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JeffreyEpstein</a> during their raids. 12 years of searching and they found nothing on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> - strange... <a href="https://t.co/MAe27S1fpM">pic.twitter.com/MAe27S1fpM</a></p>&mdash; Michael Howarth (@mjh_music) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjh_music/status/1148489576878682112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">9. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yep. They always seem to leave that part out. <a href="https://t.co/eT6viXtyUn">https://t.co/eT6viXtyUn</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1148338605447766016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">8. Juli 2019</a></blockquote>
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Re Epstein - I think we are going to have to keep a close eye on this and ensure that we shoot down any comparison to Michael's case. I have heard R Kelly mentioned so far, but may only be a matter of time before they tag Michael.
 
I have just watched The man behind the dance, cried through most of it. Has anyone else seen this?, maybe it's just me but I was expecting a bit more for Michaels defence, don't get me wrong it was a lovely documentary and it was great to hear him talk about Michael with so much love and respect but I was hoping for a bit more tbh, did anyone else think the same? We all know that them 2 are just talking bull but I want the world to know the truth because I don't think I'll ever be able to settle until we can say, I told u so. At the end of it it was written that there is more to come, what does that mean, is there someone that is going to come forward with more info that is going to prove that MJ is innocent, I'm just a bit confused by that bit
 
TheChosenOne said:
Re Epstein - I think we are going to have to keep a close eye on this and ensure that we shoot down any comparison to Michael's case. I have heard R Kelly mentioned so far, but may only be a matter of time before they tag Michael.
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That is the thing. If they try to bother MJ to Epstein, it will really knock down what they say about MJ. MJ been investigated 10 years by the FBI, people were caught in lies, etc. MJ was the complete opposite. They can not have it both ways. And MJ was investigated far worst than Epstein and R Kelly due to who MJ was viewed.
 
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Alh21 said:
I have just watched The man behind the dance, cried through most of it. Has anyone else seen this?, maybe it's just me but I was expecting a bit more for Michaels defence, don't get me wrong it was a lovely documentary and it was great to hear him talk about Michael with so much love and respect but I was hoping for a bit more tbh, did anyone else think the same? We all know that them 2 are just talking bull but I want the world to know the truth because I don't think I'll ever be able to settle until we can say, I told u so. At the end of it it was written that there is more to come, what does that mean, is there someone that is going to come forward with more info that is going to prove that MJ is innocent, I'm just a bit confused by that bit
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I think it's lazily done, boring and a bit exploitative. That's not a shot at LaVelle, but the producers and director.
 
WildStyle said:
I think it's lazily done, boring and a bit exploitative. That's not a shot at LaVelle, but the producers and director.
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Yes I know what u mean, it wasn't what I was expecting and I was left feeling a little bit cheated, I see tatum oneil (Cba it check if I've spelt her name right), is spewing crap about MJ, it's so emotionally draining to see this stuff but I'm more convinced than ever that people are saying bad stuff to further their own career, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've seen her in the paper since she was pictured with Michael in the early 80s so why is she crawling out of the woodwork now, makes u wonder doesn't it
 
Alh21 said:
Yes I know what u mean, it wasn't what I was expecting and I was left feeling a little bit cheated, I see tatum oneil (Cba it check if I've spelt her name right), is spewing crap about MJ, it's so emotionally draining to see this stuff but I'm more convinced than ever that people are saying bad stuff to further their own career, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think I've seen her in the paper since she was pictured with Michael in the early 80s so why is she crawling out of the woodwork now, makes u wonder doesn't it
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She needs to have to seat. If she saw the liars, they said MJ did not like girls yet MJ had a "crush" on her. ANd she tried to get him to do things since she was wild but he wanted to go slow. That tell you about what kind of man MJ was. A PURE GENTLEMEN.
 
Alh21 said:
I have just watched The man behind the dance, cried through most of it. Has anyone else seen this?, maybe it's just me but I was expecting a bit more for Michaels defence, don't get me wrong it was a lovely documentary and it was great to hear him talk about Michael with so much love and respect but I was hoping for a bit more tbh, did anyone else think the same? We all know that them 2 are just talking bull but I want the world to know the truth because I don't think I'll ever be able to settle until we can say, I told u so. At the end of it it was written that there is more to come, what does that mean, is there someone that is going to come forward with more info that is going to prove that MJ is innocent, I'm just a bit confused by that bit
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LaVelle said he won't address the allegations directly. He just wants to show the 'real MJ'.

(He volunteered to be part of Taj's doc. though).
 
