daisy you sound like a big Muray fan !!
When?????
Sorry girl that's the last thing you could tell about me
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daisy you sound like a big Muray fan !!
You generally give an IV bolus for induction, which is to put the person 'out' and then you follow up with a maintenance dose in an iv bag.
the fact that all the correct monitoring equipment was in the next room tells me he KNOWS he is supposed to use it. The fact that he KNEW that and decided NOT to use it that night (due to laziness or whatever) - THAT in itself is PREMEDITATION - he took a premeditated life threatening risk. That is not involuntary!!
Why can people on these boards figure all this stuff out and the police and lawyers dont seem to be able to?? it is sooooo frustrating!!!!!
You generally give an IV bolus for induction, which is to put the person 'out' and then you follow up with a maintenance dose in an iv bag.
Things don't add up for me either and I can't figure out the toxicology because I can't figure out if the Propofol in the urine is from that day or the night before. I would need to know the time it takes to reach the urinary bladder, etc. Murray said he didn't give it the night before and it looks like he did not but then again, I am not sure what their 'normal value' at 24 hours would be. According to the reports I read the level at 24 hours would be way higher than 0.15 if he had it the night before.
urine is produce at a rate 50ml/h , urine bladder was 550 , that means urine would have been produced within 11+ hours . then they trace the drugs and know how much and for how long before death he was getting drugs depending on its concentration in the urine .
Lorazepam of all the drugs is missing from URINE , I thought he was using it to wean mj off propofol , guess he was lying . the results don't lie , if he used it for three days, it would have been detected in MJ's urine ANOTHER BIG LIE , why did he then use it on that particular day ? what a fucking asshole
This isn't news and michael was fairly healthy that's why he looked fine. The dangerous tour was not 20 years prior.
The only thing I saw in regard to this was of the scars left over from the burn incident from the Pepsi commercial. Other than that I didn't see anything about cosmetic problems in trying to be perfect.
What Lupus?
MOEJACK I do not know how you came to these conclusions based on the same document I read. Michael was basically HEALTHY. His organs was basically healthy except for the lungs which would not cause death. We should not mix up the medications that were found in the house and those that were found in his body. Some of the medications found in the house were not being used everyday. We should be cautious when saying he was suffering from depression, etc. READING YOUR COMMENTS MADE ME THINK I WAS READING A TABLOID PAPER. I think you should be a little more cautious in your summations. No disrespect intended.
i thought most people had heard bout the lupus?!
urine is produce at a rate 50ml/h , urine bladder was 550 , that means urine would have been produced within 11+ hours . then they trace the drugs and know how much and for how long before death he was getting drugs depending on its concentration in the urine .
Lorazepam of all the drugs is missing from URINE , I thought he was using it to wean mj off propofol , guess he was lying . the results don't lie , if he used it for three days, it would have been detected in MJ's urine ANOTHER BIG LIE , why did he then use it on that particular day ? what a fucking asshole
you are correct most Michael fans do know about the Lupus......I dont know why some dont..maybe they dont know as much as they thought they did.
so by reading your post it sounds as if you believe Murray's story about him weaning Michael off of propofol.....and not only that why would you try to belittle Michael by saying he was found in urine....you are getting on my nerves...I thought the idea of this thread was try and understand the coronors report and not to belittle Michael.....also YOU should be pissed at Murray to....Ok. Lets back up to explain urine production first. Urine can be more or less. If you are severely dehydrated it can be less per hour. If you drink a 3L bottle of water and you only put out 550 you are going to blow up. In other words, the 550 was just the reserve in his bladder. We don't know how long it was there. Normal bladder capacity is somewhere between 400 to 600cc. The urinary bladder can normally hold 250 to 350cc of urine before the urge to void becomes conscious (there are other urine tests they can do to check the urine concentration, etc) I believe MJ had a problem with urinary retention due to enlarged prostate.
I thought he was using Midazolam/Versed to wean MJ off the Propofol. Lorazepam is Ativan. Midazolam WAS found in the urine. At least I know the concentration for that was pretty high (6.8) and I believe it would show up for 48-72 hours after.
By the way, you seem a little annoyed at Murray.
Murray told police he gave Michael propofol, lorazepam, and midazolam on the 22nd, and lorazepam and midazolam on the 23rd.I thought he was using Midazolam/Versed to wean MJ off the Propofol. Lorazepam is Ativan. Midazolam WAS found in the urine. At least I know the concentration for that was pretty high (6.8) and I believe it would show up for 48-72 hours after.
so by reading your post it sounds as if you believe Murray's story about him weaning Michael off of propofol.....and not only that why would you try to belittle Michael by saying he was found in urine....you are getting on my nerves...I thought the idea of this thread was try and understand the coronors report and not to belittle Michael.....also YOU should be pissed at Murray to....
Lol . I mean Michael never really mentioned it like he did vitiligo..what was like the source? I mean how did the fans know about it? Personally, I found out from Dr. Klein..well not personally lol, but on Larry King..
Murray told police he gave Michael propofol, lorazepam, and midazolam on the 22nd, and lorazepam and midazolam on the 23rd.
you try to belittle Michael by saying he was found in urine....you are getting on my nerves..
The night of the 24th to the morning of the 25th, Murray said he gave valium and two doses of midazolam and lorazepam each before the propofol.Wasn't this the 25th though? Then it matters the 22 and 23 if I am to backtrack.
that was not direct at you sorry......I heard it awhile ago in and interview he gave I dont have the link handy...yeah Kline sure does have away of giving us all of Michael's personal business doesn't he.....Michael beat him to it though..lol
Ok. Lets back up to explain urine production first. Urine can be more or less. If you are severely dehydrated it can be less per hour. If you drink a 3L bottle of water and you only put out 550 you are going to blow up. In other words, the 550 was just the reserve in his bladder. We don't know how long it was there. Normal bladder capacity is somewhere between 400 to 600cc. The urinary bladder can normally hold 250 to 350cc of urine before the urge to void becomes conscious (there are other urine tests they can do to check the urine concentration, etc) I believe MJ had a problem with urinary retention due to enlarged prostate.
I thought he was using Midazolam/Versed to wean MJ off the Propofol. Lorazepam is Ativan. Midazolam WAS found in the urine. At least I know the concentration for that was pretty high (6.8) and I believe it would show up for 48-72 hours after.
By the way, you seem a little annoyed at Murray.
Wasn't this the 25th though? Then it matters the 22 and 23 if I am to backtrack