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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"I think secretly and privately, really deep within, there's a destiny for me. I've had strong feelings for films, that something's directing me in that way for motion pictures, musicals and drama, that whole thing, to choreograph the films as well, even get into writing the pictures and doing the music."
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Michael Jackson, 1980, when asked about his plans for the next 10 years.

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/rocks-...-michael-jackson-via-little-sister-janet.html


I don't think Wade was independent on Michael, no way, but Michael certainly was a big influence for him. He wanted to do everything Michael wanted to do.

I think Wade probably has a kind of burn-out in the entertainment industry and like Michael he realized that he lost his childhood to entertainment. He needs a scapegoat and instead of his mother, who really was the one who pushed him (Michael encouraged him, but did not push him the way his mother did) he puts the blame on Michael in order to give a pass to his mother. I think he resents Michael now, but not because he molested him (because he didn't), but because he came to resent the entertainment industry and with it Michael. Couple it with the mental illness he apparently has. But he cannot sue Michael for encouraging him as a child, so enter child molestation allegations which is the easiest way to sue MJ since the stigma is on him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think he's motivated by money nothing else. He had lived a luxurious life most of his life since there's no longer interest in him in Hollywood and he can't maintain the same lifestyle he resorted to accuse MJ.
 
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Sure, money is definitely one of his motives. I'm not sure if there was no interest in him in Hollywood any more. I think it's rather that he has some mental illness (maybe running in his family) that makes him erratic and unreliable. That's at least what this thing with him about signing up to projects then suddenly pulling out of them indicates. In a way, it's right to say though that if it goes on for long then it certainly ruins his reputation in the industry and after a while he surely won't get any jobs. He probably realized that, so he's trying to go ahead of it. Also probably it feels better to him if he can blame someone else.
 
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respect77 said:
Sure, money is definitely one of his motives. I'm not sure if there was no interest in him in Hollywood any more. I think it's rather that he has some mental illness (maybe running in his family) that makes him erratic and unreliable. That's at least what this thing with him about signing up to projects then suddenly pulling out of them indicates. In a way, it's right to say though that if it goes on for long then it certainly ruins his reputation in the industry and after a while he surely won't get any jobs. He probably realized that, so he's trying to go ahead of it. Also probably it feels better to him if he can blame someone else.
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I had no idea about this, it puts a new perspective on things. At least you can see what motivates his wrongdoing.
 
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So are we saying that Wade forget to take his med's for his mental illness and that's why he has gone the course of falsely accusing a world wide phenomenon, like Michael Jackson, sort of like hitching yourself to a star for recognition because of a fantasy world of living in a world of delusions of grandeur?

I'm not buying that for one minute. He ain't playing that sympathy card to justify his evil intentions of destroying on someone's good name. Wade needs to be held accountable for his actions. The bottom line is his talent is no longer viable and perhaps, since he is not that old, yet, he needs to go back to school and get a degree or develop a skill to feed himself and his family. Bottom line and get off this gravy train that the Chandler's took, along with the Arvizo's. Enough with the lying.
 
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Are you stopping this slander now wade? Please see what it does. Are you sick ? If you are sick.. Get help I shall pray for you but please Don't be like those evil ones .Please don't lie about Michael :(
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson is trying really, really hard to collect brownie points that he can present to the jury if it goes to court. He started an Adult Survivors of Child Abuse group in Hawaii:

Our meetings follow the ASCA (Adult Survivors of Child Abuse) format (www.ascasupport.org). To quote the Survivor to Thriver manual: 'The purpose of ASCA meetings is to allow survivors to share their abuse and recovery experiences, to receive support and affirmation for their recovery efforts; to try out new, more adaptive behaviors and, in so doing, to better understand themselves and their recovery process.' This is a peer support group, not a therapy group and is for abuse survivors only.
For more info about ASCA http://www.ascasupport.org/faqs.php
The environment is safe and private and the hour follows an organized structure which allows for us survivors to share, whenever we are ready to, with no pressure.
I am a survivor myself and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.

We ask for a voluntary donation of $5 per meeting in order to help cover costs such as the space rental fee and materials. This is a VOLUNTARY donation and is not mandatory.
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http://www.meetup.com/ascawailuku/

How could he believe he was the only one when MJ has been very publicly accused of this by others since 1993?

