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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

seany said:
This will pass eventually.
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No, it won't. 1993 and 2003-2005 never passed. This is going to be even worse, I fear. Wade knows exactly what to say to sound plausible. I'm sure he's done his research. We as fans know the details and know his claims don't add up, but the general public will always have doubts. This is just another blow to Michael's reputation and it may be the fatal one. Prepare for more "victims" to come out of the woodwork. Many people have the mentality of "where there's smoke, there's fire". They don't care enough to actually investigate the accusations, they just read the headlines. This will never go away, it will be a permanent stain on Michael's legacy. And you best believe the media are going to milk this for all it's worth. They have no motive to side with Michael. Michael is dead, he's not going to provide them with any more soundbites. He's not here to defend himself - how convenient. Besides, people love scandals. People love to believe the worst about others, especially when it concerns celebrities. It turns my stomach to see Wade talk about himself as a victim and a survivor, and to see people sending him and his sister supportive messages. There is only one victim here and it's Michael Jackson.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

seany said:
This will pass eventually.
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I'm afraid it won't. Let's not be naive. MJ has a horrible reputation with many people, and this won't help, and it won't go away.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ i dont think it even matters to them if this goes to court. Its a smear campaign against Michael. Ofcourse there will be ppl. Like in the past who will judge him(they never really stopped judging him), and this "thing" will take it to as far as hes told to do. Theres nothing we can do about that but from our end, we will defend Michael like we did in the past and more.

Michael said "the truth will be my salvation"... And it will this time and in the future too...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

TMZ will soon publish a statement by Debbie Rowe.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm sorry to be so negative but I'm just trying to be realistic. We can all tell ourselves that this is no big deal and won't do any damage in the long term, but we'll only be fooling ourselves. This could have far greater impact than the Chandler and Arviso cases. This is a man who knew Michael closely for 20 years, who speaks openly about the "abuse" he suffered, who knows how to communicate and get people's sympathy, who has made a name for himself in the entertainment industry, and who has a decent chance of winning a civil trial against Michael due to the low burden of proof that is required. To hear him talk about MJ so viciously is devastating. I honestly can't wrap my head around it; can people really be this cruel and heartless? MJ said he had seen the worst of human nature and I believe him.

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

he is being ripped by pretty much everyone on the main news sites, very few buy his claims , even yahoo with the most rate of haters is overwhelmingly on mj's side
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
TMZ will soon publish a statement by Debbie Rowe.
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did you hear that on tmz live ?

Tmz and Debbie in the same sentence sound weird to me.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Guys, TMZ had a phone-convo with Debbie!! I dont know how to embed the video here.. so I guess you have to go to TMZ to hear what she has to say but TMZ did cover her phone message word by word in their article below so you wont miss out if you dont wanna go on their site.

Edit: Debbie sounds really sad in that phone-message.


DEBBIE ROWE
Wade Robson's a
PUBLICITY-SEEKING OPPORTUNIST

Debbie Rowe doesn't believe for one minute that her ex-husband, Michael Jackson, molested Wade Robson, telling TMZ the latest accuser will not blemish the memory of MJ.

Rowe -- reacting to Robson's appearance on "Today" and the 2 legal claims he's filed in court, tells TMZ:

"I was angered that Wade Robson reversed his sworn testimony from court in 2005, and now claims to be a victim of sexual abuse."

Rowe goes on ... "His publicity-seeking attempt is opportunistic and just oozes falseness."

Robson claims Jackson molested him for 7 years -- between the ages of 7 and 14, although he squarely denied it when he took the stand as Jackson's star witness in the 2005 molestation trial.

Rowe tells us, "It will be quickly forgotten, and will do nothing, nothing to tarnish Michael's extraordinary legacy."

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/debbi...ing-opportunist-sexual-abuse-michael-jackson/
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

the haters are so upset by the support MJ is getting they can't believe " 98% of posters supports child molestation" lol
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Soundmind said:
he is being ripped by pretty much everyone on the main news sites, very few buy his claims , even yahoo with the most rate of haters is overwhelmingly on mj's side
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I'm glad to hear that. I wonder how many of those on MJ's side are fans, though. I know fans are very active in defending MJ online right now and that's great. I'm doing my part!

