[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

when it comes to child molestation any scenario,regardless of how bizarre it is , would be explained as "typical victim behaviour" so don't expect much from the judge.
. Not to any good thinking person. Even when Wade came out with this last year, more people ignored him and did not believe (still do not believe him). Again, only the same haters who use MJ to make money off these lies were the only ones talking. Believe me, if ANYONE for one moment really thought MJ abused a child, MJ would NOT be celebrated in the manner in which he did. Look at Mike Tyson. He as accused of rape and went to jail; however, many folks knew it was a lie even some of jurors said they made a mistake and felt that girl lied because she slept with Tyson and he did not give her what she wanted and she claimed she was rape. Look at TYson. He is celebrated. Again, when people REALLY believed you hurt someone with rape and child molestion, they are not going to celebrate you no matter who you are. Again, we let the comments of a few haters who have something to gain. I will say it again, NO Entertainer would have sold out 50 shows if he/she was not loved.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also anyone who says they believe Wade are not saying it because they care about the safety of children. They are saying it because they are blatant Michael Jackson haters. They don't care about justice, all they care about is bashing Michael
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also anyone who says they believe Wade are not saying it because they care about the safety of children. They are saying it because they are blatant Michael Jackson haters. They don't care about justice, all they care about is bashing Michael

Yeah, the more they care about bashing Michael, the more stupid they become. Feeding on poison like it was a poisoned apple they've been feeding on.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In his declaration he says he did not think he was abused, he thought he was a consent participant who was fine with it. Also:

Quote:

"In March 2012, I had my second and final nervous breakdown which again included feelings of extreme stress, anxiety, fear and depression. I would look at my son and imagine him experiencing the sexual acts I did with Doe 1 - which I did not yet equate with being sexually abused - and, for the first time in my life, I wondered if I needed to talk to someone about what Doe 1 and I "did together". I knew that I truly had no idea how I felt about it. I still thought that once I spoke to someone about it, I would be fine. In mid-April 2012, I began therapy with [blanked out] until May 8, 2012. On or about that day I first spoke to [blanked out] - and began to recognize for the first time myself - that Doe 1 had molested me. [Blanked out] was the first person I had ever told, ever. This realization initiated an enormous emotional, psychological, and physiological upheaval in my life that continues to this day."​


Yet on that abuse victim support group website he says he felt pain, isolation and struggle:

Quote:
I am a survivor myself and a certified facilitator of this ASCA support group. I attended one of these groups for months in the mainland and found that it added a profound level of healing to my journey. To be with a group of adults that I shared so much in common with, previously believing that I was the only one that felt that pain, isolation and struggle, was an experience that effected me immensely. I am excited to bring this healing experience to my fellow survivors of Maui.​


So again, which one is it?

And does the quote from his declaration mean that he was in therapy for it like for three weeks? (mid-April to 8 May, 2012)?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree. Honestly, outside of Michael's forums and certain places, I have heard nothing about Wade. In fact, I had to tell my family about this, who are big fans, and they knew nothing about this supposed new allegations. In fact, I did not learn about it until I return to the forums, months after Wade made his television debut, so that tells you how much this news has spread.

Wade is a terrible 'messenger' since he got in front of a court of law, swore on the Bible, and said nothing happened to him. At age 22 and given all the attention that the 2005 trial brought, it takes a very gullible person to believe that Wade didn't know something bad happened to him.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is a terrible 'messenger' since he got in front of a court of law, swore on the Bible, and said nothing happened to him. At age 22 and given all the attention that the 2005 trial brought, it takes a very gullible person to believe that Wade didn't know something bad happened to him.