His posturing and taking advantage of real abuse victims by attaching himself to them just makes me wanna throw up.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And he is asking for money
 
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When you do stuff like this for free that is browning points. But when you ask for money that is greed and taken advantage. Kind of like filing a claim saying you were abused and can't work. Instead of speaking out money be damned
 
I am a survivor myself and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that pain


Doesn&#8217;t all of this kind of contradict I did not know it was abuse until 2012?<o:p></o:p>
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Justthefacts said:
And he is asking for money
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To be honest I don't think you can get rich from that, but I think he's doing it for brownie points and also to get ideas from real abuse victims' stories. If it goes to court I expect that he will drag a lot of these abuse victims he befriends through such groups and leaders of such groups to court to talk highly of him and to support him. It's all emotional manipulation through which he attempts to win this case. If only those abuse victims knew they are being used so that Wade can get rich....

He seems to throw everything that he hears about typical abuse stories in there without even thinking deep about whether it would make sense in the context of his alleged case. How could feeling he was the only one apply to his case when his alleged abuser was very publicly accused of this by others since 1993? He's feeling very sorry for himself, yet he never expressed feeling sorry for Gavin whose case he messed up with what now he alleges was a false testimony by him. He felt isolation, pain and struggle? How come, when he first realized it was wrong in 2012? He was in pain, struggle and isolation, yet that did not stop him from voluntarily defending and praising his alleged abuser and testifying for him in court. Nor did it stop him from paying visits to him in Las Vegas in 2008. Nor did it stop him from staging tributes to him. This isolation, pain and struggle did not turn into a confession when MJ was on trial in 2005, nor when he was first publicly accused in 1993. No, it only turns into a "confession" when this allegation is attached to a multi-million dollar monetary demand. Whatever Wade.
 
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Even if you don't get rich Once you start asking for money your motivesbecome clear. And again by thatstatement you can see that he wants people to forget how he defended Michaeland how he cried at Michael's funeral how he had Michael in his home and brokebread with him. Sorry Wade we have notforgotten and neither has Howard Weitzman
 
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respect77 said:
To be honest I don't think you can get rich from that, but I think he's doing it for brownie points and also to get ideas from real abuse victims' stories. If it goes to court I expect that he will drag a lot of these abuse victims he befriends through such groups and leaders of such groups to court to talk highly of him and to support him. It's all emotional manipulation through which he attempts to win this case. If only those abuse victims knew they are being used so that Wade can get rich....

He seems to throw everything that he hears about typical abuse stories in there without even thinking deep about whether it would make sense in the context of his alleged case. How could feeling he was the only one apply to his case when his alleged abuser was very publicly accused of this by others since 1993? He's feeling very sorry for himself, yet he never expressed feeling sorry for Gavin whose case he messed up with what now he alleges was a false testimony by him. He felt isolation, pain and struggle? How come, when he first realized it was wrong in 2012? He was in pain, struggle and isolation, yet that did not stop him from voluntarily defending and praising his alleged abuser and testifying for him in court. Nor did it stop him from paying visits to him in Las Vegas in 2008. Nor did it stop him from staging tributes to him. This isolation, pain and struggle did not turn into a confession when MJ was on trial in 2005, nor when he was first publicly accused in 1993. No, it only turns into a "confession" when this allegation is attached to a multi-million dollar monetary demand. Whatever Wade.
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And I also wanted to point out all of what you said would be consistant of someone who held it in for years. Who knew they were abused but never said anything. Not with Wade Roberson
 
Bottom line is when the DA asked him questions in 2005 if MJ touched him etc he could have said yes since he didnt know/think it was wrong. Since in his world that "behaviour" was the norm he could have said "yes, he touched me, thats normal" but he said nothïng bad ever happened.

He goes on with that nonsenese that he didnt realize it was wrong but here is Michael Jackson accused in trial sooo it never crossed his mind that it was actually wrong? ughhh i cant stand him.

he is a fool!!!
 
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and when will this be over??? its been 9 months since the story was first published.
 
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It just makes me sad. :cry: what makes it worth it to drag his name through the dirt? my guess is he had the idea to do it for a while, but his conscience couldn't take doing it while michael was still around. people make me sad. poor sweet mikey.
 