By the way, I was watching the Graham Norton show this morning (love that show! :)) and some man named Lord Sugar was on (never heard of him). Anyway, something he said at 13:20 instantly reminded me of MJ and I loved the audience's reaction:

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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From much of the media reaction in the US I was under the impression that some actually understood that perhaps, just perhaps, there was a structure to these claims in regards to Michael. That perhaps is slightly way too weird for a massive defender to suddenly accuse a dead man...

I'm not a Matt Lauer fan (I wanted to mute the man so much displaying his ignorance during the coverage of the Olympics...yikes, talk about the image of the "loud American"...) - but even that Today wasn't the superwin for Robson either. Lauer flat out said "So you lied..." to Robson. Perhaps that was his best at 'professional neutrality' - wasn't awesome in any way, but wasn't horrendous either.

Some people are actually starting to wonder if perhaps Michael indeed was the victim of strange claims - Robson's odd claims could actually help in a sense "see, all the other claims were just as outlandish - do you see the money grabbing pattern?".

And parents such as myself do have many interesting emotions when our children are born. We suddenly write living wills, wills, set up savings accounts and life insurance and ask the ones we trust if they are okay to be names as guardians should anything ever happen to us.
Filing creditor claims on our mentors is typically not among those things.

New parents do indeed go trough many emotions in the first few years - down to experiencing parenthood and even making peace with ourselves.
And as a parent I actually not only feel for Michael 3 children, but also for Murray's children. I think of all children. That's what upsets me about Robson's mentioning of his son. Demanding of someone's children to pay up is odd to say the least.

Again, there's no generalizing and no two abuse victims are ever alike. However in the light of unproven allegations and the entire sage here - it is allowed to wonder about Robson's motive.
And I don't understand how his attorneys are not physically restraining him to appear on another talkshow - filing sealed and running your mouth won't work for long.
The timeline will sooner or later emerge and MJ fans will be happy to dissect it. They must dread for the details to emerge, so they schedule one appearance after the other to throw out some doubt, never revealing any detail.
When Robson simply repeated Lauer's same exact words not to give his 'leverage' away - that's when I knew, if I ever needed to know.

If you've seen abuse advocacy, you feel crept out by 'advocacy' on gossip shows. And that's why sad - a media campaign is being called 'advocacy', "This is brought to you by the Center for Advocacy" when in reality it's just a media campaign for their case. And that is what REALLY upsets me.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Barbara Walters is not an MJ's fan nor is Sharon Osbourne
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wow, when even Harvey Levin says this!

Harvey Levin: "This is about money. That's the only reason you file a creditors claim. It's all about money."

Nicole Richie's mother:

Brenda Harvey Richie ?@BrendaRichie 9m
I just watched the Today Show! What a crock of BS fr Wade! Speaking as a Professional in Social Work, that interview was totally rehearsed
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Soundmind said:
he is being ripped by pretty much everyone on the main news sites, very few buy his claims , even yahoo with the most rate of haters is overwhelmingly on mj's side
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Mark the calendar!! Yahoo trolls are not buying it??? :beach:
After Barbara Walters not buying it either - I've seen a lot today.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks you guys for all the updates on folks not buying this. I was really worried that with the tv appearances, folks would start buying this turncoat's story.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm glad to see that the MAJORITY of opinions that I've come across on the awful Internet have been that they don't believe WR and his ludicrous claims.

What I am thinking is that he is sitting back taking note of what people are saying, and use that information and turn it into "his truth" again and make anther spin on things to go in his favour.

As far as I'm concerned, this guy will be shown for what he really is quite soon.

"You just want your cut from me, but 2 BAD, 2 BAD!!!"
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm glad to see that even the media/general public is sceptical of Wade's claims. But I'm still worried, because the media usually supports the side which keeps feeding them with info. And I'm sure Wade will play the media - he already started it today. So I don't know how long before the media starts supporting him more. And then they can influence public opinion too.


On the other hand, I kind of hope that this is a sign that Wade badly miscalculated himself. People DO side-eye him for the fact that it's the complete opposite of what he's claimed for 20 years, for the fact he's filing for money and I think that people may find distasteful that he's accusing a dead man who can't defend himself, when he had plenty of opportunity to accuse him when he was alive. Also in the previous cases the alleged victims were still children, but Wade's an adult and maybe, just maybe it makes it easier for the media to be critical of him.
 
