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Did Invincible have too many songwriters?

Did Invincible have too many songwriters?

  • Yes

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • No

    Votes: 15 38.5%

  • Don't Know

    Votes: 10 25.6%
  • Total voters
    39
loka said:
listen these tracks

bass line used on the way you make me feel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hj8YcqKWEE

listen also Suicidal Tendencies song 'How Will I Laugh Tomorrow'...you will hear Give In To Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVr5RtEqpc0


released 2 years before Remember The Time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNUuDgI6vko

Zuchero : Il uolo...same Human Beat Box, same atmosphere than Stranger in Moscow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP5nAeh1ih4
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None of those songs resembles MJ's songs outside of GITM (that was very freaky) and the bass line of TWYMMF but that's about it. The songs as a whole are very different.

And that song doesn't resemble stranger in moscow in anyway.
 
ASIS said:
None of those songs resembles MJ's songs outside of GITM (that was very freaky) and the bass line of TWYMMF but that's about it. The songs as a whole are very different.

And that song doesn't resemble stranger in moscow in anyway.
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the human beat box used in Il Volo is the same....it's been confirmed in an interview with Porcaro...

In this song, you have the same guitar riff than in DS and the same Violins....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zqvhizpVLY
 
lucilla said:
I think we can't leave behind those songs MJ wrote with help of other people.

For me, those songs come from his own soul too.

For example, if you are a John Lennon fan, and you don't like McCartney, you can't take credits away of the songs John wrote with McCartney. Because they have his essence too.
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Whoa!!! way to hit the point on the head with a sledgehammer!! i bet nobody ever complains about that Beatles combination the way they do about MJ combos. rep points for that one.
 
As everybody know the bass line from "billie jean" comes from The Doors "riders of the storm"

I've got something new for you :

there's a lot of similarities between Bullshit of Grace Jones (1981) and Billie Jean too (listen the instrumentals parts of Bullshit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZsPrMvxzA


Solomon Burke was the Man behind "Can You Feel it"

listen here his title "sweeter than sweet"


http://oxfam.fairsharemusic.com/release/lucky-8

http://www.7digital.com/artists/solomon-burke/lucky/

ps : if you can't see the similarities between these tracks there's nothing more i can make
 
Shabuya said:
I'll give you the link, but then i'd have to use this :horsey: and this :western: 2 finish ya off and smart lil' me thinks u still need ur life. It's so special a radio station that it plays songs according to my whims and since i'm moodier worse than the weather as i have duly warned folks, u might be treadin' on extremely dangerous turf and you wouldn't want that. It's verrry hard to keep me entertained and focused on one thing for too long, as the peeps on the radio know; it takes a lllot of skill and courage to put up with my crazy behind lol.

Juuuust kiddin', don't mind that ramble. Unfortunately, it's not available, but it is true they play all of the songs from Invincible, which is indeed a wonderful surprise.
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lol..that was funny. i was actually starting to believe you didn't want to provide the link, so u could keep it to ur self...lol

drat. it's not available huh? just my luck.
 
this being said because of too much critics said against Invincible while the same can be do with previous MJ albums...
 
DuranDuran said:
That's ironic, because some people say those are the worst songs on the album.
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that's because those people don't know what they are talking about lol

I have to tell you, I was afraid to enter this thread because I am so used to the fans hating on Invincible (while I am absolutely in love with it) that I usually avoid the Invincible discussions altogther not to get upset. But this thread is really nice, you are giving the album the love it deserves! :clapping::punk:

I personally love Invincible and "Speechless" is not even a song, it's a whole spiritual experience. I can't even describe what I feel when I listen to it. It's so much more than just a song...