Exactly that's why no one believes or gives much attention to what Wade is saying. We have a grown man who defended MJ twice under oath is making accusations years after MJ's death. Everyone asking why now and to majority it looks like an ulterior motive. And yes a grown man who had a fiancee (at the time of 2005 trial) doesn't know what is sexual and what is not and even more doesn't know what consent is. Unbelievable from many aspects.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I will admit that I do let the negativity get to me at times. It's just hard. I felt like maybe we were moving past this. I know there are some people out there that will always think the worst of Michael and they don't want to hear or listen to anything. Just plain ignorant. Then to see somebody who testified on Michael's behalf and saw first hand how devastating this was for him to use this against him now is hard to understand. I didn't know Michael but I could see by the end of the trial he was a shell of himself. He looked devastated by it all and not someone who hurt people. That wasn't him. To put his kids through this now is just evil to me and unforgiveable.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I will admit that I do let the negativity get to me at times. It's just hard. I felt like maybe we were moving past this. I know there are some people out there that will always think the worst of Michael and they don't want to hear or listen to anything. Just plain ignorant. Then to see somebody who testified on Michael's behalf and saw first hand how devastating this was for him to use this against him now is hard to understand. I didn't know Michael but I could see by the end of the trial he was a shell of himself. He looked devastated by it all and not someone who hurt people. That wasn't him. To put his kids through this now is just evil to me and unforgiveable.

It is absolutely unforgivable! To me Wade is the lowest of them all. At least Jordan and Gavin have the excuse that they were kids when their parents made them create those lies. Of course, that's not much of an excuse when you are already an adult and still fail to set the record straight - at least publicly (my firm conviction is that Jordan told it was a lie at least to people near him, based on those people's behavior and attitude to MJ). But it's still somewhat "better" than pulling this as an adult, after having been "friends" with the guy for more than 20 years. Out of greed and pride. There is just no excuse for that. I'm no religious person but in the Bible Judas was portrayed as one of the worst, if not the worst person. In Dante's Inferno traitors are in the deepest and worst place of Hell. The betrayal of a friend who has been good to you is considered one of the most morally corrupt things, if not THE most morally corrupt thing, one can pull.

And yes, Robson is the real child abuser - doing this to orphaned children of whom one almost killed herself, at least partly because of the bullying she recieved because of his allegations. Oprhaned children who have nothing left of their father but his memory - and he's trying to smear that memory out of pride and greed. I really despise Robson.

Now it's clear the Robsons never really loved Michael. They just used him. Now he cannot be used in one way any more so they try use him in another way. Why oh why did Michael attract the scum of the Earth so much?
 
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I see the WR news thread is closed...wasn't sure where else to put this.....

Michael Jackson Molestation Accuser Trying To Force Late Pop Star’s Estate To Spill Sex Secrets

The dancer/choreographer who has accused Michael Jackson of molesting him from age seven is attempting to force the late pop star’s estate to turn over all records which could have logged sexual abuse claims against him, RadarOnline.com has learned.

Wade Robson, who testified in support of Jackson in the singer’s 2005 sex abuse trial but has since recanted, has claimed Jackson allegedly made his move on him he was just seven years of age — as his sister slept in another bed just feet away at Neverland Ranch in Santa Barbara, Calif.

The abuse allegedly continued unabated for another two weeks and from then on, for a period of seven years.

In a series of legal letters filed as part of Robson’s creditor’s claim, lawyers for the Australian man, now 30, argue they should have access to all records of claims against Jackson for “childhood sexual abuse, sexual molestation, sexual battery, battery, seduction, willful misconduct, intentional infliction of emotional distress, fraud negligence and negligent infliction of emotional distress.”

Robson is also seeking information “regarding the relationship between Mr. Jackson and Claimant [Robson], Mr. Jackson’s bedroom privacy system, Claimant’s involvement with Mr. Jackson’s music and videos and Mr. Jackson’s guidance of Claimant in preparation for his testimony in the [Jordan] Chandler investigation and then again in the 2005 criminal trial.”

They also seek information regarding “communication between Mr. Jackson and the Robson family, the Robson family’s emigration to the United States, Mr. Jackson’s sexual activities with minors, claims/lawsuits against Mr. Jackson for battery, seduction, willful misconduct, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence and negligent infliction of emotional distress and claims/lawsuits against both Mr. Jackson and the Estate for sexual molestation, sexual battery and fraud.”