Note: Debbie as in Deborah Kunesh who owns the 'Reflections of the dance" website.

https://www.facebook.com/deborahkunesh?hc_location=stream
Statement from David Nordahl, a friend of Michael Jackson for over 20 years, on these new allegations:

Hi Debbie -

I was at the ranch when Wade and his mother were there. He was a happy kid and his mother was always there.

I suspect this is just another case of attempted extortion. Wade has a family now and I suspect that he needs the MONEY. I think he saw the immense wealth in the Michael estate and his mouth watered. Michael is no longer here to defend himself.

I was around Michael many times in the presence of children. Michael had a great respect for all people and especially children. He would NEVER have harmed a child — physically or psychologically. ~ David Nordahl, friend of Michael Jackson for 20 years
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It makes me so sad for Michael. Another betrayal but this time he cannot see it. I just hope his kids are doing okay. It makes me cry. Michael cannot defend himself so we have to do it for him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder what kind of world WR wants his son to grow up in
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
in the previous cases the alleged victims were still children, but Wade's an adult and maybe, just maybe it makes it easier for the media to be critical of him.
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I agree. And Wade was an adult when he defended Michael on the stand in 2005. In my opinion, him saying now that he "never forgot" just blew his "repressed memory" claim out the window.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Vici said:
Guys, TMZ had a phone-convo with Debbie!! I dont know how to embed the video here.. so I guess you have to go to TMZ to hear what she has to say but TMZ did cover her phone message word by word in their article below so you wont miss out if you dont wanna go on their site.

Edit: Debbie sounds really sad in that phone-message.


DEBBIE ROWE
Wade Robson's a
PUBLICITY-SEEKING OPPORTUNIST

Debbie Rowe doesn't believe for one minute that her ex-husband, Michael Jackson, molested Wade Robson, telling TMZ the latest accuser will not blemish the memory of MJ.

Rowe -- reacting to Robson's appearance on "Today" and the 2 legal claims he's filed in court, tells TMZ:

"I was angered that Wade Robson reversed his sworn testimony from court in 2005, and now claims to be a victim of sexual abuse."

Rowe goes on ... "His publicity-seeking attempt is opportunistic and just oozes falseness."

Robson claims Jackson molested him for 7 years -- between the ages of 7 and 14, although he squarely denied it when he took the stand as Jackson's star witness in the 2005 molestation trial.

Rowe tells us, "It will be quickly forgotten, and will do nothing, nothing to tarnish Michael's extraordinary legacy."

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/debbi...ing-opportunist-sexual-abuse-michael-jackson/
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You can you hear the actual audio of her speaking. She sounded really upset, too. Like she was about to cry :(

Debbie is a true friend. Thank you for speaking up for Mike!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Just look at the headline of TMZ Live

"TMZ LIVE
Something Doesn't Add Up with Robson's Abuse Claim

Wade Robson says he NEVER forgot any of the sexual abuse Michael Jackson allegedly committed -- yet, he didn't cop to any sexual abuse while testifying in court. Is this a huge hole in his 'Today' interview, or do you believe him now?


They are not buying it
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MIST said:
I wonder what kind of world WR wants his son to grow up in
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Whatever world it is he wants it to be, his son will grow with an immense shame of his father.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

no one buys it unless they want to hate on Mike. even those who are supporting him claim the police found child pornography in MJ's house , no one educated on the case would ever support this liar
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MsCassieMollie said:
You can you hear the actual audio of her speaking. She sounded really upset, too. Like she was about to cry :(

Debbie is a true friend. Thank you for speaking up for Mike!
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I imagine she has talked to Paris who is probably really upset over this :(
But definitely kudos to Debbie for speaking out in Michael's defense. I like how so many years after their divorce she is still so loyal to him.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If this is what we have to go through to get people to finally see the things Michael was put through than so be it. I don't like it at all but if people start thinking and research then good. Michael may not be here to raise his voice and defend himself so now WE are his voice. We must defend him with fact. We will stand by him because fact is on his side.
 
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