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She needs to have to seat. If she saw the liars, they said MJ did not like girls yet MJ had a "crush" on her. ANd she tried to get him to do things since she was wild but he wanted to go slow. That tell you about what kind of man MJ was. A PURE GENTLEMEN.
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Not according to what I read, she was saying it was him that wanted to do stuff and it was her that said no, she also says that she was only 12 at the time, don't know how true that is but it sounds to me like shes trying to say, yes the alligations could be true cause he tried it on with me at a young age
 
myosotis said:
LaVelle said he won't address the allegations directly. He just wants to show the 'real MJ'.
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That makes more sense now, thank u for explaining that, I did show the real MJ and it was so lovely to hear
 
Alh21 said:
Not according to what I read, she was saying it was him that wanted to do stuff and it was her that said no, she also says that she was only 12 at the time, don't know how true that is but it sounds to me like shes trying to say, yes the alligations could be true cause he tried it on with me at a young age
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No, it was the other way around. And look at Tatum's past/character. She was a WILD GIRL. Her daddy was Ryan Oneil. Do you hear or know anything about MJ using "gropies? NO. And lord know he could have if he was that kind of man. Enuf said. she just want something to say. Look at Stephanie Mills who loved MJ and really dated him. HE WAS A GENTLEMEN. And if u would have met MJ, He was a gentlemen.
 
i would really appreciate if we all ignored this tatum oneil bitch. lets not give her any attention. she wants the attention now because she has not received any since many years.
 
In my opinion, Tatum is looking for some attention and what better way then to jump on the MJ "bashing" train. She shot herself in the foot years ago and lost ALL credibility.

P.S. Apparently, she is also going after Meghan Markle, calling her actions at Wimbledon "tacky" and "upsetting." Looks like Tatum thinks she's an authority on EVERYTHING!!!!
 
terrell said:
No, it was the other way around. And look at Tatum's past/character. She was a WILD GIRL. Her daddy was Ryan Oneil. Do you hear or know anything about MJ using "gropies? NO. And lord know he could have if he was that kind of man. Enuf said. she just want something to say. Look at Stephanie Mills who loved MJ and really dated him. HE WAS A GENTLEMEN. And if u would have met MJ, He was a gentlemen.
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This is the link to what I read, I'm pretty sure she is saying that it was Michael who wanted more and she didn't https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/michael-jacksons-ex-tatum-oneal-17794054
 
Big Apple NYC said:
In my opinion, Tatum is looking for some attention and what better way then to jump on the MJ "bashing" train. She shot herself in the foot years ago and lost ALL credibility.

P.S. Apparently, she is also going after Meghan Markle, calling her actions at Wimbledon "tacky" and "upsetting." Looks like Tatum thinks she's an authority on EVERYTHING!!!!
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Yeah I would say that's what she is after, like I said she has just jumped on the band wagon along with the other idiots, another waste of space as far as I'm concerned
 
Big Apple NYC said:
In my opinion, Tatum is looking for some attention and what better way then to jump on the MJ "bashing" train. She shot herself in the foot years ago and lost ALL credibility.

P.S. Apparently, she is also going after Meghan Markle, calling her actions at Wimbledon "tacky" and "upsetting." Looks like Tatum thinks she's an authority on EVERYTHING!!!!
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MJ has not dealt with her in years. Looking for attention. Her record speaks for itself.
 
Remember her opinion doesn’t make the allegations any more truthful. This is just an opinion based on the performances of two liars. She’s just another celeb who was wowed by the graphic nature of their allegations. Having said that, it’s sad she is inclined to believe them. MJ has had to turn over in his “proverbial”grave so many times. I just don’t know how MJ would have been able to take all these turncoats. All this does for me is feel sorry for MJ.

Tatum’s opinion shouldn’t sway anyone. She didn’t know MJ for most of his adult life. It’s just her opinion based on the performances of the liars.
 
Big Apple NYC said:
In my opinion, Tatum is looking for some attention and what better way then to jump on the MJ "bashing" train. She shot herself in the foot years ago and lost ALL credibility.

P.S. Apparently, she is also going after Meghan Markle, calling her actions at Wimbledon "tacky" and "upsetting." Looks like Tatum thinks she's an authority on EVERYTHING!!!!
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I've just read this article as I wanted to know what was going on, who exactly is this old has been, how many movies did she make, was she in movies I don't even know tbh, don't get me wrong Megan isn't my favourite royal but she's a damn site better than that slapper in my opinion, what a waste of space she is
 
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