Justthefacts;3960292 said:
I am a survivor myself and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that pain


Doesn’t all of this kind of contradict I did not know it was abuse until 2012?<o:p></o:p>
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True.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Michael seems such a gentle , caring and almost naive soul I just can't ever we wrap my head around him doing something so awful to anyone and pretending it was okay. How can u be such a genius and not know this behaviour is wrong. I say Wade is posturing, in the hopes of eventually getting the general public to come around to his manipulations. I was date raped years ago at sixteen y/o and I don't appreciate anyone pretending something happened to them that didn't for attention or money .I wouldn't wish what happened to me on anyone. He will have no good luck in life with this sick shyt he's doing.
 
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respect77 said:
He's feeling very sorry for himself, yet he never expressed feeling sorry for Gavin whose case he messed up with what now he alleges was a false testimony by him.
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I agree. He gets up on the stand in a court of law defending his so-called "abuser". He makes another "victim" look like a liar to the jury. And now he wants to switch sides for free-and-clear cash? Please.
 
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I am more convinced than ever that Wade is mentally ill. For him to act like he was the only one toever accuse Michael of child abuse is stomach churning. Because you know what even if you believe him. You took the stand and let your abuser get away with abusing a boy because you say you did not know it was wrong. But now you want to act like you suffered alone for years holding in this awful secret and that you have finally been freed. Man, **** you, even if you have mental issues you know right from wrong. Howthe dare he?
 
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Justthefacts said:
I am more convinced than ever that Wade is mentally ill. For him to act like he was the only one toever accuse Michael of child abuse is stomach churning. Because you know what even if you believe him. You took the stand and let your abuser get away with abusing a boy because you say you did not know it was wrong. But now you want to act like you suffered alone for years holding in this awful secret and that you have finally been freed. Man, **** you, even if you have mental issues you know right from wrong. Howthe dare he?
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I think it's a combination of mental illness and greed. Obviously, someone who's had two breakdowns in quick succession is not a mentally healthy person. Well, if that part is true. But I can believe it to be true, because his father was bipolar (manic depressive in other words) and people who have mental illness running in their family are more prone to it. But I think he knows what he's doing and that he's doing it for the money. His mental illness plays a part in that that he's extremely entitled, egomaniac and someone without basic human empathy (does not think or care about what his accusation does to three oprhaned children, for example). His mental illness may also be the reason why he is unable to work any more, because it makes him erratic and get out of projects before time, and he realized that with that mentall illness he doesn't have much future any more in showbiz, so he's trying to secure his family's future financially in this despisable way.
 
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"Lies run sprints, truth runs marathons" FACT
 
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respect77 said:
Wade Robson is trying really, really hard to collect brownie points that he can present to the jury if it goes to court. He started an Adult Survivors of Child Abuse group in Hawaii:




http://www.meetup.com/ascawailuku/

How could he believe he was the only one when MJ has been very publicly accused of this by others since 1993?

His posturing and taking advantage of real abuse victims by attaching himself to them just makes me wanna throw up.
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Respect we talked before about how Wade was doing this in order to collect some more victim "stories." Remember he needs some scenarios for his story and he needs to learn how to express emotion when he retells his experiences. He also wants to show the judge that he was so traumatized that he went to a group in the Mainland and opened a group himself to help other victims. All this, from Wade's point of view, is to show that he is a "real victim" who suffered and was abused.

What pisses me off with Wade is that I meet real victims and there is a different way they talk about their experiences, even those who have gone through therapy. Of course everyone is different, but there is something in their faces, tone, movement of the body, the way the eyes shift away and back to you, etc., that shows this memory, experience, & remembering it was painful. They never seem to tell the whole story outright. You have to ask a question here and there to get the full picture. Last week I was talking to this 49-year old grandmother who was raped at 8 by the mom's brother. He lived in the house, and raped her whenever the parents went out in the night, which was regular. She started to take a "shot" of liquor whenever the parents went out to dim her senses when the uncle raped her. The child was already developed and had her periods already. He covered her mouth, removed her from the bedroom where her brothers were also sleeping, and took her away to the living room. Her mom never believed her and told her she was enticing him. (How an 8-year-old could do that, I have no idea.) Then, the grandmother's daughter was raped at 14 by 2 18-year olds who visited the home when no adults were around. The daughter is now 21 and does not want to talk about it. So these are real people who went through sexual abuse and there are many like them, who are nothing like Wade. I even met the Male ones too, that is boys who were sexually abused, and a lot of these problems occur inside the house where the child lived. So Wade is collecting these people so he can have their experiences as his own.