However, the Estate is resisting the attempts, arguing that is too broad in scope and vague.

Howard Weitzmna, the Estate’s lawyer, claimed it would cost millions of dollars in legal fees to turn over the cache of information that Robson seeks.

Before any discovery or evidence is turned over to Robson, a hearing will be held in May to determine if Robson’s claim against Michael Jackson’s Estate should proceed, because the deadline to file has long since passed.

Jackson was twice accused of sexual assault.
In the summer of 1993, Jackson was accused of child sexual abuse by a 13-year-old boy named Jordan Chandler and his father, Dr. Evan Chandler, a dentist. Though he later settled the case out of court for $22 million, Jackson’s lawyers later stated it was done without his consent.

Ten years after the initial claim, Jackson was arrested and charged with seven counts of child molestation and two counts of administering an intoxicating agent in relation to the 13-year old boy. He was acquitted on all counts after a five-month trial.

http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...-trying-to-force-estate-to-spill-sex-secrets/
 
^ I guess that means they did not find any other supporting alleged "victim". LOL.

I can help them out on these. Besides the known cases they will have the likes of Daniel Kapon and Joseph Bartucci. Good luck with those!

And what's up with this?

Robson is also seeking information “regarding the relationship between Mr. Jackson and Claimant [Robson], Mr. Jackson’s bedroom privacy system, Claimant’s involvement with Mr. Jackson’s music and videos and Mr. Jackson’s guidance of Claimant in preparation for his testimony in the [Jordan] Chandler investigation and then again in the 2005 criminal trial.”

They also seek information regarding “communication between Mr. Jackson and the Robson family, the Robson family’s emigration to the United States, Mr. Jackson’s sexual activities with minors, claims/lawsuits against Mr. Jackson for battery, seduction, willful misconduct, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligence and negligent infliction of emotional distress and claims/lawsuits against both Mr. Jackson and the Estate for sexual molestation, sexual battery and fraud.”

They are seeking information about that from MJ's side? Why not from his own mother? And that Michael "guided" him in his testimony is his freaking claim! Why does he want information about that from the Estate?
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He wants info on any nutcase that accused Michael. A scare tactic that won't work and does nothing to hide the fact he got caught in a lie.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wish he would leave Michael alone. I cannot stand this sorry.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And again he is accusing them of help Michael coach him and molest children.
 
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He wants info on any nutcase that accused Michael. A scare tactic that won't work and does nothing to hide the fact he got caught in a lie.

Yes, it looks like scare tactic because why do they already ask for that info when it has not even been decided yet if the case would go ahead:

Before any discovery or evidence is turned over to Robson, a hearing will be held in May to determine if Robson’s claim against Michael Jackson’s Estate should proceed, because the deadline to file has long since passed.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Radar Online, their story is way more detailed in makes way more sense then TMZ's story. Again as I stated before he is accusing Michael of criminal behavior he is also IMO accusing people like Weitzman, Branca, andb McClain of helping Michael cover it up. Think about it why would they even have what he is asking for?
 
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Those demands are absurd and ridiculous. There is nothing else out there, and obviously no other "victims" have come forward, like they were hoping for.

They are bluffing - hoping the extremely wealthy estate pays him off just to make him go away.
 
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Radar Online, their story is way more detailed in makes way more sense then TMZ's story. Again as I stated before he is accusing Michael of criminal behavior he is also IMO accusing people like Weitzman, Branca, andb McClain of helping Michael cover it up. Think about it why would they even have what he is asking for?

He wants to maximise his chances for money, that's why. In fact, in one of those Internet comment sections his cousin said this:

There
is also many people who knew what Michael was doing, and potentially
facilitated it because he was making them money, who are still alive,
and still profiting from Michael's estate. People for example who
organised for Wade to come from Australia to America, and other children
like Wade.