I don't know about producers, but if it was Michael's choice to work with them I trust his decisions completely. He doesn't sing it if he doesn't mean it, remember? :)
 
loka said:
As everybody know the bass line from "billie jean" comes from The Doors "riders of the storm"

I've got something new for you :

there's a lot of similarities between Bullshit of Grace Jones (1981) and Billie Jean too (listen the instrumentals parts of Bullshit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JZsPrMvxzA


Solomon Burke was the Man behind "Can You Feel it"

listen here his title "sweeter than sweet"


http://oxfam.fairsharemusic.com/release/lucky-8

http://www.7digital.com/artists/solomon-burke/lucky/

ps : if you can't see the similarities between these tracks there's nothing more i can make
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sure, bullshit may have similar beats, but there's way more to the architecture of a song than mechanics. and what MJ did with Billie Jean, makes similarities suddenly very different. and what Billie Jean does have that bullshit doesn't have, is what made Billie Jean appeal to soo many people, and bullshit did not. when it comes to songwriting, the spirit behind a song is the thing..not the mechanics. if we were to talk about mechanics, we might find a ton of songs that are similar...but since a song is a live thing, it can't be caged in mechanical discussion and be considered fair.

if bullshit was what you seem to be trying to convey, then it would have been the giant hit.

then there's the difference between this, and madonna coming up with Like A Virgin, after Michael came up with BIllie JEan. clearly you can hear Madonna trying to copy Michael, there. clearly, there, you can tell that Madonna basked in the glow of Billie Jean, then decided to try to mimick it, whereas, it's clear that Michael doesn't come across as having eyed or eared Grace Jones, and basked in the supposed glow of bullshit, and decided he would mimick it.

it's really about the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law..
IMO..
 
JMie said:
that's because those people don't know what they are talking about lol

I "Speechless" is not even a song, it's a whole spiritual experience.
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I'va always thought that Speechless is a Gospel Song...A song that can be sung in Church...
 
144 said:
sure, bullshit may have similar beats, but there's way more to the architecture of a song than mechanics. and what MJ did with Billie Jean, makes similarities suddenly very different. and what Billie Jean does have that bullshit doesn't have, is what made Billie Jean appeal to soo many people, and bullshit did not. when it comes to songwriting, the spirit behind a song is the thing..not the mechanics. if we were to talk about mechanics, we might find a ton of songs that are similar...but since a song is a live thing, it can't be caged in mechanical discussion and be considered fair.

if bullshit was what you seem to be trying to convey, then it would have been the giant hit.

then there's the difference between this, and madonna coming up with Like A Virgin, after Michael came up with BIllie JEan. clearly you can hear Madonna trying to copy Michael, there. clearly, there, you can tell that Madonna basked in the glow of Billie Jean, then decided to try to mimick it, whereas, it's clear that Michael doesn't come across as having eyed or eared Grace Jones, and basked in the supposed glow of bullshit, and decided he would mimick it.

it's really about the spirit of the law as opposed to the letter of the law..
IMO..
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that's the problem with the fans. According to them : "Some artists copy MJ but MJ never copy other artists"... I guess, it's the kind of things we can expect on the fans forums.
 
loka said:
that's the problem with the fans. According to them : "Some artists copy MJ but MJ never copy other artists"... I guess, it's the kind of things we can expect on the fans forums.
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not really. although we have that license as MJ fans..that's not what i'm doing.


you've never heard anyone distinguish between the spirit of something and the letter of something?

Billy Joel's 'Honesty' and Elton John's 'Goodbye Yellow Brick Road.'

neither artist copied the other. both artists admire each other, but yet, you can tell by listening to both songs, that one didn't copy the other. the spirit of each song was entertained, rather than one artist hearing the other and saying..hey..ima copy him. yet, mechanically there are similarities..yet, both songs are so different.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEUYGZ36mr8&feature=fvst


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuFScoO4tb0&ob=av2n

i respect both these artists but i'm not a fan of either of them.

the difference between a song coming to a writer out of the blue, while the artist wasn't paying attention to anyone...then, later, being surprised to discover that another artist already has mechanically similar sounds.....being inspired

vs.

listening to another artist, on purpose..saying 'i like that, let me write a song that sounds like that', and then going about trying to control your own actions, and literally sistting down at your instrument, and copying your idea from what you just heard....copying from another artist.
 
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