I don't think he will get enough $5.00 to keep that group afloat unless rent is cheap where he lives. He will continue these behaviors until the case in June.
 
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^ Yes, I agree Petrarose. His way of talking is robotic and totally textbook talk with textbook expressions and textbook scenarios - that's because he obviously created his story with the help of textbooks. His constant reminder of how he's such a typical victim and his behavior is so typical is so off too. I mean when you are a real victim you aren't bothered to remind your audience of how typical you are when you are telling your story. It's all too emotional for real victims to be bothered with such things.

I agree that besides the brownie points he's doing it because it gives him an opportunity to fine-tune his story by getting ideas from real abuse stories, by observing how real victims behave, talk etc. I took a look at this ASCA group and these group meetings are about people telling their stories to one another, nothing else. The participants aren't allowed to psychoanalyze each other or give their opinions about each other's stories, just listening to each other. So yeah, it's perfect for Wade to collect stories and to observe how real victims behave and tell their stories.
 
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^^Exactly. It is a pity we can't find out these people's stories and then cross-check them with Wade's. Another thing Respect have you noticed how the victims you encounter always have regular everyday experiences. I mean, the abuser never do things like kidnap them in a hot air balloon, call them constantly to role play when the abuser is in a high profile situation. It is always regular stories like cornering you in a room or area in the house or a building, and the abuser tends to do things when you are private with him. With Michael's victims, Michael is a public abuser--he showers with a kid with the bedroom door wide open so the maid can come in and see. Michael's victims read too many super hero comic books.

I wonder if the estate would be able to get any bodyguards to verify the dates when Wade starts his story. They will have to make sure Michael was at home at the time or Michael & Wade were together at that time. Hopefully a bodyguard can help. I wonder who Wade's witnesses will be, except for that maid whose evidence was destroyed by TMez's cross. What I am hoping is that if this gets to court, he can find a way to drag Chandler to court and then we can have someone like Mez really get into Chandler. However, the way Chandler hid the last time, I guess he will hide again.

Obviously Wade will bring in the therapists who dealt with his breakdowns and his psychologist. I am sure the estate will have their own experts to show just how suspect Wade's therapists analyses are. I hope they go into how this guy always knew but did not understand or was unwilling to. I hope they tie in this claim with his mental illness.
 
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Petrarose said:
I wonder if the estate would be able to get any bodyguards to verify the dates when Wade starts his story. They will have to make sure Michael was at home at the time or Michael & Wade were together at that time. Hopefully a bodyguard can help. I wonder who Wade's witnesses will be, except for that maid whose evidence was destroyed by TMez's cross. What I am hoping is that if this gets to court, he can find a way to drag Chandler to court and then we can have someone like Mez really get into Chandler. However, the way Chandler hid the last time, I guess he will hide again.
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There were plenty of occasions when Michael was alone with Wade, so there will be no witnesses refuting that. It was never denied by Michael that Wade slept in his room, this was discussed in court in 2005. But in 2005 Wade said nothing ever happened and now he changed his story. So Wade can claim anything about that now, it will eventually come down to whether the jury finds him credible putting everything together.

I don't think Wade will be able to drag the Chandlers to court. If they were fighting tooth and nail against having to testify in 2005 in a criminal trial, they will not testify now either only to help Wade make money. They know their allegations would be torn to pieces if they would ever go up on that stand.

Obviously Wade will bring in the therapists who dealt with his breakdowns and his psychologist. I am sure the estate will have their own experts to show just how suspect Wade's therapists analyses are. I hope they go into how this guy always knew but did not understand or was unwilling to. I hope they tie in this claim with his mental illness.
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In his lawsuit he says he never mentioned his alleged abuse to his first therapist after his breakdown. So it will be interesting to hear why he changed therapist and what he told his to first and what he told to his second therapist.
 
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Respect I know Wade was with Michael, but I was thinking more along the lines of when Wade tells his story and the date, that the bodyguard can say whether both were together at that time. You know we had stories of Michael being with a "victim" and then we find out he was somewhere else entirely.
 
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Since Wade has a lot of dates that he can confidently claim to have spent with MJ alone (and those were discussed at the 2005 trial) I can't a reason for him to invent dates. There are ways to discredit Wade's allegations but this is not one of them.
 
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^Well we don't know yet because we have not seen his complete details with times/days/places yet. Sure there are other ways to discredit him, but I will accept all ways to discredit Wade.
 
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