I don't have anger for Michael, he had a very
troubled life (although it doesn't excuse what he did). But there was
people around Michael who at the very least turned a blind eye, and
those are the people that make me very upset

So yeah, they are clearly targeting Branca and Co. personally as well, claiming not only that MJ molested him, but that Branca and Co. knew about it and that they knowingly faciliated it. No wonder since these people are the keepers of Michael's money. How convenient that the people with money are the main culprits in his little story. Meanwhile he does not say a beep about his own mother's responsibility. He's angry with Branca and Co. for allegedly enabling it, but not with his mother, who almost chased down Michael and kept bugging him about taking them to the US from Australia. Very transparent.

(Actually, it's in one of the prosecution's documents from 2005 that Orietta Murdock who was a PA of Michael's at the time, told prosecutors about how Joy Robson would call every day from Australia bugging Michael about taking them to the US...)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

There's going to come a time when he and his lawyers are going to have to say it
 
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I don't understand - why are they even asking for these type documents now before a judge has even ruled this case eligible to go forward????? It's so old there is a good chance it's going to get dismissed anyway, so I don't understand the premature requests?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Delusional Wade is going to get nowhere fishing for evidence of sexual abuse because there simply is none lol.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Desperate attempt to keep this BS in the public eye! They (Wade and his lawyers) know damn well u can't ask for that type of info and expect to actually get it when there's not even a decision for this to go forward in a trial from a judge yet!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Desperate attempt to keep this BS in the public eye! They (Wade and his lawyers) know damn well u can't ask for that type of info and expect to actually get it when there's not even a decision for this to go forward in a trial from a judge yet!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is up with the estates latest response? They make it sound like mj had done it or somethin like that
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is up with the estates latest response? They make it sound like mj had done it or somethin like that

Yeah, they make it seem that they have "evidence" and they are hiding it but obviously we all know nothing exists.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is up with the estates latest response? They make it sound like mj had done it or somethin like that

Hmmm... that's not how I interpreted it. I think they just aren't going to elaborate or comment on anything right now. They don't have to. The judge hasn't even given this case the green light to move forward.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is up with the estates latest response? They make it sound like mj had done it or somethin like that

Yeah, they make it seem that they have "evidence" and they are hiding it but obviously we all know nothing exists.

at least for settlements there's a few settlements including Chandler one and Francia. Most probably they are confidential and privileged. Regardless that's a tactic to use to oppose any discovery request.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Desperate attempt to keep this BS in the public eye! They (Wade and his lawyers) know damn well u can't ask for that type of info and expect to actually get it when there's not even a decision for this to go forward in a trial from a judge yet!
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

what is up with the estates latest response? They make it sound like mj had done it or somethin like that

It's common legal language and common way to oppose such requests. Of course, Radar Online won't explain that...
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

And that Michael "guided" him in his testimony is his freaking claim!

If I remember correct Wade wrote in his declaration that MJ coached him over the phone on what to say in his testimony. Yeah right lol!

First of all, there is no way to prove this ever happened (and it didnt). Second of all, since Sneddon was on a mission to take MJ down Im sure he had tapped every kind of communication MJ was handling. How stupid would someone be to coach another person over the phone during a highly publicized criminal investigation with knowing that a) their phone can be tapped and b) they have no clue who else is listening on the other side.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If I remember correct Wade wrote in his declaration that MJ coached him over the phone on what to say in his testimony. Yeah right lol!

First of all, there is no way to prove this ever happened (and it didnt). Second of all, since Sneddon was on a mission to take MJ down Im sure he had tapped every kind of communication MJ was handling. How stupid would someone be to coach another person over the phone during a highly publicized criminal investigation with knowing that a) their phone can be tapped and b) they have no clue who else is listening on the other side.

Wade claims Michael coached him both in 1993 and 2005. He basically claims in his lawsuit that Michael's "brainwashing" had the exact same effect on him at the age of 22 as when he was 11. So he is ready to even seem retarded to get to the money he wants...

He says this:

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How does it make sense that supposedly you both know the guy molested you, you believe it to be "love", yet your alleged abuser calls it lies that people make up about you? And instead of love he calls it a disgusting sexual stuff. Yet it still never occurs to you as a 22-year-old that something is wrong with that?
 
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